Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
Dne 5.2.2011 19:01, Paul F. Johnson napsal(a): Problem 2 (laptop). Gnome is dead. I can use KDE for my desktop but gnome, irrespective of the user, gives me a blue stripy screen and that's it. I've tried creating a new user in case it was my settings, but nope, blue stripy screen. I am not sure if it's related to gnome-do (I installed it, didn't like it, yum removed it) removing something it shouldn't have, but it does mean my laptop, unless using KDE, is no use. Looks like a bad bug I was hit by as well. Try to comment out putting clock on the gnome-shell black panel on the top in /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/panel.js (see attached patch). Does it help? Matěj -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
Dne 7.2.2011 05:12, David napsal(a): I switched to XFCE two months, maybe longer ago, whenever it was that this Gnome 3 or gnome-shell 'thing' first appeared in Rawhide. Why? Becasue it broke my desktop. Actually I am not exactly sure why but I know that I need *real* Nvidia drivers for my reasonably modern GeForce 5800 GTX card to work properly. The Linux drivers do not work as they should. For me. And something about the version of Xorg and this, or a combination of theses, makes major problems for me. Broke my desktop and the general Gnome 'expected to work things'. Putting aside my disgust for nvidia binary blob (I understand it is unfortunately part of our current reality), why do you think gnome-shell shouldn't work with it? Or is there other problem why gnome-shell doesn't work for you? Which ones? Best, Matěj -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
Dne 16.2.2011 09:38, Matej Cepl napsal(a):
Looks like a bad bug I was hit by as well. Try to comment out putting
clock on the gnome-shell black panel on the top in
/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/panel.js (see attached patch). Does it help?
and the second time with patch actually attached.
Matěj
--- panel.js.orig 2011-02-16 09:35:49.798554079 +0100
+++ panel.js 2011-02-16 09:34:37.400880195 +0100
@@ -688,10 +688,10 @@
this._menus.addMenu(appMenuButton.menu);
-/* center */
-this._dateMenu = new DateMenu.DateMenuButton();
-this._centerBox.add(this._dateMenu.actor, { y_fill: true });
-this._menus.addMenu(this._dateMenu.menu);
+// /* center */
+// this._dateMenu = new DateMenu.DateMenuButton();
+// this._centerBox.add(this._dateMenu.actor, { y_fill: true });
+// this._menus.addMenu(this._dateMenu.menu);
/* right */
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Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 22:34 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Do as you wish of course. I would suggest that you offer this as a option. A 'try this' and if it works *great* but if it blows up get easily back this way. The gnome 3 introduction could have been smoother. At the least some better help on what to do, as there were quirks for people already running rawhide. In general this has been a pretty sucky rawhide for me, but I really needed to use it to work on ogre and the lzma live image stuff. GNOME Shell has been available as a 'try this if you like' option for at least two releases now; we've even publicized it. So we actually did exactly what David suggested. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On 02/07/2011 01:18 AM, David wrote: On 2/6/2011 5:41 PM, Christopher Aillon wrote: On 02/06/2011 01:38 PM, David wrote: Well... this is one of the things we want to get out of the GNOME 3 test days. If you aren't getting either a shell or fallback mode, we need to know what hardware you're using so we can make sure it's handled appropriately. Filing a bug with a smolt profile would help with that, or check out the GNOME 3 test day page and enter your data there. Will there be a spin for us that already know that our hw is Gnome3 compatible without out all that backwards compatibility cruff that will give us a pristine Gnome3 experience? :) Well yeah. That part I understand. But.. As of late it seems to me that *some* not *all* devs have taken the attitude that 'you will accept what we think that you need' and you will be quiet'. A lot if not most of those decisions are made by the Gnome UI Designers not the developers themselves so a lot of existing *features* have not been coded out they simply no longer are exposed to the end user as an *option* in the UI but *power* users are still able to tweak those setting via gconf/dconf editors and some of that UI Design is debatable to say the least from ( my ) usage perspective. Or your hardware is really old and/or crappy so we no longer care about you. We currently support [1]. And the Linux that I first started using was a 'works for everyone' type of OS system. From the rich guy with the state of the art equipment to those less fortunate with older equipment or systems and slow dial-up access that is 'as good as it get here' in 'my country'. A people OS. Meant for all and not just mean for the privileged few. If you are running/relying on a steam powered technology then use *DE that are designed specially support that like XFCE or LXDE. Fallout Gnome users on older hw will only ensure healthy grows usage and community surrounding the other *DE . As I see it Gnome is taking unavoidable necessary steps to keep it self as a viable Desktop option in the *modern* age on a *modern* hw and from my perspective they are about 1 - 2 years to late in the game which is probably due to various reason like for other components not being in ready enough state for them to take these necessary steps. And from my perspective they should focus only as best as they can with integration and support on one platform GNU/Linux and stop supporting altogether any other *nix platform out there to be competitive to other Desktops on other OS out there. As I said. I can deal with this. But my mother could not. nor her husband. Nor my brother. Nor my sister. One out of five, 20%, in just my immediate family is not a good ratio. If Gnome is not suitable for you family usage is there anything preventing you from using any of the other *DE alternatives we ship? And why do you want to jump to F15 why don't you and or family just stick with F14 until it EOL's then check the status then? F14 was relativley feature less which many may consider a feature in it's self but given our current feature set that we are introducing in F15 to get the best experience out of those features you will need to be on relatively modern hw preferably with SSD drive ( to take fully advantage of Systemd ) and it's my personal recommendation to you should you decide to switch to F15 that you do not upgrade you current installation but rather back up you data and do a clean install for the F15 release and from that point on can choose to upgrade to newer Fedora releases. JBG 1. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Welcome_to_Fedora_14.html#sect-Release_Notes-Hardware_Overview -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On 2/6/2011 11:34 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 23:12:06 -0500, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: 5800 GTX card to work properly. The Linux drivers do not work as they should. For me. And something about the version of Xorg and this, or a combination of theses, makes major problems for me. Broke my desktop and the general Gnome 'expected to work things'. No one else has these problems? Maybe. More than likely 'no one else' *yet*! What for now? After the release? Best wishes. I agree that video driver support should be a higher priority in Fedora. I waste a lot of time in rawhide because of video driver regressions. Unfortunately it would take a long time for me to get good enough at video drivers and dropping what I work on now to help out there doesn't see to be a good idea. For some reason Fedora has serious problems with my old CRT monitor that is connected to my test machine. Fedora see 'nothing' while another distro that shall be nameless sees 1600x00 but not the maker. Since Fedora removed system-config-display I can no longer get a good 2D resolution and it takes real drivers for that. Also the Linux drivers do not control the GPU speed or the cooling fan speed. Do as you wish of course. I would suggest that you offer this as a option. A 'try this' and if it works *great* but if it blows up get easily back this way. The gnome 3 introduction could have been smoother. At the least some better help on what to do, as there were quirks for people already running rawhide. In general this has been a pretty sucky rawhide for me, but I really needed to use it to work on ogre and the lzma live image stuff. All of that *I* understand I have 'tried' development Linux install for 8-10 years and broken, stopped working, is crap, is an expected thing. This, however, without an opt-in or at least a very easy 'OMG it is killed!! Click-here [] to fix' is going to create a world of grief. . I appreecaite all of the work that you people do. Really. But there are times that I disagree with the marketing paths you take. The 'fallback' IMO should not be that but be a 'try this' with the 'fallback' defaulted if a failure happens. While I am not a fan of gnome 3 so far, I think that making it the default does fit with the Fedora development model. Again not a problem for me. i can fix this. But as long as those that can not fix this are not run off to other distributions. Or back to Windows. -- David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On 2/7/2011 4:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 02/07/2011 01:18 AM, David wrote: On 2/6/2011 5:41 PM, Christopher Aillon wrote: On 02/06/2011 01:38 PM, David wrote: Well... this is one of the things we want to get out of the GNOME 3 test days. If you aren't getting either a shell or fallback mode, we need to know what hardware you're using so we can make sure it's handled appropriately. Filing a bug with a smolt profile would help with that, or check out the GNOME 3 test day page and enter your data there. Will there be a spin for us that already know that our hw is Gnome3 compatible without out all that backwards compatibility cruff that will give us a pristine Gnome3 experience? :) Well yeah. That part I understand. But.. As of late it seems to me that *some* not *all* devs have taken the attitude that 'you will accept what we think that you need' and you will be quiet'. A lot if not most of those decisions are made by the Gnome UI Designers not the developers themselves so a lot of existing *features* have not been coded out they simply no longer are exposed to the end user as an *option* in the UI but *power* users are still able to tweak those setting via gconf/dconf editors and some of that UI Design is debatable to say the least from ( my ) usage perspective. Or your hardware is really old and/or crappy so we no longer care about you. We currently support [1]. And the Linux that I first started using was a 'works for everyone' type of OS system. From the rich guy with the state of the art equipment to those less fortunate with older equipment or systems and slow dial-up access that is 'as good as it get here' in 'my country'. A people OS. Meant for all and not just mean for the privileged few. If you are running/relying on a steam powered technology then use *DE that are designed specially support that like XFCE or LXDE. Fallout Gnome users on older hw will only ensure healthy grows usage and community surrounding the other *DE . As I see it Gnome is taking unavoidable necessary steps to keep it self as a viable Desktop option in the *modern* age on a *modern* hw and from my perspective they are about 1 - 2 years to late in the game which is probably due to various reason like for other components not being in ready enough state for them to take these necessary steps. And from my perspective they should focus only as best as they can with integration and support on one platform GNU/Linux and stop supporting altogether any other *nix platform out there to be competitive to other Desktops on other OS out there. As I said. I can deal with this. But my mother could not. nor her husband. Nor my brother. Nor my sister. One out of five, 20%, in just my immediate family is not a good ratio. If Gnome is not suitable for you family usage is there anything preventing you from using any of the other *DE alternatives we ship? And why do you want to jump to F15 why don't you and or family just stick with F14 until it EOL's then check the status then? F14 was relativley feature less which many may consider a feature in it's self but given our current feature set that we are introducing in F15 to get the best experience out of those features you will need to be on relatively modern hw preferably with SSD drive ( to take fully advantage of Systemd ) and it's my personal recommendation to you should you decide to switch to F15 that you do not upgrade you current installation but rather back up you data and do a clean install for the F15 release and from that point on can choose to upgrade to newer Fedora releases. JBG 1. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Welcome_to_Fedora_14.html#sect-Release_Notes-Hardware_Overview steam powered technology. This is pretty much what I was talking about here. My 'real' machine, the one that I use for work, is modern within 12 months. My 'made from taken out parts' machine is not. As I said I can deal with that. But there are others in the Fedora Community, no offense meant to anyone here, that are not in a position to deal with the 'latest and greatest eye-candy Desktops. First came KDE 4.x. And now come Gnome 3. At least the 'fancy fluff' in KDE is easily disabled. It sounds like Gnome 3 can not. Is that true? There are always users on the Fedora Users list with older equipment looking for help. What is your answer to them when they discover that their 8-10 year old computer is 5 years too old when it is the best that they have? Or can afford? Go buy a new computer? Or will it be - Go away? That would be sad. Do as you wish. I am sure that you will. But IMO the default should work. Or the fallback should be auto-magic with a polite explanation to the user of what just happened. -- David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On 02/07/2011 12:29 PM, David wrote: steam powered technology. This is pretty much what I was talking about here. My 'real' machine, the one that I use for work, is modern within 12 months. My 'made from taken out parts' machine is not. As I said I can deal with that. But there are others in the Fedora Community, no offense meant to anyone here, that are not in a position to deal with the 'latest and greatest eye-candy Desktops. First came KDE 4.x. And now come Gnome 3. At least the 'fancy fluff' in KDE is easily disabled. It sounds like Gnome 3 can not. Is that true? Well I'm pretty sure you can force Gnome3 in compatibility mode ( worst case scenario remove mutter/gnome-shell that I believe should suffice ) but if you want too but it should not be necessary since it should fallback automatically to that mode if your HW does not support Gnome Shell but I'm pretty sure that compatibility mode will not give you the same end user experience ( it did not for me when I hit it playing around in rawhide it looked like this [1] ) as you have with gnome 2.x. and eventually in the long run I'm pretty sure they will remove that backwards compatibility altogether. There are always users on the Fedora Users list with older equipment looking for help. What is your answer to them when they discover that their 8-10 year old computer is 5 years too old when it is the best that they have? Or can afford? Go buy a new computer? Or will it be - Go away? That would be sad. Any particular reason you refuse to accept XFCE and LXDE as alternatives to run on old hardware it is after all part of their target user base and those users should simply be directed their way... Do as you wish. I am sure that you will. But IMO the default should work. Or the fallback should be auto-magic with a polite explanation to the user of what just happened. It should if not do as Christopher mentioned and remember bugs that don't get reported wont get fixed... If you aren't getting either a shell or fallback mode, we need to know what hardware you're using so we can make sure it's handled appropriately. Filing a bug with a smolt profile would help with that. Not a bad idea providing a polite explanation which asks users to upgrade their hw or refer them to use alternatives to Gnome such as XFCE and LXDE which might be better suited to run on their old hw.. JBG 1. http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=180036 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 18:01 +, Paul F. Johnson wrote: Hi, I'm having two problems on two different boxes, both running rawhide. Problem 1 (my main box) - whoever decided to remove the default applications thing from the menu, please put it back. I can understand the rational, but it currently means that on firing up my desktop, I don't have nautilus running as soon as I log in which is an absolute pain. I have to configure my sound every time to use the soundblaster rather than the on board card and it's generally just annoying. Is there a way that I can set the start up applications now? The same way the old app used to do it, but by hand. The login items preferences for the user accounts panel isn't implemented yet. Problem 2 (laptop). Gnome is dead. I can use KDE for my desktop but gnome, irrespective of the user, gives me a blue stripy screen and that's it. I've tried creating a new user in case it was my settings, but nope, blue stripy screen. I am not sure if it's related to gnome-do (I installed it, didn't like it, yum removed it) removing something it shouldn't have, but it does mean my laptop, unless using KDE, is no use. Login at the console, and check your ~/.xsession-errors. My guess is that there's a mismatch between the mutter, or gnome-shell plugins and the gtk3 package installed (I saw this on my laptop as well). Upgrading the machine should fix it. Cheers -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
David Boles wrote: For some reason Fedora has serious problems with my old CRT monitor is connected to my test machine. Fedora see 'nothing' while another distro that shall be nameless sees 1600x00 but not the maker. Since Fedora removed system-config-display I can no longer get a good 2D resolution and it takes real drivers for that. This is either because: a) there's a timing bug in the DDC code that we're hitting and they're not, b) your monitor no longer works with DDC (or never did) and they're installing enough xorg.conf to compensate. The former is a bug, and you could detect if it were the case by comparing the X logs from the two OSes. If one prints an EDID block and the other does not, there you go. For the other, feel free to hack s-c-d into shape, or (more preferably) add the support to gnome-display-properties or whatever your DE's tool of choice for that is. (Actually now that I'm re-reading you, it's not clear if you're using real drivers and the Linux drivers to refer to different things, for example, nvidia versus nouveau. If that's what you're doing, and nvidia is succeeding at DDC where we're not, then the RE challenge seems pretty obvious.) Also the Linux drivers do not control the GPU speed or the cooling fan speed. This may well be true, but it's hardly fair to blame Fedora for that. - ajax -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 18:01:58 +, Paul F. Johnson p...@all-the-johnsons.co.uk wrote: Any help on fixing these issues, please let me know - they're both driving me mad!! metacity and gnome-panel seem to be getting started as a fallnack when gnome-shell isn't installed now. So refreshing from an up to date mirror will probably take care of this for you. Otherwise: Login using gdm (the GUI login program). Use ctrl alt F2 to get a vt. Login as the same use as above. Run: export DISPLAY=:0.0 metacity gnome-panel logout Then us ctrl F1 or ctrl F7 (depends on where your X session ended up) to get back to your X session. You should have a panel when you do. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On 2/6/2011 3:48 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 18:01:58 +, Paul F. Johnson p...@all-the-johnsons.co.uk wrote: Any help on fixing these issues, please let me know - they're both driving me mad!! metacity and gnome-panel seem to be getting started as a fallnack when gnome-shell isn't installed now. So refreshing from an up to date mirror will probably take care of this for you. Otherwise: Login using gdm (the GUI login program). Use ctrl alt F2 to get a vt. Login as the same use as above. Run: export DISPLAY=:0.0 metacity gnome-panel logout Then us ctrl F1 or ctrl F7 (depends on where your X session ended up) to get back to your X session. You should have a panel when you do. Really? So can we 'assume' that this will be automagic for Joe/Jane Average_user when they upgrade from a previously working just fine Fedora release using Gnome 2.x? -- David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On 02/06/2011 01:38 PM, David wrote: On 2/6/2011 3:48 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 18:01:58 +, Paul F. Johnsonp...@all-the-johnsons.co.uk wrote: Any help on fixing these issues, please let me know - they're both driving me mad!! metacity and gnome-panel seem to be getting started as a fallnack when gnome-shell isn't installed now. So refreshing from an up to date mirror will probably take care of this for you. Otherwise: Login using gdm (the GUI login program). Use ctrl alt F2 to get a vt. Login as the same use as above. Run: export DISPLAY=:0.0 metacity gnome-panel logout Then us ctrl F1 or ctrl F7 (depends on where your X session ended up) to get back to your X session. You should have a panel when you do. Really? So can we 'assume' that this will be automagic for Joe/Jane Average_user when they upgrade from a previously working just fine Fedora release using Gnome 2.x? Well... this is one of the things we want to get out of the GNOME 3 test days. If you aren't getting either a shell or fallback mode, we need to know what hardware you're using so we can make sure it's handled appropriately. Filing a bug with a smolt profile would help with that, or check out the GNOME 3 test day page and enter your data there. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On 2/6/2011 5:41 PM, Christopher Aillon wrote: On 02/06/2011 01:38 PM, David wrote: Well... this is one of the things we want to get out of the GNOME 3 test days. If you aren't getting either a shell or fallback mode, we need to know what hardware you're using so we can make sure it's handled appropriately. Filing a bug with a smolt profile would help with that, or check out the GNOME 3 test day page and enter your data there. Well yeah. That part I understand. But.. As of late it seems to me that *some* not *all* devs have taken the attitude that 'you will accept what we think that you need' and you will be quiet'. Or your hardware is really old and/or crappy so we no longer care about you. And the Linux that I first started using was a 'works for everyone' type of OS system. From the rich guy with the state of the art equipment to those less fortunate with older equipment or systems and slow dial-up access that is 'as good as it get here' in 'my country'. A people OS. Meant for all and not just mean for the privileged few. I don't need to file a bug about my problem. I already know what my problem with Gnome 3 is. Video drivers and dev level xorg. And I have the solution(s). My concern is for those that can not deal with this 'forced' change. Your product is free. one can not sell a product that is broken. But you also can not give a way something that people can not use. Think about that concept a moment. As I said. I can deal with this. But my mother could not. nor her husband. Nor my brother. Nor my sister. One out of five, 20%, in just my immediate family is not a good ratio. -- David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 20:18:40 -0500, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: My concern is for those that can not deal with this 'forced' change. Your product is free. one can not sell a product that is broken. But you also can not give a way something that people can not use. The plan has always been that you get a fallback to metacity and gnome-panel if you don't have gnome-shell or do not have good enough 3d support. It just seemed like things took a bit longer than hoped. People worked hard to try to get things ready for the test day. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On 2/6/2011 10:45 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 20:18:40 -0500, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: My concern is for those that can not deal with this 'forced' change. Your product is free. one can not sell a product that is broken. But you also can not give a way something that people can not use. The plan has always been that you get a fallback to metacity and gnome-panel if you don't have gnome-shell or do not have good enough 3d support. It just seemed like things took a bit longer than hoped. People worked hard to try to get things ready for the test day. Test day. Sure i will accept that 'rest day ' and release day' are good goals. I switched to XFCE two months, maybe longer ago, whenever it was that this Gnome 3 or gnome-shell 'thing' first appeared in Rawhide. Why? Becasue it broke my desktop. Actually I am not exactly sure why but I know that I need *real* Nvidia drivers for my reasonably modern GeForce 5800 GTX card to work properly. The Linux drivers do not work as they should. For me. And something about the version of Xorg and this, or a combination of theses, makes major problems for me. Broke my desktop and the general Gnome 'expected to work things'. No one else has these problems? Maybe. More than likely 'no one else' *yet*! What for now? After the release? Best wishes. Do as you wish of course. I would suggest that you offer this as a option. A 'try this' and if it works *great* but if it blows up get easily back this way. I appreecaite all of the work that you people do. Really. But there are times that I disagree with the marketing paths you take. The 'fallback' IMO should not be that but be a 'try this' with the 'fallback' defaulted if a failure happens. -- David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
...snip... I would just like to note that this is pre ALPHA rawhide. There are periods where rawhide is unstable when many new things are landing and we are in one of them right now. To try and extrapolate what would happen if F15 was released with the current issues you have noted is foolish, since we wouldn't be releasing it in that state, and have about 13 weeks to get things ready for release. So, I would urge calm and assistance with testing and helping folks get stuff landed and ready for release. :) kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 23:12:06 -0500, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: 5800 GTX card to work properly. The Linux drivers do not work as they should. For me. And something about the version of Xorg and this, or a combination of theses, makes major problems for me. Broke my desktop and the general Gnome 'expected to work things'. No one else has these problems? Maybe. More than likely 'no one else' *yet*! What for now? After the release? Best wishes. I agree that video driver support should be a higher priority in Fedora. I waste a lot of time in rawhide because of video driver regressions. Unfortunately it would take a long time for me to get good enough at video drivers and dropping what I work on now to help out there doesn't see to be a good idea. Do as you wish of course. I would suggest that you offer this as a option. A 'try this' and if it works *great* but if it blows up get easily back this way. The gnome 3 introduction could have been smoother. At the least some better help on what to do, as there were quirks for people already running rawhide. In general this has been a pretty sucky rawhide for me, but I really needed to use it to work on ogre and the lzma live image stuff. I appreecaite all of the work that you people do. Really. But there are times that I disagree with the marketing paths you take. The 'fallback' IMO should not be that but be a 'try this' with the 'fallback' defaulted if a failure happens. While I am not a fan of gnome 3 so far, I think that making it the default does fit with the Fedora development model. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Rawhide is annoying me!
On 2/6/2011 11:34 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 23:12:06 -0500, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: 5800 GTX card to work properly. The Linux drivers do not work as they should. For me. And something about the version of Xorg and this, or a combination of theses, makes major problems for me. Broke my desktop and the general Gnome 'expected to work things'. No one else has these problems? Maybe. More than likely 'no one else' *yet*! What for now? After the release? Best wishes. I agree that video driver support should be a higher priority in Fedora. I waste a lot of time in rawhide because of video driver regressions. Unfortunately it would take a long time for me to get good enough at video drivers and dropping what I work on now to help out there doesn't see to be a good idea. For some reason Fedora has serious problems with my older CRT monitor that is connected to my test machine. Fedora see 'nothing' while another distro that shall be nameless sees 1600x1200 but not the maker. Since Fedora removed system-config-display I can no longer get a good 2D resolution and it takes real drivers for that. Also the Linux drivers do not control the GPU speed or the cooling fan speed. And that does not surprise me either. I do not expect them to do that. Do as you wish of course. I would suggest that you offer this as a option. A 'try this' and if it works *great* but if it blows up get easily back this way. The gnome 3 introduction could have been smoother. At the least some better help on what to do, as there were quirks for people already running rawhide. In general this has been a pretty sucky rawhide for me, but I really needed to use it to work on ogre and the lzma live image stuff. All of that *I* understand I have 'tried' development Linux install for 8-10 years and broken, stopped working, is crap, is an expected thing. This, however, without an opt-in or at least a very easy 'OMG it is killed!! Click-here [] to fix' is going to create a world of grief. . I appreecaite all of the work that you people do. Really. But there are times that I disagree with the marketing paths you take. The 'fallback' IMO should not be that but be a 'try this' with the 'fallback' defaulted if a failure happens. While I am not a fan of gnome 3 so far, I think that making it the default does fit with the Fedora development model. Again not a problem for me. i can fix this. But as long as those that can not fix this are not run off to other distributions. Or back to Windows. -- David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Rawhide is annoying me!
Hi, I'm having two problems on two different boxes, both running rawhide. Problem 1 (my main box) - whoever decided to remove the default applications thing from the menu, please put it back. I can understand the rational, but it currently means that on firing up my desktop, I don't have nautilus running as soon as I log in which is an absolute pain. I have to configure my sound every time to use the soundblaster rather than the on board card and it's generally just annoying. Is there a way that I can set the start up applications now? Problem 2 (laptop). Gnome is dead. I can use KDE for my desktop but gnome, irrespective of the user, gives me a blue stripy screen and that's it. I've tried creating a new user in case it was my settings, but nope, blue stripy screen. I am not sure if it's related to gnome-do (I installed it, didn't like it, yum removed it) removing something it shouldn't have, but it does mean my laptop, unless using KDE, is no use. Any help on fixing these issues, please let me know - they're both driving me mad!! -- Vertraue mir, ich weiss, was ich mache... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
