Re: Orphaning The Mana World (tmw and tmw-music)

[Erik Schilling]

Hi,
As far as I know, manaplus and tmw refer to the same project. The 
latter is just the upstream name of the source archives. So according 
to the naming guidelines, tmw is a valid package name but I guess, it 
would also be fine to rename it to manaplus as it's more descriptive. 
Concerning the project status, I'm not up to date. Maybe Erik can give 
some more input about that. I put him on CC. Martin 


TMW basically is the specific server (scripts, graphics, configuration). 
Manaplus is a fork of the Mana Client (which is no longer being 
developed). It is more an independent client. Other servers are using 
Manaplus as their client too.


So the branding package "tmw" only only provides a bit of theming for 
manaplus / mana. However the branding "upstream" moved into the manaplus 
package now. So if you look into the data/ dir of the Manaplus tarball 
you can see all the theming there.


So this is why I suggested to make manaplus providing the tmw package. I 
think this would be the easiest to maintain... Also this way one could 
maybe add theming for other servers too (for evol for example).


The best way to get support is to ask in #themanaworld-dev on freenode. 
Simply highlight 4144 and me (Ablu) there.


As a side note: I find the name "manaworld" a bit weird... I never heard 
anybody calling the game this way...


Regards,
Erik
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Re: Orphaning The Mana World (tmw and tmw-music)

[Raphael Groner]

Hi Martin,

I took tmw and would like to update in rawhide and F23.

What's the difference to manaplus? There are also (very old and orphaned) 
packages named as manaworld, log says they conflicted with mana, can we switch 
the name back? How's the situation at upstream? We should try to use upstream 
names for the current packages.

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Re: Orphaning The Mana World (tmw and tmw-music)

[Martin Gieseking]

Am 11.02.2016 um 17:18 schrieb Raphael Groner:
> I took tmw and would like to update in rawhide and F23.
> 
> What's the difference to manaplus? There are also (very old and
> orphaned) packages named as manaworld, log says they conflicted with
> mana, can we switch the name back? How's the situation at upstream?
> We should try to use upstream names for the current packages.


Hi Raphael,

great, thanks for taking the package.

As far as I know, manaplus and tmw refer to the same project. The latter
is just the upstream name of the source archives. So according to the
naming guidelines, tmw is a valid package name but I guess, it would
also be fine to rename it to manaplus as it's more descriptive.
Concerning the project status, I'm not up to date. Maybe Erik can give
some more input about that. I put him on CC.

Martin
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Re: Orphaning The Mana World (tmw and tmw-music)

[Erik Schilling]

On Jan 11, 2016 22:23, "Martin Gieseking"  wrote:
>
> Am 11.01.2016 um 20:53 schrieb Erik Schilling:
> > After a short discussion with upstream they told me that they ship the
> > branding for tmw inside of the manaplus sources. So it would probably be
> > the easiest to simply create a tmw package as subpackage of the
> > manaplus.spec.
> >
> > But well... I do not have the time and will to keep track of the
> > manaplus release scheme so I guess there is nothing I can do here.
>
>
> Thanks for contacting upstream about the current state of TMW and for
> thinking about to take the package. Since you don't have enough time to
> maintain it either, we should drop it for now. Maybe there will be
> someone interested in the package anytime later.

It is not that critical that the branding package is gone since it is still
possible to launch the game via Manaplus directly (I would assume that most
people do it that way anyway). Only the bit of branding is gone. But well...

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Re: Orphaning The Mana World (tmw and tmw-music)

[Martin Gieseking]

Am 11.01.2016 um 20:53 schrieb Erik Schilling:
> After a short discussion with upstream they told me that they ship the
> branding for tmw inside of the manaplus sources. So it would probably be
> the easiest to simply create a tmw package as subpackage of the
> manaplus.spec.
> 
> But well... I do not have the time and will to keep track of the
> manaplus release scheme so I guess there is nothing I can do here.


Thanks for contacting upstream about the current state of TMW and for
thinking about to take the package. Since you don't have enough time to
maintain it either, we should drop it for now. Maybe there will be
someone interested in the package anytime later.

Best,
Martin
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Re: Orphaning The Mana World (tmw and tmw-music)

[Erik Schilling]

On Jan 8, 2016 11:44, "Martin Gieseking"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> unfortunately, I have to orphan the two Mana World packages tmw [1] and
tmw-music [2] since I don't use them any longer and don't have enough time
to maintain them properly. It would be great if somebody is still
interested in The Mana World and could take ownership.
>
> As far as I can tell, the code base of the currently packaged tmw client
is outdated and should be updated to the recent system available at GitHub
[3].
>
> Martin

I will talk with upstream whether the current way the package is provided
is still up to date (iirc manaplus ships some branding too...). Maybe I
will pick the package then...

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Re: Orphaning The Mana World (tmw and tmw-music)

[Erik Schilling]

I will talk with upstream whether the current way the package is
provided is still up to date (iirc manaplus ships some branding too...).
Maybe I will pick the package then...


After a short discussion with upstream they told me that they ship the 
branding for tmw inside of the manaplus sources. So it would probably be 
the easiest to simply create a tmw package as subpackage of the 
manaplus.spec.


But well... I do not have the time and will to keep track of the 
manaplus release scheme so I guess there is nothing I can do here.


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Orphaning The Mana World (tmw and tmw-music)

[Martin Gieseking]

Hi,

unfortunately, I have to orphan the two Mana World packages tmw [1] and 
tmw-music [2] since I don't use them any longer and don't have enough 
time to maintain them properly. It would be great if somebody is still 
interested in The Mana World and could take ownership.


As far as I can tell, the code base of the currently packaged tmw client 
is outdated and should be updated to the recent system available at 
GitHub [3].


Martin


[1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rpms/tmw
[2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rpms/tmw-music/
[3] https://github.com/themanaworld
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