Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 08:38:37AM +1000, David Beveridge wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: I'm remoting my VMs using X11 :-) Mainly because I don't want to be running a whole desktop environment anywhere except on my local laptop. How do you do installs? Using whatever virt-install defaults to (VNC unless you use the '--graphics spice' option). It is possible to do completely headless installs using kickstarts however. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Fedora Windows cross-compiler. Compile Windows programs, test, and build Windows installers. Over 100 libraries supported. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MinGW -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On 30.05.2013 23:59, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:23:52AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 15:53 +0200, poma wrote: On 30.05.2013 14:16, Martin Holec wrote: Are you tired of using VNC? Nope. Do you have any issues with VNC? It's slow, doesn't have as good guest integration as Spice, and misses lots of spice's advanced features... I'm remoting my VMs using X11 :-) Mainly because I don't want to be running a whole desktop environment anywhere except on my local laptop. In addition to your method, 'qemu-kvm -sdl' is only able to produce Could not initialize SDL(No available video device) - exiting despite guidance at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Virtualization_problems#SDL_Graphics Ta ta ta ta. poma -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On 05/30/2013 11:23 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 15:53 +0200, poma wrote: On 30.05.2013 14:16, Martin Holec wrote: Are you tired of using VNC? Nope. Do you have any issues with VNC? It's slow, doesn't have as good guest integration as Spice, and misses lots of spice's advanced features... Can Spice be used to connect to an already running Gnome desktop for remote support purposes? The docs I looked at talked about using Spice for virtualization and or setting up remote login, but nothing like VNC/Vino for connecting to someone else's desktop... -- Nathanael d. Noblet t 403.875.4613 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 04:20:00PM +0200, poma wrote: In addition to your method, 'qemu-kvm -sdl' is only able to produce Could not initialize SDL(No available video device) - exiting despite guidance at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Virtualization_problems#SDL_Graphics This might be a bug, or it might be that you don't have a video device available (are you running this at the text console or over ssh?) SDL works pretty reliably for me though, but if you can't get it to work you should file a bug with detailed information about versions and how to reproduce it. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-top is 'top' for virtual machines. Tiny program with many powerful monitoring features, net stats, disk stats, logging, etc. http://people.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-top -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On 30.05.2013 21:30, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 20:15 +0200, poma wrote: On 30.05.2013 19:23, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 15:53 +0200, poma wrote: On 30.05.2013 14:16, Martin Holec wrote: Are you tired of using VNC? Nope. Do you have any issues with VNC? It's slow, doesn't have as good guest integration as Spice, and misses lots of spice's advanced features... In this respect, is there a comparison study and where? Don't know if there's spice vs. VNC study exactly, but there's some useful stuff on the Spice page: http://spice-space.org/features.html http://spice-space.org/faq.html Future Features!? :) - 3D acceleration/*GL http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/spice-devel/2013-May/013411.html http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/spice-devel/2013-May/013491.html Now, Red Hat can do better - two people are smarter than one, so help Dave and let the acceleration develops accelerated. ;) poma -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On 31.05.2013 16:34, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 04:20:00PM +0200, poma wrote: In addition to your method, 'qemu-kvm -sdl' is only able to produce Could not initialize SDL(No available video device) - exiting despite guidance at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Virtualization_problems#SDL_Graphics This might be a bug, or it might be that you don't have a video device available (are you running this at the text console or over ssh?) SDL works pretty reliably for me though, but if you can't get it to work you should file a bug with detailed information about versions and how to reproduce it. But what about this one? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=880152#c3 poma -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On 31.05.2013 01:28, jdow wrote:
On 2013/05/30 11:08, poma wrote:
On 30.05.2013 19:27, Doug wrote:
…
Besides, Spice is a bad name for some kind of media program; Spice
is the name of a powerful and useful electronic engineering program!
Both sides should be more precise in the terminology, so they don't mix
uppercase and lowercase, sure. ;)
http://www.spice-space.org/
The Simple Protocol for Independent Computing Environments (SPICE)
SPICE/Xspice
http://ngspice.sourceforge.net/
Ngspice is a general-purpose circuit simulator program.
Ngspice/XSPICE
If you wish to be pedantic, SPICE is the original name, possibly
before you were born.
{^_^}
Then say something nice to *them*. ;)
poma
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Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
Il 31/05/2013 17:04, poma ha scritto: On 31.05.2013 16:34, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 04:20:00PM +0200, poma wrote: In addition to your method, 'qemu-kvm -sdl' is only able to produce Could not initialize SDL(No available video device) - exiting despite guidance at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Virtualization_problems#SDL_Graphics This might be a bug, or it might be that you don't have a video device available (are you running this at the text console or over ssh?) SDL works pretty reliably for me though, but if you can't get it to work you should file a bug with detailed information about versions and how to reproduce it. But what about this one? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=880152#c3 That's a RHEL bug. For what it's worth, in RHEL you're not even supposed to invoke qemu-kvm, it's in /usr/libexec. Paolo -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On 31.05.2013 22:12, Paolo Bonzini wrote: Il 31/05/2013 17:04, poma ha scritto: On 31.05.2013 16:34, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 04:20:00PM +0200, poma wrote: In addition to your method, 'qemu-kvm -sdl' is only able to produce Could not initialize SDL(No available video device) - exiting despite guidance at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Virtualization_problems#SDL_Graphics This might be a bug, or it might be that you don't have a video device available (are you running this at the text console or over ssh?) SDL works pretty reliably for me though, but if you can't get it to work you should file a bug with detailed information about versions and how to reproduce it. But what about this one? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=880152#c3 That's a RHEL bug. For what it's worth, in RHEL you're not even supposed to invoke qemu-kvm, it's in /usr/libexec. Actually it's *RHEL7* bug report, and what is important to note is missed SDL support. ;) BTW regarding that and correcting my previous statement, 'virsh' 'virt-manager' are troubled ones in Fedora, not 'qemu-kvm' per se. And as icing on the cake, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=536693 it seems that the story is finished. Ta ta ta ta. :) poma -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
Are you tired of using VNC? Best Regards, Martin Holec Desktop QE, Red Hat Brno - Forwarded Message - From: David Jaša dj...@redhat.com To: brno-memo-l...@redhat.com, spice-l...@redhat.com, tech-l...@redhat.com, desktop-qa-l...@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:37:04 PM Subject: Thursday is Spice Test Day! Hi All, The day has come to test Spice! The project got several new features, half of them developed almost exclusively by the community. There are several test cases on the Test Day page that allow you to try these features: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-30_Spice if you have any questions, ask on IRC channels (#fedora-test-day @ Freenode, #spice @ gimpnet) Happy testing! David -- David Jaša, RHCE SPICE QE based in Brno GPG Key: 22C33E24 Fingerprint: 513A 060B D1B4 2A72 7F0D 0278 B125 CD00 22C3 3E24 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On 30.05.2013 14:16, Martin Holec wrote: Are you tired of using VNC? Nope. Do you have any issues with VNC? poma -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 15:53 +0200, poma wrote: On 30.05.2013 14:16, Martin Holec wrote: Are you tired of using VNC? Nope. Do you have any issues with VNC? It's slow, doesn't have as good guest integration as Spice, and misses lots of spice's advanced features... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On 30.05.2013 19:27, Doug wrote: … Besides, Spice is a bad name for some kind of media program; Spice is the name of a powerful and useful electronic engineering program! Both sides should be more precise in the terminology, so they don't mix uppercase and lowercase, sure. ;) http://www.spice-space.org/ The Simple Protocol for Independent Computing Environments (SPICE) SPICE/Xspice http://ngspice.sourceforge.net/ Ngspice is a general-purpose circuit simulator program. Ngspice/XSPICE poma -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On 30.05.2013 19:23, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 15:53 +0200, poma wrote: On 30.05.2013 14:16, Martin Holec wrote: Are you tired of using VNC? Nope. Do you have any issues with VNC? It's slow, doesn't have as good guest integration as Spice, and misses lots of spice's advanced features... In this respect, is there a comparison study and where? poma -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 20:15 +0200, poma wrote: On 30.05.2013 19:23, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 15:53 +0200, poma wrote: On 30.05.2013 14:16, Martin Holec wrote: Are you tired of using VNC? Nope. Do you have any issues with VNC? It's slow, doesn't have as good guest integration as Spice, and misses lots of spice's advanced features... In this respect, is there a comparison study and where? Don't know if there's spice vs. VNC study exactly, but there's some useful stuff on the Spice page: http://spice-space.org/features.html http://spice-space.org/faq.html -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:23:52AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-30 at 15:53 +0200, poma wrote: On 30.05.2013 14:16, Martin Holec wrote: Are you tired of using VNC? Nope. Do you have any issues with VNC? It's slow, doesn't have as good guest integration as Spice, and misses lots of spice's advanced features... I'm remoting my VMs using X11 :-) Mainly because I don't want to be running a whole desktop environment anywhere except on my local laptop. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-p2v converts physical machines to virtual machines. Boot with a live CD or over the network (PXE) and turn machines into KVM guests. http://libguestfs.org/virt-v2v -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: I'm remoting my VMs using X11 :-) Mainly because I don't want to be running a whole desktop environment anywhere except on my local laptop. How do you do installs? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Thursday is Spice Test Day!
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: I'm remoting my VMs using X11 :-) Mainly because I don't want to be running a whole desktop environment anywhere except on my local laptop. How do you do installs? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
