F39 proposal: libsoup 3: Part two (System-Wide Change proposal)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/libsoup_3:_Part_Two This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. == Summary == libsoup 3 is a new API version of libsoup that provides support for HTTP/2. We will remove libsoup 2 and all packages that still depend on it. == Owner == * Name: [[User:catanzaro|Michael Catanzaro]] * Email: == Detailed Description == [[Changes/libsoup_3:_Part_One|We previously introduced libsoup 3 to Fedora 37.]] Because applications will crash on startup if linked to both libsoup 2 and libsoup 3 at the same time, and because many libraries depend on libsoup, and because applications therefore have limited control over which libsoup they link to transitively, this transition was quite tricky and caused several serious problems during the Fedora 37 development cycle. Fortunately, the trickiest part of the migration to libsoup 3 is now behind us. The next step is to remove libsoup 2 from Fedora. We propose to do this for Fedora 39. This should happen sooner rather than later because libsoup is a security-sensitive networking library and maintaining an old version in Fedora indefinitely is inadvisable. We know from experience that a deadline will be required in order to ensure applications and libraries make the transition; otherwise, we will wind up maintaining libsoup 2 indefinitely. Removing libsoup 2 from Fedora 38 seems too soon: applications need a little more time to smoothly transition. Accordingly, we propose to remove libsoup 2 from Fedora 39. The package will be retired in rawhide shortly after Fedora 38 is branched in February 2023. At this point, all packages that still depend on it will break in rawhide. This rest of the year will be available to fix broken packages before Fedora 39 is released to users in October 2023. This will likely cause some temporary problems and force some compromises. E.g. we may have to drop software like ABRT or geoclue from composes if not ported in time. == Benefit to Fedora == Removing libsoup 2 ensures Fedora does not package an obsolete version of a security-sensitive networking library. It will also eliminate the possibility of linkage conflicts between libsoup 2 and libsoup 3, which have been extremely annoying during the Fedora 37 development cycle and will continue to plague us during Fedora 38 development. == Scope == * Proposal owners: we will ensure the package is retired * Other developers: software must be ported from libsoup 2 to libsoup 3. This may require substantial upstream effort. * Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10985 #10985] * Policies and guidelines: no new policies needed * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Alignment with Objectives: no alignment with objectives == Upgrade/compatibility impact == Software that still depends on libsoup 2 will break. == How To Test == Fortunately not much testing is needed. The main challenge of the transition to libsoup 3 was testing applications to ensure they do not crash on startup due to libsoup 2 vs. libsoup 3 conflicts. Such conflicts will no longer occur once this change is implemented, because libsoup 2 won't exist anymore. Of course, it's also good to test applications to ensure they still work properly after being ported to libsoup 3. == User Experience == Applications that use libsoup 3 will support HTTP/2, which multiplexes multiple HTTP requests over a single connection. Users may notice significant performance improvements. == Dependencies == $ dnf repoquery --whatdepends libsoup --latest-limit 1 --arch 'noarch,x86_64' --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo=rawhide Fedora - Rawhide - Developmental packages for t 18 MB/s | 64 MB 00:03 Last metadata expiration check: 0:00:15 ago on Tue 23 Aug 2022 11:17:32 AM CDT. abrt-retrace-client-0:2.15.1-4.fc37.x86_64 badwolf-0:1.2.2-3.fc37.x86_64 bookworm-0:1.1.3-0.8.20200414git.c7c3643.fc37.x86_64 cawbird-0:1.4.2-4.fc37.x86_64 cinnamon-0:5.4.11-1.fc38.x86_64 claws-mail-plugins-fancy-0:4.1.0-5.fc37.x86_64 claws-mail-plugins-gdata-0:4.1.0-5.fc37.x86_64 coin-0:1.3.0-7.fc37.x86_64 cutter-0:1.2.7-7.fc37.x86_64 darktable-0:4.0.0-3.fc37.x86_64 dino-0:0.3.0-4.fc37.x86_64 dleyna-renderer-0:0.6.0-15.fc37.x86_64 dleyna-server-0:0.6.0-14.fc37.x86_64 dmapd-0:0.0.91-4.fc37.x86_64 elementary-calendar-0:6.1.1-1.fc37.x86_64 elementary-code-0:6.2.0-2.fc37.x86_64 elementary-mail-0:6.4.0-1.fc36.x86_64 elementary-photos-0:2.7.5-2.fc37.x86_64 elementary-planner-1:3.0.7-1.fc37.x86_64 elementary-tasks-0:6.3.0-1.fc37.x86_64 emacs-1:28.1-3.fc37.x86_64 ephemeral-0:7.1.0-4.fc37.x86_64 exfalso-0:4.5.0-3.fc37.noarch flatpak-builder-0:1.2.2-4.fc37.x86_64 fondo-0:1.6.1-3.fc37.x86_64 frogr-0:1.6-5.fc35.x86_64 gajim-0:1.4.7-1.fc37.noarch
F39 proposal: libsoup 3: Part two (System-Wide Change proposal)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/libsoup_3:_Part_Two This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. == Summary == libsoup 3 is a new API version of libsoup that provides support for HTTP/2. We will remove libsoup 2 and all packages that still depend on it. == Owner == * Name: [[User:catanzaro|Michael Catanzaro]] * Email: == Detailed Description == [[Changes/libsoup_3:_Part_One|We previously introduced libsoup 3 to Fedora 37.]] Because applications will crash on startup if linked to both libsoup 2 and libsoup 3 at the same time, and because many libraries depend on libsoup, and because applications therefore have limited control over which libsoup they link to transitively, this transition was quite tricky and caused several serious problems during the Fedora 37 development cycle. Fortunately, the trickiest part of the migration to libsoup 3 is now behind us. The next step is to remove libsoup 2 from Fedora. We propose to do this for Fedora 39. This should happen sooner rather than later because libsoup is a security-sensitive networking library and maintaining an old version in Fedora indefinitely is inadvisable. We know from experience that a deadline will be required in order to ensure applications and libraries make the transition; otherwise, we will wind up maintaining libsoup 2 indefinitely. Removing libsoup 2 from Fedora 38 seems too soon: applications need a little more time to smoothly transition. Accordingly, we propose to remove libsoup 2 from Fedora 39. The package will be retired in rawhide shortly after Fedora 38 is branched in February 2023. At this point, all packages that still depend on it will break in rawhide. This rest of the year will be available to fix broken packages before Fedora 39 is released to users in October 2023. This will likely cause some temporary problems and force some compromises. E.g. we may have to drop software like ABRT or geoclue from composes if not ported in time. == Benefit to Fedora == Removing libsoup 2 ensures Fedora does not package an obsolete version of a security-sensitive networking library. It will also eliminate the possibility of linkage conflicts between libsoup 2 and libsoup 3, which have been extremely annoying during the Fedora 37 development cycle and will continue to plague us during Fedora 38 development. == Scope == * Proposal owners: we will ensure the package is retired * Other developers: software must be ported from libsoup 2 to libsoup 3. This may require substantial upstream effort. * Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10985 #10985] * Policies and guidelines: no new policies needed * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Alignment with Objectives: no alignment with objectives == Upgrade/compatibility impact == Software that still depends on libsoup 2 will break. == How To Test == Fortunately not much testing is needed. The main challenge of the transition to libsoup 3 was testing applications to ensure they do not crash on startup due to libsoup 2 vs. libsoup 3 conflicts. Such conflicts will no longer occur once this change is implemented, because libsoup 2 won't exist anymore. Of course, it's also good to test applications to ensure they still work properly after being ported to libsoup 3. == User Experience == Applications that use libsoup 3 will support HTTP/2, which multiplexes multiple HTTP requests over a single connection. Users may notice significant performance improvements. == Dependencies == $ dnf repoquery --whatdepends libsoup --latest-limit 1 --arch 'noarch,x86_64' --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo=rawhide Fedora - Rawhide - Developmental packages for t 18 MB/s | 64 MB 00:03 Last metadata expiration check: 0:00:15 ago on Tue 23 Aug 2022 11:17:32 AM CDT. abrt-retrace-client-0:2.15.1-4.fc37.x86_64 badwolf-0:1.2.2-3.fc37.x86_64 bookworm-0:1.1.3-0.8.20200414git.c7c3643.fc37.x86_64 cawbird-0:1.4.2-4.fc37.x86_64 cinnamon-0:5.4.11-1.fc38.x86_64 claws-mail-plugins-fancy-0:4.1.0-5.fc37.x86_64 claws-mail-plugins-gdata-0:4.1.0-5.fc37.x86_64 coin-0:1.3.0-7.fc37.x86_64 cutter-0:1.2.7-7.fc37.x86_64 darktable-0:4.0.0-3.fc37.x86_64 dino-0:0.3.0-4.fc37.x86_64 dleyna-renderer-0:0.6.0-15.fc37.x86_64 dleyna-server-0:0.6.0-14.fc37.x86_64 dmapd-0:0.0.91-4.fc37.x86_64 elementary-calendar-0:6.1.1-1.fc37.x86_64 elementary-code-0:6.2.0-2.fc37.x86_64 elementary-mail-0:6.4.0-1.fc36.x86_64 elementary-photos-0:2.7.5-2.fc37.x86_64 elementary-planner-1:3.0.7-1.fc37.x86_64 elementary-tasks-0:6.3.0-1.fc37.x86_64 emacs-1:28.1-3.fc37.x86_64 ephemeral-0:7.1.0-4.fc37.x86_64 exfalso-0:4.5.0-3.fc37.noarch flatpak-builder-0:1.2.2-4.fc37.x86_64 fondo-0:1.6.1-3.fc37.x86_64 frogr-0:1.6-5.fc35.x86_64 gajim-0:1.4.7-1.fc37.noarch
