Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Sylvia]

Yes, also notice that there's a lot of empty space to the right.  

On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 12:20 -0600, Keith Keith wrote:
> I only get 21 lines.  I'm know nothing about web page design and even
> less about image editing as you'll see but the attached pic seems
> like what I would do placement wise.  Does it give away too much
> horizontal space for vertical screen users?  Could it detect
> orientation and choose this one for horizontal only?
> 
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Kevin Fenzi 
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 16:47:45 +
> > 
> > Richard Hughes  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Probibly not. The infrastructure one would be better, but oh well.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently
> > changed,
> > 
> > > and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the
> > 
> > > issue:
> > 
> > > https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%
> > 202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and
> > 
> > > padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of
> > actual
> > 
> > > text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get
> > when
> > 
> > > using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with
> > 
> > > https://paste.opensuse.org.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > So, some of that could be our theme, which is already being
> > discussed
> > 
> > at:
> > 
> > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/5816
> > 
> > You could chime in there and see if things could be made more
> > compact.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Or it could be an upstream issue (yea for having an upstream
> > again!):
> > 
> > Looking at their demo site:
> > 
> > https://demo.modernpaste.com/
> > 
> > it does seem the layout is pretty set. So, perhaps you could ask
> > them
> > 
> > to make things more compact there?
> > 
> > https://github.com/LINKIWI/modern-paste/issues
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The paste URLs from the latter are also
> > 
> > > https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to
> > 
> > > https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UN
> > dIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
> > 
> > > (82 chars)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If you use the command line 'fpaste' util it gives you a shortened
> > url.
> > 
> > We have been discussing how to also include that in the web side.
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't
> > just
> > 
> > > be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Well, it's change and everyone dislikes that. I hope we can
> > convince
> > 
> > upstream to make changes that our users (like yourself) wish so
> > it's
> > 
> > nice for everyone.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > kevin
> > 
> > 
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Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:32:05 +
Rahul Sundaram  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:29 PM Athos Ribeiro . I am not aware
> 
> > of the details on why we moved to this new paste, but I also agree
> > that we do not need a fancy website for that and maybe that was not
> > the reason we moved.
> >  
> 
> Seems pretty obvious it was done to get a more maintainable upstream
> project.

Yeah. 

We wanted something that had: 

* An active upstream project (sticky-notes, our old pastebin was
  explicitly no longer maintained by it's upsteam). 

* Prefer python (since thats what most of our other apps are using and
  we know it. modernpaste uses python-flask). 

* Something we could package in Fedora/EPEL. (Since modernpaste was
  flask based, it wasn't too hard to package up). 

Again, hopefully we can work with upstream and adjust things to make
folks happy. 

kevin


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Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 12:20:10 -0600
Keith Keith  wrote:

> I only get 21 lines.  I'm know nothing about web page design and even
> less about image editing as you'll see but the attached pic seems
> like what I would do placement wise.  Does it give away too much
> horizontal space for vertical screen users?  Could it detect
> orientation and choose this one for horizontal only?

Seems like a pretty plausible thing to suggest to upstream and discuss
with them. ;) 

kevin



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Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Richard Hughes]

On 23 February 2017 at 17:56, Stephen John Smoogen  wrote:
> 2. Pastebins are a security code nightmare.

Sure, agreed.

> This isn't a "you have to put up and use what we give you".. if this
> ones does not meet your needs please use one that does. If the service
> can't be fixed and doesn't work overall it was a good try and its time
> to retire it.

I think a lot of the issues could be fixed just making the theme a lot
more compact. I mean, there are 5 layers of header and a footer, which
could easily be condensed down into 2 header layers and a much smaller
footer.

Richard.
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Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Rahul Sundaram]

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:29 PM Athos Ribeiro . I am not aware

> of the details on why we moved to this new paste, but I also agree that
> we do not need a fancy website for that and maybe that was not the
> reason we moved.
>

Seems pretty obvious it was done to get a more maintainable upstream
project.

Rahul
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Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Martin Kolman]

On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 08:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 16:47 +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue.
> > Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently
> > changed,
> > and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the
> > issue: https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20
> > from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png
> > 
> > My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and
> > padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual
> > text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get
> > when
> > using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with
> > https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also
> > https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to
> > https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdI
> > GYhyRLivL9gydE=
> > (82 chars)
> > 
> > I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't
> > just
> > be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong?
> 
> You get a shortened URL when you create a paste with the CLI tool.
That's actually a significant improvement with the new paste tool! :)

The short URLs have been broken before and it has been a pain to type
the full URL from environments where copy past does not work (console
of a running Fedora installation, etc.).


> Can't help with the layout, but I use vertically oriented screens so
> it
> doesn't bother me. :P
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Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Keith Keith]

I only get 21 lines.  I'm know nothing about web page design and even less
about image editing as you'll see but the attached pic seems like what I
would do placement wise.  Does it give away too much horizontal space for
vertical screen users?  Could it detect orientation and choose this one for
horizontal only?

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 16:47:45 +
> Richard Hughes  wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue.
>
> Probibly not. The infrastructure one would be better, but oh well.
>
> > Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed,
> > and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the
> > issue:
> > https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/
> Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png
> >
> > My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and
> > padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual
> > text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when
> > using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with
> > https://paste.opensuse.org.
>
> So, some of that could be our theme, which is already being discussed
> at:
> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/5816
> You could chime in there and see if things could be made more compact.
>
> Or it could be an upstream issue (yea for having an upstream again!):
> Looking at their demo site:
> https://demo.modernpaste.com/
> it does seem the layout is pretty set. So, perhaps you could ask them
> to make things more compact there?
> https://github.com/LINKIWI/modern-paste/issues
>
> The paste URLs from the latter are also
> > https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to
> > https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIG
> YhyRLivL9gydE=
> > (82 chars)
>
> If you use the command line 'fpaste' util it gives you a shortened url.
> We have been discussing how to also include that in the web side.
> >
> > I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just
> > be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong?
>
> Well, it's change and everyone dislikes that. I hope we can convince
> upstream to make changes that our users (like yourself) wish so it's
> nice for everyone.
>
> kevin
>
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Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 23 February 2017 at 11:47, Richard Hughes  wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue.
> Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed,
> and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the
> issue: 
> https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png
>
> My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and
> padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual
> text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when
> using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with
> https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also
> https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to
> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
> (82 chars)
>
> I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just
> be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong?
>

So there are multiple things that you don't seem aware about going on here.

1. The code bases for most pastebins are Norwegian parrots. Trying to
find one that was maintained and in a code base we use was not simple.
2. Pastebins are a security code nightmare. Hackers like to figure out
ways to stick their crap into them all the time just to send someone
to pown them. If you don't have regular maintenance upstream it is all
on you. The opensuse pastebin would probably be a lot of patching on
their side.
3. Pastebins are a nightmare to run. The daily scans by pirates and
command and control systems looking for child porn is a pain in the
ass to deal with and have to be responsible for. For every legitimate
user there are 8 or nine systems which like to dump everything from
personal threats to credit card info to child porn.
4. The problem with the short code pastebins is that every C bots do
brute force searches for the threats, credit cards, child porn and ip
addresses of infected systems. This way they don't have to actually
talk to their systems they use an indirect channel which allows them
to be less likely caught.

Yes the modernpaste system we are using has some major issues.. but
the previous one was a nightmare to run, the other ones on the market
are not great either. And with an active upstream we have a chance of
getting things fixed.

This isn't a "you have to put up and use what we give you".. if this
ones does not meet your needs please use one that does. If the service
can't be fixed and doesn't work overall it was a good try and its time
to retire it.


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Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Athos Ribeiro]

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 04:47:45PM +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue.
> Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed,
> and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the
> issue: 
> https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png
> 
> My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and
> padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual
> text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when
> using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with
> https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also
> https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to
> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
> (82 chars)
> 
> I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just
> be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong?

I agree with the url being too long. About the sizes, you can alway append
'/raw' in the end of the URL or use --rawurl on fpaste. I am not aware
of the details on why we moved to this new paste, but I also agree that
we do not need a fancy website for that and maybe that was not the
reason we moved.

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Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 16:47:45 +
Richard Hughes  wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue.

Probibly not. The infrastructure one would be better, but oh well. 

> Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed,
> and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the
> issue:
> https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png
> 
> My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and
> padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual
> text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when
> using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with
> https://paste.opensuse.org. 

So, some of that could be our theme, which is already being discussed
at: 
https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/5816 
You could chime in there and see if things could be made more compact. 

Or it could be an upstream issue (yea for having an upstream again!):
Looking at their demo site: 
https://demo.modernpaste.com/
it does seem the layout is pretty set. So, perhaps you could ask them
to make things more compact there?
https://github.com/LINKIWI/modern-paste/issues

The paste URLs from the latter are also
> https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to
> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
> (82 chars)

If you use the command line 'fpaste' util it gives you a shortened url. 
We have been discussing how to also include that in the web side. 
> 
> I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just
> be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong?

Well, it's change and everyone dislikes that. I hope we can convince
upstream to make changes that our users (like yourself) wish so it's
nice for everyone. 

kevin


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Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Remi Collet]

Le 23/02/2017 à 17:52, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 16:47 +, Richard Hughes wrote:
>> I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue.
>> Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed,
>> and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the
>> issue: 
>> https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png
>>
>> My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and
>> padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual
>> text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when
>> using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with
>> https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also
>> https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to
>> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
>> (82 chars)
>>
>> I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just
>> be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong?
> 
> You get a shortened URL when you create a paste with the CLI tool.
> Can't help with the layout, but I use vertically oriented screens so it
> doesn't bother me. :P
> 

And fpaste command in broken in EPEL
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1426322

Remi
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Re: New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 16:47 +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue.
> Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed,
> and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the
> issue: 
> https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png
> 
> My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and
> padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual
> text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when
> using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with
> https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also
> https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to
> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
> (82 chars)
> 
> I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just
> be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong?

You get a shortened URL when you create a paste with the CLI tool.
Can't help with the layout, but I use vertically oriented screens so it
doesn't bother me. :P
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New pastebin service on paste.fedoraproject.org

[Richard Hughes]

I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this issue.
Basically, the paste.fedoraproject.org site has been recently changed,
and it's basically useless for me now. This screenshot shows the
issue: 
https://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/temp/Screenshot%20from%202017-02-23%2016-38-52.png

My frustration is that with all the beautifully designed CSS and
padded chrome around everything we can only fit 22 lines of actual
text on the screen. That's about half of the lines that I can get when
using http://pastebin.com and a third of what I can get with
https://paste.opensuse.org. The paste URLs from the latter are also
https://paste.opensuse.org/53391866 (35 chars) compared to
https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3epoM9U0i4oKyPlw7Z6nfl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
(82 chars)

I find myself no longer using paste.fedoraproject.org -- it can't just
be me being a grumpy old man, can it? Am I holding it wrong?

Richard.
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