Re: Packages requiring numpy may require a rebuild in f13 and rawhide
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Thomas Spura spur...@students.uni-mainz.de wrote: Are you sure, packages like gnuplot-py *have* to get rebuild? Your first programm that causes troubles 'python-basemap' is not noarch. A compiled programm needs a rebuild, but a programm with just python files in it? Apologies, see the revised list I posted later as a follow-up that does a better job of finding the things that buildrequire numpy. The first list was admittedly a rough cut. -jef -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Packages requiring numpy may require a rebuild in f13 and rawhide
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 22:48 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Thomas Spura spur...@students.uni-mainz.de wrote: Are you sure, packages like gnuplot-py *have* to get rebuild? Your first programm that causes troubles 'python-basemap' is not noarch. A compiled programm needs a rebuild, but a programm with just python files in it? Apologies, see the revised list I posted later as a follow-up that does a better job of finding the things that buildrequire numpy. The first list was admittedly a rough cut. A Python package BuildRequiring numpy does not need to mean anything. All of my packages on the list BuildRequires numpy simply because the install scripts have a dummy check in them for checking that all necessary runtime modules are installed.. so AFAIK nothing is compiled against numpy. -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Packages requiring numpy may require a rebuild in f13 and rawhide
On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 04:11 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Jussi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org wrote: A Python package BuildRequiring numpy does not need to mean anything. All of my packages on the list BuildRequires numpy simply because the install scripts have a dummy check in them for checking that all necessary runtime modules are installed.. so AFAIK nothing is compiled against numpy. I'm not saying all those packages are affected... I'm saying that's a starting point for packages to be checked. The ABI break is real. Quoting scipy.org: NumPy 1.4.0 release pulled. (2010-2-8) Due to an unintended ABI break the 1.4.0 release has temporarily been pulled pending a decision on how to handle the ABI incompatibility. Its almost two months later and NumPy 1.4.0 is still pulled from upstream. Not a good sign. Do we revert to back to to the old version if upstream doesn't re-release 1.4 before F13 release date? Sort of an important question. I'm still coming up to speed on the details by reading the upstream mailinglist. I haven't looked into the ABI break in detail, but I notice that our numpy rpm contains header files: [da...@f13 ~]$ rpm -q numpy numpy-1.4.0-4.fc13.x86_64 [da...@f13 ~]$ rpm -ql numpy|grep \.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/__multiarray_api.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/__ufunc_api.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/_neighborhood_iterator_imp.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/_numpyconfig.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/arrayobject.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/arrayscalars.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/ndarrayobject.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/noprefix.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/npy_common.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/npy_cpu.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/npy_endian.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/npy_interrupt.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/npy_math.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/npy_os.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/numpyconfig.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/old_defines.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/oldnumeric.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/ufuncobject.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/utils.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/numarray/numpy/arraybase.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/numarray/numpy/cfunc.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/numarray/numpy/ieeespecial.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/numarray/numpy/libnumarray.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/numarray/numpy/numcomplex.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/numarray/numpy/nummacro.h /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/random/randomkit.h ...which define the C-level API and data layout of the various useful PyObject subclasses provided by NumPy. For example, /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/ndarrayobject.h contains the declaration of struct PyArrayObject and the API to go with it, which extension modules may be using. Would it help insulate against future changes if these headers were moved to a numpy-devel subpackage? That way, packages that need to have a direct binary API dependency would need a BuildRequires: numpy-devel whereas those that merely go in at the Python level wouldn't need this, and it would be easier to spot packages needing a rebuild. Doing so now and forcing a rebuild _might_ help isolate the change. I don't know if that's a good idea at this stage for F-13, though. Hope this is helpful; I haven't had enough coffee yet today so I may be missing something. Dave -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Packages requiring numpy may require a rebuild in f13 and rawhide
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:54 AM, David Malcolm dmalc...@redhat.com wrote: Doing so now and forcing a rebuild _might_ help isolate the change. I don't know if that's a good idea at this stage for F-13, though. Hope this is helpful; I haven't had enough coffee yet today so I may be missing something. It looks like we may be reverting back to 1.3 regardless...if numpy upstream does not have an expected re-release date for 1.4. Is numpy it critpath for the Beta? I'm looking for input on whether we should revert asap to make sure numpy 1.3 is in the Beta. -jef -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Packages requiring numpy may require a rebuild in f13 and rawhide
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 10:39:33AM -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: It looks like we may be reverting back to 1.3 regardless...if numpy upstream does not have an expected re-release date for 1.4. Is numpy it critpath for the Beta? I'm looking for input on whether we should revert asap to make sure numpy 1.3 is in the Beta. Presumably, whatever resolution is taken is going to follow compatibility with 1.3 -- whether it's called 1.4.1 or whatever. That'll make 1.4.0 itself a dead branch with no upgrade path without _more_ breakage. So I think revert is the best call unless a 1.4.1 comes out, like, now. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Packages requiring numpy may require a rebuild in f13 and rawhide
On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 10:39 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Is numpy it critpath for the Beta? I'm looking for input on whether we should revert asap to make sure numpy 1.3 is in the Beta. It's basically too late for Beta, I've composed RC4 which should fix all known issues and become the release bits. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Packages requiring numpy may require a rebuild in f13 and rawhide
Found this today with python-basemap. Numpy 1.4.0 introduced some ABI changes. Anything that compiles against numpy and hasn't been rebuilt since Numpy 1.40 was introduced in late January may need to be rebuilt in F-13 and rawhide. Just a friendly heads up. I'm fixing python-basemap now and then I'm going to start working through the rest of the potentially affected packages and firing up rawhide rebuilds for those with build times older than the numpy 1.4.0 introduction. Once that is complete I'll be looking at pushing F13 updates. Apologizes to anyone's toes. I'm hoping some of the affected maintainers see this and take care of this before me. Because this is an ABI break, this will show up in weird unexpected runtime breakages for users..some easy to hit...some not. Its best to just do rebuilds now to avoid trying to to track this down in a series of head scratching crash reports. -jef Here are the packages that might be affected according to repoquery run on my 32bit box with build timestamps prior to numpy 1.4.0. gnuplot-py healpy pygrace python-nltk reinteract PyOpenGL gnome-applet-music scitools scitools-extras fonttools pygame PySBIG pygsl ScientificPython python-matplotlib scipy python-biopython PyQuante gausssum expendable PyQwt plplot pyfits python-numdisplay inkscape rpy specto gnuradio python-cclib python-networkx getdata-python mypaint python-fiat Mayavi -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Packages requiring numpy may require a rebuild in f13 and rawhide
Here are the packages that might be affected according to repoquery run on my 32bit box with build timestamps prior to numpy 1.4.0. unsorted list of 35 packages snipped Please sort the list. Yes, many mail user agents do offer text Search, but mostly that works well only for known literal substrings. If you want effective and efficient communication, then make it easy for the audience. expendable fonttools gausssum getdata-python gnome-applet-music gnuplot-py gnuradio healpy inkscape Mayavi mypaint plplot pyfits pygame pygrace pygsl PyOpenGL PyQuante PyQwt PySBIG python-biopython python-cclib python-fiat python-matplotlib python-networkx python-nltk python-numdisplay reinteract rpy ScientificPython scipy scitools scitools-extras specto -- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
