Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Thank you very much for your feedback! So it seems that a dedicated Astronomy Spin will be a benefit for Fedora :) @Software bundles: There may be two of them: Observational Astronomy and Astronomical Data Analysis On 29.06.2015 14:37, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 10:45:31PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: I agree. The professional and amateur Astronomy community is a large one, and having a spin targetting that community directly would be a very good marketing move. I am very much for this (and not an Astronomer). I like the idea also, and by suggesting alternatives I didn't mean to indicate a tepid opinion. I agree too. I don't think the bootable spin is a bad thing, but it'd also be nice to present the software as a curated bundle in GNOME Software (and potentially equivalently in other desktops). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVkT5rAAoJEBBKnjfuht0lxYcQAIhTHkEMHCfM1vVhCwW8DPcW eGWpedV5IF7oDBQhtqFrcMuDHKhz+kie0CXdZCSTjbR8k7LDUFw9c3TF5p97ZUet YncL9yaok5wt6ttjU9AD6UY581A00+hxfhpLVw5O0mfYEBSrngBBC1R0BzD5iR9r E6tO1DjvpKcAiT6fI4Zw7m4R32KTT8zeAuGFK+/wyvcajs+T2vBjPQbbRW+3olcF x33H9qRU/3kS0BmP0DPdXQhk4PtruPsqGaiBQAXmgWL8lMUbrESsdLY/kYtKZzIf ZrRg6aGnFzHEWM/UA0RgLOV/MP2rxvdZ3YRYFDxF6qoOtU+dsq9Ny1b12vx4fYaj XgI1wvv0E7t738tWfNgZQa06Bdv8ZLO/uwkLkbgooEl7SD0OonFtzJX37Lb/GIh5 lVJoOwTtkd6vMFP5JoeLSCvy7p7a/r/71NL3yPChATosLhehrsIbQVka/nhbNzr8 y/WfzSE7hqmF1724B45NqWHUeUpgAvkOI8nsMueA9M1ZO5tqta1HsneYnc4RiaPE S+eqfJXVQO7MMyeNGwfrR0KzZAsvxtxrbb/unXWgW/6Swk/qY2RiJjwZy4CHZsAJ XVZci5ylcOGVnNOeTs9V0xDfr/2qZxf8bfLiRw9IQ4yd1gNfbGyGDlP2tPNduocL +nZAB9mvWinxFvxLABcD =TKZc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 10:45:31PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: I agree. The professional and amateur Astronomy community is a large one, and having a spin targetting that community directly would be a very good marketing move. I am very much for this (and not an Astronomer). I like the idea also, and by suggesting alternatives I didn't mean to indicate a tepid opinion. I agree too. I don't think the bootable spin is a bad thing, but it'd also be nice to present the software as a curated bundle in GNOME Software (and potentially equivalently in other desktops). -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:41:04AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 10:32 -0400, Jan Kurik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Astronomy_Spin Change owner(s): Christian Dersch lupinix at mailbox dot org A Fedora Spin providing a complete toolchain for both amateur and professional astronomers. == Detailed Description == In both amateur and professional astronomy and astrophysics Linux is a very popular operating system. More and more data analysis is performed using Python, especially the astropy project is a quite new effort providing a professional toolchain. The Astronomy Spin provides a complete scientific Python environment (2 and 3) as well as the AstrOmatic software. For observational astronomy, KStars provides a complete solution for astrophotography using the INDI library. In addition to an astronomical collection of packages the spin also adds a menu for astronomy to make work more comfortable. == Scope == * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Release engineering: Add spin to spin-kickstarts, ensure spin has been tested, and release with rest of spins * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Trademark approval: Requested I don't really see what benefit there is to having a spin for this. Agreed. It would be better to put effort in packaging Astromatic and possibly more astronomy software. It sounds like it might be just as effective to work with the GNOME Software folks on getting an Astronomy Tools group in the Software app made highly visible. This would just be a matter of providing good appdata. kstars already has a nice appdata file. When Astromatic is packaged, it should get one too. We could then just advertise Astronomy-related functionality as a new feature of Workstation. ... or any other product or spin. Zbyszek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Christian Dersch lupi...@mailbox.org wrote: Additional info: Of course an Astronomy Tools group is a nice idea too! But it doesn't replace the Spin as the download, boot and try it idea doesn't work without a spin. A possible work around: It's possible to install the group with live media without installing it. That may not work too well when you are far away from the cities to avoid light pollution; also, the read-write overlay on live media has a not-that-large maximum size (500 MB)? For off-line use, a ready-to-go USB stick could be quite useful. Mirek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Christian Dersch lupi...@mailbox.org wrote: Additional info: Of course an Astronomy Tools group is a nice idea too! But it doesn't replace the Spin as the download, boot and try it idea doesn't work without a spin. A possible work around: It's possible to install the group with live media without installing it. That may not work too well when you are far away from the cities to avoid light pollution; also, the read-write overlay on live media has a not-that-large maximum size (500 MB)? Off topic kinda, but really? I've had litd --overlay-size-mb set to 1500 and it hasn't complained. I haven't actually filled it beyond 500MB, I don't think. If litd allows me to set it to a value above 500MB and then I get some fatal implosion later, that's not good. -- Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Seems like the easiest path would be to make sure all the astronomy packages land on the Science / KDE spin that already exists and do a lot of marketing / blogging / etc. to a targeted group of citizen astronomers. For that matter, maybe their should be a rebranding of the spin as Fedora for Citizen Scientists. What's the problem with having a dedicated Astronomy spin? The thing is that KStars is quite large (it contains a lot of data), as are the other scientific applications when taken together. Having both on one big spin is not necessarily the best approach. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
A Fedora for Citizen Scientists spin may be confused with my spin in development, Fedora Netizen, a portmanteau of internet and citizen. Suggest sticking with Fedora Astronomy or as an alternative, Fedora Space, for reducing any confusion between the two spins. On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:38 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@znmeb.net wrote: Seems like the easiest path would be to make sure all the astronomy packages land on the Science / KDE spin that already exists and do a lot of marketing / blogging / etc. to a targeted group of citizen astronomers. For that matter, maybe their should be a rebranding of the spin as Fedora for Citizen Scientists. On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Jonathan Wakely jwak...@redhat.com wrote: On 26/06/15 15:11 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: What about a Scientific Astronomy spin? Looks like Scientific uses KDE though, *shrug*. I thought the point is that basing Astronomy on KDE is preferable, so that's a Good Thing, surely? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- OSJourno: Robust Power Tools for Digital Journalists http://www.znmeb.mobi/stories/osjourno-robust-power-tools-for-digital-journalists Remember, if you're traveling to Bactria, Hump Day is Tuesday and Thursday. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- Corey Leong, M.N.M., M.A.* PO Box 691871 Orlando, FL 32869 email: cle...@fedoraproject.org co...@corey.leong.name web: http://coreyleong.org blog: http://blog.coreyleong.org tweet: http://twitter.com/coreyleong phone: (407) 279-1133 skype: coreyleong -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
On 28 June 2015 at 23:54, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Seems like the easiest path would be to make sure all the astronomy packages land on the Science / KDE spin that already exists and do a lot of marketing / blogging / etc. to a targeted group of citizen astronomers. For that matter, maybe their should be a rebranding of the spin as Fedora for Citizen Scientists. What's the problem with having a dedicated Astronomy spin? The thing is that KStars is quite large (it contains a lot of data), as are the other scientific applications when taken together. Having both on one big spin is not necessarily the best approach. I agree. The professional and amateur Astronomy community is a large one, and having a spin targetting that community directly would be a very good marketing move. I am very much for this (and not an Astronomer). -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Jonathan Underwood jonathan.underw...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 June 2015 at 23:54, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Seems like the easiest path would be to make sure all the astronomy packages land on the Science / KDE spin that already exists and do a lot of marketing / blogging / etc. to a targeted group of citizen astronomers. For that matter, maybe their should be a rebranding of the spin as Fedora for Citizen Scientists. What's the problem with having a dedicated Astronomy spin? The thing is that KStars is quite large (it contains a lot of data), as are the other scientific applications when taken together. Having both on one big spin is not necessarily the best approach. I agree. The professional and amateur Astronomy community is a large one, and having a spin targetting that community directly would be a very good marketing move. I am very much for this (and not an Astronomer). I like the idea also, and by suggesting alternatives I didn't mean to indicate a tepid opinion. -- Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
On 26/06/15 15:11 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: What about a Scientific Astronomy spin? Looks like Scientific uses KDE though, *shrug*. I thought the point is that basing Astronomy on KDE is preferable, so that's a Good Thing, surely? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
Seems like the easiest path would be to make sure all the astronomy packages land on the Science / KDE spin that already exists and do a lot of marketing / blogging / etc. to a targeted group of citizen astronomers. For that matter, maybe their should be a rebranding of the spin as Fedora for Citizen Scientists. On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Jonathan Wakely jwak...@redhat.com wrote: On 26/06/15 15:11 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: What about a Scientific Astronomy spin? Looks like Scientific uses KDE though, *shrug*. I thought the point is that basing Astronomy on KDE is preferable, so that's a Good Thing, surely? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- OSJourno: Robust Power Tools for Digital Journalists http://www.znmeb.mobi/stories/osjourno-robust-power-tools-for-digital-journalists Remember, if you're traveling to Bactria, Hump Day is Tuesday and Thursday. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 10:32 -0400, Jan Kurik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Astronomy_Spin Change owner(s): Christian Dersch lupinix at mailbox dot org A Fedora Spin providing a complete toolchain for both amateur and professional astronomers. == Detailed Description == In both amateur and professional astronomy and astrophysics Linux is a very popular operating system. More and more data analysis is performed using Python, especially the astropy project is a quite new effort providing a professional toolchain. The Astronomy Spin provides a complete scientific Python environment (2 and 3) as well as the AstrOmatic software. For observational astronomy, KStars provides a complete solution for astrophotography using the INDI library. In addition to an astronomical collection of packages the spin also adds a menu for astronomy to make work more comfortable. == Scope == * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Release engineering: Add spin to spin-kickstarts, ensure spin has been tested, and release with rest of spins * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Trademark approval: Requested I don't really see what benefit there is to having a spin for this. It sounds like it might be just as effective to work with the GNOME Software folks on getting an Astronomy Tools group in the Software app made highly visible. We could then just advertise Astronomy-related functionality as a new feature of Workstation. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
I already thought about a Scientific Astronomy, but I don't know a nice way to promote it. Astronomy is also just science… But if we only call it Scientific, we loose the amateurs. I'm an astronomer and physics student (= I promote Scientific Spin quite often at courses) and know the communities in astronomy and astrophysics quite well. Many people are looking for a special Linux for astronomy, so I think we need something with Astronomy in its name. And you really need something which is ready to use. When you say You just have to install this and this you start losing people again. This is my experience and I started with a Fedora Astronomy Remix about two years ago, many people in local community use Fedora now. Because of this success I want to make it available as an official contribution and tribute to Fedora. So IMHO it's not only a question of package collection, but also a question of marketing. On 06/26/2015 11:11 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Christian Dersch lupi...@mailbox.org wrote: Additional info: Of course an Astronomy Tools group is a nice idea too! But it doesn't replace the Spin as the download, boot and try it idea doesn't work without a spin. A possible work around: It's possible to install the group with live media without installing it. To make it persistent, the promotion can include a tip on creating a persistent overlay at the time the media is created. Then people can try and retry as well as share it. What about a Scientific Astronomy spin? Looks like Scientific uses KDE though, *shrug*. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Christian Dersch lupi...@mailbox.org wrote: Additional info: Of course an Astronomy Tools group is a nice idea too! But it doesn't replace the Spin as the download, boot and try it idea doesn't work without a spin. A possible work around: It's possible to install the group with live media without installing it. To make it persistent, the promotion can include a tip on creating a persistent overlay at the time the media is created. Then people can try and retry as well as share it. What about a Scientific Astronomy spin? Looks like Scientific uses KDE though, *shrug*. -- Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin
Additional info: Of course an Astronomy Tools group is a nice idea too! But it doesn't replace the Spin as the download, boot and try it idea doesn't work without a spin. On 06/26/2015 10:28 PM, Christian Dersch wrote: Hi, I'm the change owner. The benefit is a ready to work Fedora for astronomers. One special reason for the KDE desktop is KStars. It is part of the KDE project and the leading free software for observatory control. There are no Gtk equivalents and I really don't want to ship a GNOME-based spin and then add a huge bunch of KDE software. With KStars and INDI it is possible to boot your system using the Spin, just connect telescope and camera and then have fun :) This is very nice to get new Fedora users in field of amateur astronomy. Many of them say Linux is so complicated..., with a Spin just give them a live medium and let them play with it. You could also have a look at http://indilib.org/, especially the Forum. KStars/Ekos is the most commonly used software in this field. Additional Information: We are currently discussing about a modified title: https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/35#comment:2 Greetings, Christian On Fri Jun 26 14:41:04 UTC 2015, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 10:32 -0400, Jan Kurik wrote: / = Proposed Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin = // https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Astronomy_Spin // // Change owner(s): Christian Dersch lupinix at mailbox dot org // // A Fedora Spin providing a complete toolchain for both amateur and // professional astronomers. // // // == Detailed Description == // In both amateur and professional astronomy and astrophysics Linux is // a very popular operating system. More and more data analysis is // performed using Python, especially the astropy project is a quite new // effort providing a professional toolchain. The Astronomy Spin // provides a complete scientific Python environment (2 and 3) as well // as the AstrOmatic software. For observational astronomy, KStars // provides a complete solution for astrophotography using the INDI // library. In addition to an astronomical collection of packages the // spin also adds a menu for astronomy to make work more comfortable. // // // == Scope == // * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) // * Release engineering: Add spin to spin-kickstarts, ensure spin has // been tested, and release with rest of spins // * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change) // * Trademark approval: Requested / I don't really see what benefit there is to having a spin for this. It sounds like it might be just as effective to work with the GNOME Software folks on getting an Astronomy Tools group in the Software app made highly visible. We could then just advertise Astronomy-related functionality as a new feature of Workstation. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
