Re: NTFS corruption with Fedora 37 and 38
On Tue, Aug 01, 2023 at 07:51:29PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 18:50:30 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > Did you get to the bottom of what's really happening here? > > As in the message that opened this topic, it is suspected that there > has been a change to mount with kernel ntfs3 instead of ntfs-3g. > > I remember I've not had corruption with fuse/ntfs-3g, but for some time > with Fedora 37 and 38, ntfs3 is used. Test with an USB drive: > > # mount|grep -i ntfs > /dev/sda1 on /run/media/ms38/HD-PCU2 type ntfs3 > (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,windows_names,iocharset=utf8,uhelper=udisks2) > > # lsmod|grep -i ntfs > ntfs3 323584 1 > > > We use and test ntfs-3g > > extensively and have not seen any reports of corruption. > > Right, but it is kernel ntfs3 that causes the corruption. Even if only > copying a single folder to a drive and unmounting + safe-removing the drive > with Nautilus. Thanks - it wasn't clear from the thread that the "suspicion" that ntfs3.ko was involved was actually proven, but the above is proof. Did anyone file a bug? Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-top is 'top' for virtual machines. Tiny program with many powerful monitoring features, net stats, disk stats, logging, etc. http://people.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-top ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: NTFS corruption with Fedora 37 and 38
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 18:50:30 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Did you get to the bottom of what's really happening here? As in the message that opened this topic, it is suspected that there has been a change to mount with kernel ntfs3 instead of ntfs-3g. I remember I've not had corruption with fuse/ntfs-3g, but for some time with Fedora 37 and 38, ntfs3 is used. Test with an USB drive: # mount|grep -i ntfs /dev/sda1 on /run/media/ms38/HD-PCU2 type ntfs3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,windows_names,iocharset=utf8,uhelper=udisks2) # lsmod|grep -i ntfs ntfs3 323584 1 > We use and test ntfs-3g > extensively and have not seen any reports of corruption. Right, but it is kernel ntfs3 that causes the corruption. Even if only copying a single folder to a drive and unmounting + safe-removing the drive with Nautilus. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: NTFS corruption with Fedora 37 and 38
On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 10:54:01AM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 16:29:20 +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > > > [1] I've only sporadically used NTFS, before, but for a couple of weeks, > > I had to use it more frequently. > > I would also call my usage "sporadic" (accessing NTFS USB sticks and > camera SD cards), but the worst symptoms I've had ever had before was > default auto-mounting in Nautilus offering only a read-only mount. Never > corruption while simply copying a single folder to NTFS (and, btw, > correctly unmounting and safe-removing the media). Did you get to the bottom of what's really happening here? If you're using ntfs-3g (the FUSE module) there should be a process called ntfs-3g (see 'ps ax' output). If you're using ntfs3.ko (the kernel module) then 'lsmod' output should show this. We use and test ntfs-3g extensively and have not seen any reports of corruption. > A bit of Google searching suggests ntfs-3g has been the more stable but > slower solution so far. ntfs-3g is far more mature, and it's highly unlikely you'll notice any speed difference unless you're copying gigantic files. > Here's another Fedora 38 user reporting corruption: > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/751529/ntfsfix-volume-is-corrupt-you-should-run-chkdsk-even-after-chkdsk Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com nbdkit - Flexible, fast NBD server with plugins https://gitlab.com/nbdkit/nbdkit ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: NTFS corruption with Fedora 37 and 38
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 16:29:20 +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote: > [1] I've only sporadically used NTFS, before, but for a couple of weeks, > I had to use it more frequently. I would also call my usage "sporadic" (accessing NTFS USB sticks and camera SD cards), but the worst symptoms I've had ever had before was default auto-mounting in Nautilus offering only a read-only mount. Never corruption while simply copying a single folder to NTFS (and, btw, correctly unmounting and safe-removing the media). A bit of Google searching suggests ntfs-3g has been the more stable but slower solution so far. Here's another Fedora 38 user reporting corruption: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/751529/ntfsfix-volume-is-corrupt-you-should-run-chkdsk-even-after-chkdsk ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: NTFS corruption with Fedora 37 and 38
Am 25.07.23 um 13:29 schrieb Michael Schwendt: Trying to figure out what has changed in Fedora land that causes NTFS corruption for some time. This is with default workstation with GNOME Shell auto-mounting external storage media when plugging them in. A ticket in bugzilla suggests there has been a changed from ntfs-3g to ntfs3: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2182206 ( udisks switched to kernel ntfs3 driver instead of ntfs-3g for mounting ntfs since the kernel 6.2 update ) The current state of development is highly dangerous. It could be random coincidence[1], but since Sunday (the date I updated kernel-6.4.4), I had 2 serious NTFS corruptions on an external USB-disk. Win11 was able to repair the first one (Fedora was not), but the second one was fatal. Both Linux and Win11 refused any operation on the file system. I resorted to reformating. Ralf [1] I've only sporadically used NTFS, before, but for a couple of weeks, I had to use it more frequently. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
NTFS corruption with Fedora 37 and 38
Trying to figure out what has changed in Fedora land that causes NTFS corruption for some time. This is with default workstation with GNOME Shell auto-mounting external storage media when plugging them in. A ticket in bugzilla suggests there has been a changed from ntfs-3g to ntfs3: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2182206 ( udisks switched to kernel ntfs3 driver instead of ntfs-3g for mounting ntfs since the kernel 6.2 update ) The current state of development is highly dangerous. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
