Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
Hi, I use Fedora rawhide daily as an all-purpose desktop: administrative tasks (budgets, taxes, etc), mail, web browsing (online stores, news, etc). I am pretty agnostic in what I call desktop but over the years I've slowly moved from fat clients to local web clients plugged on local 'server' apps (postfix, amavisd-new, dovecot, squirrelmail…). In part to get the ability to access my desktop remotely and in part due to GNOME's long-term failure in providing apps with stable behaviour, complete feature-sets and robust data handling (I used for example to launch evolution when at home. Now I don't bother and open squirrelmail directly. Both evo and thundermail never bothered with correct handling of shared maildir stores). I don't care about the continuous chrome rewrites and experimentations when basic functionnality does not work (for the same reasons I use the terminal all the time instead of desktop helpers). The web apps have no fancy UI but they get the job done reliably day after day. (OTOH OpenOffice then LibreOffice I continue to use, so I'm not wed to web apps I just want working no-surprise dekstop apps). IMHO there is a severe lack of understanding FLOSS desktop-side that pretty demos win reviews and two-weeks user tests but long-term adoption relies on long-term stability and lack of UI surprises. Once upon a time I wanted to explore adding entertainment media PC functions to the desktop (I have all the required hardware, including video capture card) but I gave up on it for pretty much the same reasons I gave up on GNOME apps (the last straw was the killing of background audio/video tasks by laptop-oriented developpers). Printing robustness is a long-term sore point (when you fill admin documents, invoices, taxes it must work now not the next day after lots of debuging). Due to limited free time my Fedora testing has slowly devolved into filling abrt and selinux reports (there are enough crashes in Fedora apps handling them does not leave any time for more in-depth reporting, which is ignored too often anyway). I've used Fedora and other FLOSS projects in the past to push changes i wanted upstream, and I still use it to get an idea about the changes that will eventually land in distro derivatives that I will see used at work for example (I'm pretty pessimistic about Fedora adoption. RHL then Fedora used to be in the same class than other desktop systems like windows, but other desktop producers made huge stability efforts while Fedora moved the other way for unfathomable reasons. Once upon a time a Linux desktop was the solution if you wanted to avoid data loss (at the cost of being a bit bare) now it's even more bare but completely outclassed by the competition on the stability front. Lately I've noticed the Games SIG packaged some interesting bits in Fedora, and so far those bits to not fail in strange and misterious ways and I can continue months-old games after multiple updates without strange and mysterious time-consuming behaviour changes. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
Being in the middle of a career change, I use Fedora as a basic desktop with MATE. As productivity I do a lot of photo editing with GIMP and the occasional tools like custom-made ImageMagick scripts, illustration with Inkscape, DTP with a GIMP and Inkscape combo and web development with Pluma. On the server side, I run only an Apache instance on the same machine for testing the web stuff. All the other services are externally hosted. The machine is shared with my life partner, who also do photo editing, but as she refuses to even try Linux alternatives, is set-up for dual boot with Window 7. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:55 AM, David Lehman dleh...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 08:59 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 08:29:21AM -0600, Pete Travis wrote: equated to the memory requirements for the running environment, especially for cloud guests. @minimal requires less memory to install than a full desktop - but does anyone want to run Fedora with less memory than that, or is doing so venturing out of reasonable guidelines and into proof-of-concept adventureland? Yes, people want to run Fedora in VMs with less memory than that. (Key demographic: large computer science classes.) Would those classes be installing the VMs themselves, or would the instructor/assistant do that beforehand? If the latter, this is a perfect case for anaconda's install-to-a-disk-image-file capability and makes little sense to handle by doing dozens of interactive installations. Dave I wasn't aware of this compelling capability. I experimented with it a bit; encouragingly, I can create an image with qcow-create that anaconda recognizes, but I haven't sorted out how to run anaconda from the command line without it taking over the system that runs it, with varying degrees of success. The functionality seems... inconsistent. Is this the way I'm using it[1] ? [1] ssh to a guest to I don't kill my workstation # ssh targetvm anaconda --kickstart=http://host/ks.cfg--image=/root/anaconda.img -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize at fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On Fri, 2013-04-05 at 08:59 -0600, Pete Travis wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:55 AM, David Lehman dleh...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 08:59 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 08:29:21AM -0600, Pete Travis wrote: equated to the memory requirements for the running environment, especially for cloud guests. @minimal requires less memory to install than a full desktop - but does anyone want to run Fedora with less memory than that, or is doing so venturing out of reasonable guidelines and into proof-of-concept adventureland? Yes, people want to run Fedora in VMs with less memory than that. (Key demographic: large computer science classes.) Would those classes be installing the VMs themselves, or would the instructor/assistant do that beforehand? If the latter, this is a perfect case for anaconda's install-to-a-disk-image-file capability and makes little sense to handle by doing dozens of interactive installations. Dave I wasn't aware of this compelling capability. I experimented with it a bit; encouragingly, I can create an image with qcow-create that anaconda recognizes, but I haven't sorted out how to run anaconda from the command line without it taking over the system that runs it, with varying degrees of success. The functionality seems... inconsistent. Is this the way I'm using it[1] ? [1] ssh to a guest to I don't kill my workstation # ssh targetvm anaconda --kickstart=http://host/ks.cfg --image=/root/anaconda.img I found a bug just a few minutes ago that would prevent disk image installs from working as expected [1]. There may be other issues lurking as this is an under-used piece of functionality. Your usage seems fine. [1] When disk images are specified they automatically become the exclusive set of usable disks. The bug I found earlier marks all disks, including the disk image, as unusable. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On Apr 5, 2013 2:23 PM, David Lehman dleh...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-04-05 at 08:59 -0600, Pete Travis wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:55 AM, David Lehman dleh...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 08:59 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 08:29:21AM -0600, Pete Travis wrote: equated to the memory requirements for the running environment, especially for cloud guests. @minimal requires less memory to install than a full desktop - but does anyone want to run Fedora with less memory than that, or is doing so venturing out of reasonable guidelines and into proof-of-concept adventureland? Yes, people want to run Fedora in VMs with less memory than that. (Key demographic: large computer science classes.) Would those classes be installing the VMs themselves, or would the instructor/assistant do that beforehand? If the latter, this is a perfect case for anaconda's install-to-a-disk-image-file capability and makes little sense to handle by doing dozens of interactive installations. Dave I wasn't aware of this compelling capability. I experimented with it a bit; encouragingly, I can create an image with qcow-create that anaconda recognizes, but I haven't sorted out how to run anaconda from the command line without it taking over the system that runs it, with varying degrees of success. The functionality seems... inconsistent. Is this the way I'm using it[1] ? [1] ssh to a guest to I don't kill my workstation # ssh targetvm anaconda --kickstart=http://host/ks.cfg --image=/root/anaconda.img I found a bug just a few minutes ago that would prevent disk image installs from working as expected [1]. There may be other issues lurking as this is an under-used piece of functionality. Your usage seems fine. [1] When disk images are specified they automatically become the exclusive set of usable disks. The bug I found earlier marks all disks, including the disk image, as unusable. -- I thought this exclusivity was the expected behavior, although I only did quick glance over the code. The problem seems to stem from running anaconda on an existing system rather than booting into anaconda. I'll play around with this some more, and follow up with bug reports, or a thread on anaconda-devel@ if you'd prefer. This thread is giving me a lot to ponder... --Pete -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
I mostly use cli programs (apart from web browsing, pdf readers and the ocassional gimp). My netbook has just 1G RAM, so I try to use the lightest programs wherever I can, and given the tools I've gotten used to, I don't even feel the need for more RAM (except when I'm forced to use Firefox). Here's my list: * Desktop environment: spectrwm - a tiling window manager (nothing else) * terminal emulator: urxvt * ssh * pdf reader: zathura * web browser: luakit(mostly), Firefox(if luakit doesn't behave well) * chat: irssi, bitlbee * email: mutt * editor: vim * Document/slideshow creation: LaTeX, beamer :) * SCM: git, gitolite * Tor \m/ I also have an installation of NetBSD's pkgsrc package manager on my machine. Coexists happily with yum. On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 01:17:17AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.04.2013 21:47, schrieb Pete Travis: The docs team has begun assembling release notes for Fedora 19, and I've been thinking over hardware requirements. Historically, we have cited the CPU, storage, and especially memory requirements for the default installation - a basic GNOME desktop. I'd like to reexamine that practice, with input from the development community. Fedora is too versatile a product to document so narrowly. A few considerations come immediately to mind, but please don't limit yourself to the examples: Modern composited desktops like GNOME and KDE need better graphics hardware than XFCE or MATE. Headless servers would benefit from better NICs or storage controllers, but not require them. Purpose driven virtual machines clearly need fewer resources than the machine that hosts them. I'm considering system specs at this point, but establishing the roles deployed might aid in targeting more comprehensive documentation. Beyond a basic desktop, what use cases would you like to see us represent? i have two uses-cases for Fedora private: * homerouter / firewall / VPN-gateway / WLAN-AP (hostapd) * fileserver for all sorts of data * music server (MPD) * KDE desktop * web-develoment (Eclipse) * all sort of servers like for business in VMware Workstation ___ business: * software development * web-applications / web-services / cms-systems * admin backends for different services like mail/web/ftp/sftp/EPP * deployment-tools (shell/php-scripts) * router / firewall / VPN-gateway for small offices * http-server / load-balancer (httpd / apache trafficserver) * ftp-server * mailserver (dbmail, dovecot, postfix, mysql) * database servers (for web-sites as well for admin-backends) * fileserver (smb / netatalk) * dns-servers (authoritative for hosting and internal resolvers * dhcpd * sftp-servers with nss-mysql in case of many virtual users * voip / fax (asterisk, hylafax, iaxmodem) * openvpn in summary: any network-service for internal usage as well as for customer services based on self-written admin- and deployment tools on top of VMware vSphere and running all on Fedora since many years and any dist-upgrade online with YUM all the time -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- Lokesh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 08:29:21AM -0600, Pete Travis wrote: equated to the memory requirements for the running environment, especially for cloud guests. @minimal requires less memory to install than a full desktop - but does anyone want to run Fedora with less memory than that, or is doing so venturing out of reasonable guidelines and into proof-of-concept adventureland? Yes, people want to run Fedora in VMs with less memory than that. (Key demographic: large computer science classes.) -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 08:59 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 08:29:21AM -0600, Pete Travis wrote: equated to the memory requirements for the running environment, especially for cloud guests. @minimal requires less memory to install than a full desktop - but does anyone want to run Fedora with less memory than that, or is doing so venturing out of reasonable guidelines and into proof-of-concept adventureland? Yes, people want to run Fedora in VMs with less memory than that. (Key demographic: large computer science classes.) Would those classes be installing the VMs themselves, or would the instructor/assistant do that beforehand? If the latter, this is a perfect case for anaconda's install-to-a-disk-image-file capability and makes little sense to handle by doing dozens of interactive installations. Dave -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 10:55:39AM -0500, David Lehman wrote: Would those classes be installing the VMs themselves, or would the instructor/assistant do that beforehand? If the latter, this is a perfect case for anaconda's install-to-a-disk-image-file capability and makes little sense to handle by doing dozens of interactive installations. Installed to an image. Not concerned at all about interactive installations. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 03:28:21PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I'm considering system specs at this point, but establishing the roles deployed might aid in targeting more comprehensive documentation. Beyond a basic desktop, what use cases would you like to see us represent? Cloud guest, please. What kind of cloud? What kind of guest? I'm worried that this will turn into a very large and amorphous effort. Sure; let's start concrete -- Amazon EC2, starting at M1 Small. If we can make it run nicely on Micro instances (and I don't see why not), so much the better. Trying to pin down 'typical Fedora use cases' seems rather like trying to box a cloud. Maybe we could at least try to describe the cloud a bit, though? That one looks like a fluffy bunny -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- I'm not sure we need to get too specific - at least, we can't make specific claims unless someone can validate function, which I can't personally do for cloud guests - but it would be nice to claim function on a certain class of node. Once we clear the installer hurdle, a minimal system doesn't need much. Clearly, the memory requirements of the installation environment can't be equated to the memory requirements for the running environment, especially for cloud guests. @minimal requires less memory to install than a full desktop - but does anyone want to run Fedora with less memory than that, or is doing so venturing out of reasonable guidelines and into proof-of-concept adventureland? -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize at fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On 03/04/13 07:29 AM, Pete Travis wrote: Clearly, the memory requirements of the installation environment can't be equated to the memory requirements for the running environment, especially for cloud guests. @minimal requires less memory to install than a full desktop - but does anyone want to run Fedora with less memory than that, or is doing so venturing out of reasonable guidelines and into proof-of-concept adventureland? I ran my IRC proxy VM for some long time with 256MB of RAM. It never needs any more. Now it has 2GB just because the host has tons of RAM and 'why not', but it still doesn't _need_ it. I've never seen top go north of 150MB on that box, and it's not a particularly exotic config, and it's doing obviously useful work (it's basically a minimal install with bip and bitlbee on top, doing what they're meant to do). -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On 04/02/2013 03:47 PM, Pete Travis wrote: I'm considering system specs at this point, but establishing the roles deployed might aid in targeting more comprehensive documentation. Beyond a basic desktop, what use cases would you like to see us represent? FWIW I primarily use Fedora as a creative workstation, for both vector bitmap graphic manipulation as well as non-linear video editing and occasional audio editing. I recently had one of my two 4 GB RAM DIMMs die, and noticed a big difference in how quickly Gimp was able to process images... it really slowed down. On my i7 system with full 8 GB of RAM Fedora performs quite well with what I work on though. Hope this helps, ~m -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: Hello, The docs team has begun assembling release notes for Fedora 19, and I've been thinking over hardware requirements. Historically, we have cited the CPU, storage, and especially memory requirements for the default installation - a basic GNOME desktop. I'd like to reexamine that practice, with input from the development community. Fedora is too versatile a product to document so narrowly. A few considerations come immediately to mind, but please don't limit yourself to the examples: Modern composited desktops like GNOME and KDE need better graphics hardware than XFCE or MATE. Headless servers would benefit from better NICs or storage controllers, but not require them. Purpose driven virtual machines clearly need fewer resources than the machine that hosts them. I'm considering system specs at this point, but establishing the roles deployed might aid in targeting more comprehensive documentation. Beyond a basic desktop, what use cases would you like to see us represent? -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize at fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Differently over the years. I used to run Fedora on servers at one point. I then started contributing. I now use it to stay up to date with Distro X upstream, learn new things, and help other people, and I have come in to contact with some amazing people along the way. Thanks, Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
My use cases fall into two broad categories - algorithmic music composition and computational journalism. The former is almost exactly the Fedora Jam audio spin, augmented by packages from Planet CCRMA. The latter is a mix of Design Suite and Science and Engineering spins and other packages, and can be rather neatly summarized by browsing all the scripts in https://github.com/znmeb/Computational-Journalism-Publsihers-Workbench of the form 'yum-*.bash'. ;-) On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 04/02/2013 03:47 PM, Pete Travis wrote: I'm considering system specs at this point, but establishing the roles deployed might aid in targeting more comprehensive documentation. Beyond a basic desktop, what use cases would you like to see us represent? FWIW I primarily use Fedora as a creative workstation, for both vector bitmap graphic manipulation as well as non-linear video editing and occasional audio editing. I recently had one of my two 4 GB RAM DIMMs die, and noticed a big difference in how quickly Gimp was able to process images... it really slowed down. On my i7 system with full 8 GB of RAM Fedora performs quite well with what I work on though. Hope this helps, ~m -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/znmeb; Computational Journalism Publishers Workbench http://j.mp/CompJournBench/ I am not an IP address! I am a free man! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
I do experimental design, prototyping, writing and commercial design of electronic projects. The tools I employ are: LO calc LO writer OpenSCAD ngspice gschem gedit emacs MPLABX (from microchip) GIMP eclipse Firefox Evolution PCB (just learning) Languages include C Basic Assembly Clisp -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
Am 02.04.2013 21:47, schrieb Pete Travis: The docs team has begun assembling release notes for Fedora 19, and I've been thinking over hardware requirements. Historically, we have cited the CPU, storage, and especially memory requirements for the default installation - a basic GNOME desktop. I'd like to reexamine that practice, with input from the development community. Fedora is too versatile a product to document so narrowly. A few considerations come immediately to mind, but please don't limit yourself to the examples: Modern composited desktops like GNOME and KDE need better graphics hardware than XFCE or MATE. Headless servers would benefit from better NICs or storage controllers, but not require them. Purpose driven virtual machines clearly need fewer resources than the machine that hosts them. I'm considering system specs at this point, but establishing the roles deployed might aid in targeting more comprehensive documentation. Beyond a basic desktop, what use cases would you like to see us represent? i have two uses-cases for Fedora private: * homerouter / firewall / VPN-gateway / WLAN-AP (hostapd) * fileserver for all sorts of data * music server (MPD) * KDE desktop * web-develoment (Eclipse) * all sort of servers like for business in VMware Workstation ___ business: * software development * web-applications / web-services / cms-systems * admin backends for different services like mail/web/ftp/sftp/EPP * deployment-tools (shell/php-scripts) * router / firewall / VPN-gateway for small offices * http-server / load-balancer (httpd / apache trafficserver) * ftp-server * mailserver (dbmail, dovecot, postfix, mysql) * database servers (for web-sites as well for admin-backends) * fileserver (smb / netatalk) * dns-servers (authoritative for hosting and internal resolvers * dhcpd * sftp-servers with nss-mysql in case of many virtual users * voip / fax (asterisk, hylafax, iaxmodem) * openvpn in summary: any network-service for internal usage as well as for customer services based on self-written admin- and deployment tools on top of VMware vSphere and running all on Fedora since many years and any dist-upgrade online with YUM all the time signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
How do *you* use Fedora?
Hello, The docs team has begun assembling release notes for Fedora 19, and I've been thinking over hardware requirements. Historically, we have cited the CPU, storage, and especially memory requirements for the default installation - a basic GNOME desktop. I'd like to reexamine that practice, with input from the development community. Fedora is too versatile a product to document so narrowly. A few considerations come immediately to mind, but please don't limit yourself to the examples: Modern composited desktops like GNOME and KDE need better graphics hardware than XFCE or MATE. Headless servers would benefit from better NICs or storage controllers, but not require them. Purpose driven virtual machines clearly need fewer resources than the machine that hosts them. I'm considering system specs at this point, but establishing the roles deployed might aid in targeting more comprehensive documentation. Beyond a basic desktop, what use cases would you like to see us represent? -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize at fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
I'm WAY out on the bell curve... I have two PCs. One of them, the one I sit in front of, has four monitors (on one Radeon HD card), video capture and playback, digital and analog audio (digital goes to a surround system receiver, analog to gaming headphones), an SSD plus a dual-3Tb raid1 all in a hot-swap bay, and a bunch of other stuff (mostly usb - lab equipment, scanner, two android devices, etc). It's a six-core i7 with 24 GB of RAM, and typically about half the RAM is in active use (the rest is for cache). I have some guest OSs but don't run them unless I need to, but the PC itself is up 24/7. I run fvwm2 across all monitors as one giant screen (the main screen is not the leftmost screen, and eventually won't be the topmost one either), and assign two virtual desktops to the local PC. I tried gaming under a composited desktop but the FPS dropped so compositing was dropped too. The other two virtual desktops are assigned to my other PC, which sits in the basement and only talks over X and ssh. I do *not* use any ramdisks or tmpfs. I also remove abrt as it takes too long to run if anything crashes (they tend to be BIG crashes). This setup is used for software development, gaming, EDA, email (10 mailboxes to monitor), web, and as a home (er, office :) theater. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 01:47:48PM -0600, Pete Travis wrote: I'm considering system specs at this point, but establishing the roles deployed might aid in targeting more comprehensive documentation. Beyond a basic desktop, what use cases would you like to see us represent? Cloud guest, please. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On 02/04/13 02:26 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 01:47:48PM -0600, Pete Travis wrote: I'm considering system specs at this point, but establishing the roles deployed might aid in targeting more comprehensive documentation. Beyond a basic desktop, what use cases would you like to see us represent? Cloud guest, please. What kind of cloud? What kind of guest? I'm worried that this will turn into a very large and amorphous effort. Trying to pin down 'typical Fedora use cases' seems rather like trying to box a cloud. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How do *you* use Fedora?
On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 03:28:21PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I'm considering system specs at this point, but establishing the roles deployed might aid in targeting more comprehensive documentation. Beyond a basic desktop, what use cases would you like to see us represent? Cloud guest, please. What kind of cloud? What kind of guest? I'm worried that this will turn into a very large and amorphous effort. Sure; let's start concrete -- Amazon EC2, starting at M1 Small. If we can make it run nicely on Micro instances (and I don't see why not), so much the better. Trying to pin down 'typical Fedora use cases' seems rather like trying to box a cloud. Maybe we could at least try to describe the cloud a bit, though? That one looks like a fluffy bunny -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
