Re: F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 06:37:38 - "Johannes Lips" wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:17:08 +1000 > > Peter Hutterer > > > > > Yeah, I have never seen that here. > > > > Can you perhaps provide the information Oliver is asking for in the > > bug? > I've just tried libinput again and it seems to be working without any > problems. Don't know what then was the problem. Sorry for the noise! Cool. It might have been a bug in an older version, since fixed? In any case, thanks for testing it. kevin pgpQ4TAxZEfZ_.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:17:08 +1000 > Peter Hutterer > > Yeah, I have never seen that here. > > Can you perhaps provide the information Oliver is asking for in the bug? I've just tried libinput again and it seems to be working without any problems. Don't know what then was the problem. Sorry for the noise! johannes > > kevin ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:17:08 +1000 Peter Hutterer wrote: > On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 08:16:21PM -, Johannes Lips wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 10:08:29 +0200 > > > Johannes Lips > > > > > > > > Can you expand on how/what didn't work here? > > > > > > I've been using it here with Xfce just fine since support was > > > added... no particular problems here. > > Hi Kevin, > > I think I was affected by this bug, basically natural scrolling was > > different across the gtk toolkits. > > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11193 > > that sounds... odd. when libinput enables natural scrolling, the > scroll events coming out of the driver are already inverted. The > toolkits don't get a say in that and it should be completely > transparent anyway. Yeah, I have never seen that here. Can you perhaps provide the information Oliver is asking for in the bug? kevin pgpvdf5QB4gMS.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 01:24:22AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jan Kurik wrote: > > - Affected packages: mate-desktop, cinnamon-desktop > > For what it's worth, while it is not a hard runtime dependency (nor even > listed as a soft dependency in the package) because libinput is also > supported, the kcm_touchpad in plasma-desktop is much more functional with > the synaptics driver (and this is not likely to change any time soon, given > that libinput just removed most of the settings). So this change will also > affect some Plasma users, though not necessarily in a bad way (as the intent > is to make it easier to install the driver when wanted). > > plasma-desktop also requires xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-devel (in particular, > the header, for constant definitions) at build > time, is that package name going to change? I was planning to leave the -devel package name as-is, I don't think renaming it provides any benefit. Cheers, Peter ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
Jan Kurik wrote: > - Affected packages: mate-desktop, cinnamon-desktop For what it's worth, while it is not a hard runtime dependency (nor even listed as a soft dependency in the package) because libinput is also supported, the kcm_touchpad in plasma-desktop is much more functional with the synaptics driver (and this is not likely to change any time soon, given that libinput just removed most of the settings). So this change will also affect some Plasma users, though not necessarily in a bad way (as the intent is to make it easier to install the driver when wanted). plasma-desktop also requires xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-devel (in particular, the header, for constant definitions) at build time, is that package name going to change? Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 08:16:21PM -, Johannes Lips wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 10:08:29 +0200 > > Johannes Lips > > > > > Can you expand on how/what didn't work here? > > > > I've been using it here with Xfce just fine since support was added... > > no particular problems here. > Hi Kevin, > I think I was affected by this bug, basically natural scrolling was different > across the gtk toolkits. > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11193 that sounds... odd. when libinput enables natural scrolling, the scroll events coming out of the driver are already inverted. The toolkits don't get a say in that and it should be completely transparent anyway. Cheers, Peter ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 10:08:29 +0200 > Johannes Lips > > Can you expand on how/what didn't work here? > > I've been using it here with Xfce just fine since support was added... > no particular problems here. Hi Kevin, I think I was affected by this bug, basically natural scrolling was different across the gtk toolkits. https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11193 johannes > > kevin ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 10:08:29 +0200 Johannes Lips wrote: > Afaik Xfce is also affected. I tried to switch to libinput and it did > not really work well, especially the combination of Gtk3 and Gtk2. Can you expand on how/what didn't work here? I've been using it here with Xfce just fine since support was added... no particular problems here. kevin pgpbh8gYOiLEi.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
On 20.10.2016 08:39, Jan Kurik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireSynapticsDriver Change owner(s): * Peter Hutterer Retire the xorg-x11-drv-synaptics driver and remove it from user's install. == Detailed Description == xorg-x11-drv-synaptics has been the main X.Org touchpad driver for over a decade. Since Fedora 22, it has been superseded by xorg-x11-drv-libinput which aims to provide a better touchpad experience. The only way to assign X.Org drivers is via the xorg.conf.d configuration system which is based on config file sort order. e.g. evdev sorts as 10-evdev.conf, synaptics as 70-synaptics.conf, etc. Whichever sorts last is assigned as driver for a device. Fedora 22 and later shipped with libinput's config file sorting higher than all other drivers to overwrite any previous matches. Some users prefer the synaptics driver over libinput. This requires the users to install the driver and then place a custom config snippet or, more commonly, symlink to the synaptics config snippets with a name that has a higher sort order than xorg-x11-drv-libinput. The aim of this change is to ensure that the synaptics driver can simply be installed when required without any further user configuration. When installed, it should be assigned as the preferred driver over xorg-x11-drv-libinput. For historical reasons, a vast majority of users have the synaptics driver installed, especially those updating from older releases. We want to a) remove the xorg-x11-drv-synaptics driver from a user's machine but b) make it possible to install where required. == Scope == * Proposal owners: - xorg-x11-drv-synaptics must be removed from comps (complete as of F25) - xorg-x11-drivers must not include xorg-x11-drv-synaptics (complete as of F25) - the X server needs to support a fallback input driver. This ensures that when an xorg.conf snippet assigns the synaptics driver but that driver is missing, the user still has a working touchpad. Complete as of xorg-x11-server-1.18.4-5 - xorg-x11-drv-synaptics will get a subpackage xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-legacy containing the actual driver - xorg-x11-drv-libinput will obsolete/provide the current xorg-x11-drv-synaptics version * Other developers: - packages that currently require xorg-x11-drv-synaptics need to revisit and either require the new subpackage or drop the requirement - Affected packages: mate-desktop, cinnamon-desktop Afaik Xfce is also affected. I tried to switch to libinput and it did not really work well, especially the combination of Gtk3 and Gtk2. - Johannes * Release engineering: Nothing required, the RE changes are complete as of F25 * Policies and guidelines: No update needed * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
F26 System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver
= Proposed System Wide Change: Retire Synaptics Driver = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireSynapticsDriver Change owner(s): * Peter Hutterer Retire the xorg-x11-drv-synaptics driver and remove it from user's install. == Detailed Description == xorg-x11-drv-synaptics has been the main X.Org touchpad driver for over a decade. Since Fedora 22, it has been superseded by xorg-x11-drv-libinput which aims to provide a better touchpad experience. The only way to assign X.Org drivers is via the xorg.conf.d configuration system which is based on config file sort order. e.g. evdev sorts as 10-evdev.conf, synaptics as 70-synaptics.conf, etc. Whichever sorts last is assigned as driver for a device. Fedora 22 and later shipped with libinput's config file sorting higher than all other drivers to overwrite any previous matches. Some users prefer the synaptics driver over libinput. This requires the users to install the driver and then place a custom config snippet or, more commonly, symlink to the synaptics config snippets with a name that has a higher sort order than xorg-x11-drv-libinput. The aim of this change is to ensure that the synaptics driver can simply be installed when required without any further user configuration. When installed, it should be assigned as the preferred driver over xorg-x11-drv-libinput. For historical reasons, a vast majority of users have the synaptics driver installed, especially those updating from older releases. We want to a) remove the xorg-x11-drv-synaptics driver from a user's machine but b) make it possible to install where required. == Scope == * Proposal owners: - xorg-x11-drv-synaptics must be removed from comps (complete as of F25) - xorg-x11-drivers must not include xorg-x11-drv-synaptics (complete as of F25) - the X server needs to support a fallback input driver. This ensures that when an xorg.conf snippet assigns the synaptics driver but that driver is missing, the user still has a working touchpad. Complete as of xorg-x11-server-1.18.4-5 - xorg-x11-drv-synaptics will get a subpackage xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-legacy containing the actual driver - xorg-x11-drv-libinput will obsolete/provide the current xorg-x11-drv-synaptics version * Other developers: - packages that currently require xorg-x11-drv-synaptics need to revisit and either require the new subpackage or drop the requirement - Affected packages: mate-desktop, cinnamon-desktop * Release engineering: Nothing required, the RE changes are complete as of F25 * Policies and guidelines: No update needed * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) -- Jan Kuřík Platform & Fedora Program Manager Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
