Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
Juha Tuomala wrote: I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase back to the one that can actually be used? And what to do with the already migrated data? And the data users added after migration? I don't think reverting is feasible at this point (and I agree our kde ML would be a better place to discuss this). Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 15:53 +0200, Thomas Janssen wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Juha Tuomala juha.tuom...@iki.fi wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Ryan Rix wrote: On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala wrote: I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase back to the one that can actually be used? Sure, try `man yum`. You mean that we're here to solve our own problems, not to make a good distribution for great public? We *have* a good distribution for great public. Kaddressbook works as expected for me. Please take the request seriously. If Tuju is right that most users would be better off with the older version, then that's what Fedora should ship. Tuju, if you can possibly be bothered to list some of the regressions you consider most severe, that might help the discussion. A general complain, about a software being completely unusable, without pointing out a single problem (not to speak of the masses of problems he sees), recommending to downgrade a single app out of a software bundle, because it would be better for *most* users, can't be taken seriously. Sorry. We also have a fedora-kde ML for KDE related discussions. That's as well the place where fedora contributors read and help with problems. So if you want to help tuju further, please do it at the appropriate mailinglist. Thank you. -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, Rex Dieter wrote: are a lot of other packages and issues and bugs involved here. Reverting even part or all as you suggest would have far bigger bad consequences than helping That's what I thought, it's not just a matter of yumming older stuff back. Secondly, majority of endusers just update their systems, they have no glue how to revert some packages back. fix the primary bug/app at issue here. yes, the question is exactly fixing the application or developing it further rather than fixing some crash. The whole application has been rewritten, with new user interface, dialogs and features. For example, entry name handling has changed completely. Now you can't sort names based on lastname in listing, nor edit them separately in edit dialog. There are tens of this kind of changes that behave differently, but also changes in feature set. Now, as storage has been separated, perhaps it could have been possible to provide this new rewritten version as pre-view package aside the old one. Or later on, have the old one as fallback to access that same functionality and provide feedback for the new one. Fact is... qa'ing this, in updates-testing or kde-testing or whatever, and finding the root cause(s), in part failed to catch this in time (prior to push to stable updates). The best (and honestly only) way forward is to better document things (userbase.kde.org ftw!) and to continue working toward the goal noble of making everything just work. Based on previous one (to which i gave tens of feedback suggestions) it will take years, my guess is 4-6 years to get this current one back to stage where the old one was. I've a feeling that nobody is continously developing it in upstream. Changes come in this kind of rewrites and fall back to very slow period again. Tuju -- I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Juha Tuomala juha.tuom...@iki.fi wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Ryan Rix wrote: On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala wrote: I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase back to the one that can actually be used? Sure, try `man yum`. You mean that we're here to solve our own problems, not to make a good distribution for great public? We *have* a good distribution for great public. Kaddressbook works as expected for me. If you have a problem with it, ask for help and you get help. You got the right answer for what you asked. *You* want the older version. Good luck downgrading and have fun with it. -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
On Wed 14 April 2010 6:53:24 am Thomas Janssen wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Juha Tuomala juha.tuom...@iki.fi wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Ryan Rix wrote: On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala wrote: I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase back to the one that can actually be used? Sure, try `man yum`. You mean that we're here to solve our own problems, not to make a good distribution for great public? We *have* a good distribution for great public. Kaddressbook works as expected for me. If you have a problem with it, ask for help and you get help. You got the right answer for what you asked. *You* want the older version. Good luck downgrading and have fun with it. I suggested that Juha fix his issue by downgrading simply because of this. He was the same person who has been complaining about KAddressbook in 4.4 since its initial release, two months ago. Ryan -- Ryan Rix == http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://rix.si/ == signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 15:53 +0200, Thomas Janssen wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Juha Tuomala juha.tuom...@iki.fi wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Ryan Rix wrote: On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala wrote: I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase back to the one that can actually be used? Sure, try `man yum`. You mean that we're here to solve our own problems, not to make a good distribution for great public? We *have* a good distribution for great public. Kaddressbook works as expected for me. Please take the request seriously. If Tuju is right that most users would be better off with the older version, then that's what Fedora should ship. Tuju, if you can possibly be bothered to list some of the regressions you consider most severe, that might help the discussion. I have no experience with kaddressbook, but I had a similar experience in October 2008 with Evolution 2.24. There, the merging of the disk summary code before it was anything near release quality caused many regressions, including breaking threaded search folders, which I rely on heavily. Unfortunately, Evolution 2.22 had many equally severe bugs (notably a crash when editing a sorted task list), so by pursuing disk-summary in 2.24 rather than just fixing bugs, upstream left Fedora between a rock and a hard place. I filed a bug requesting a reversion to 2.22, which may have been a bad idea on the whole but IMO deserved more consideration than the knee-jerk WONTFIX it got: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468950 -- Matt -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
Matt McCutchen wrote: Please take the request seriously. If Tuju is right that most users would be better off with the older version, then that's what Fedora should ship. I appreciate the comment, but that oversimplifies things quite a bit. there are a lot of other packages and issues and bugs involved here. Reverting even part or all as you suggest would have far bigger bad consequences than helping fix the primary bug/app at issue here. Fact is... qa'ing this, in updates-testing or kde-testing or whatever, and finding the root cause(s), in part failed to catch this in time (prior to push to stable updates). The best (and honestly only) way forward is to better document things (userbase.kde.org ftw!) and to continue working toward the goal noble of making everything just work. -- Rex -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 15:51 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: Matt McCutchen wrote: Please take the request seriously. If Tuju is right that most users would be better off with the older version, then that's what Fedora should ship. I appreciate the comment, but that oversimplifies things quite a bit. there are a lot of other packages and issues and bugs involved here. Reverting even part or all as you suggest would have far bigger bad consequences than helping fix the primary bug/app at issue here. Fact is... qa'ing this, in updates-testing or kde-testing or whatever, and finding the root cause(s), in part failed to catch this in time (prior to push to stable updates). The best (and honestly only) way forward is to better document things (userbase.kde.org ftw!) and to continue working toward the goal noble of making everything just work. I'm not oversimplifying: by most users would be better with the older version, I meant to include such integration consequences. I'll believe you that the answer is no. You should have given this answer to Tuju's original question rather than snippily dismissing it. -- Matt -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 17:03 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: You should have given this answer to Tuju's original question rather than snippily dismissing it. Whoops, sorry, I confused Rex Dieter with Ryan Rix. That remark was meant for Ryan, not Rex. -- Matt -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Ryan Rix wrote: On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala wrote: I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase back to the one that can actually be used? Sure, try `man yum`. You mean that we're here to solve our own problems, not to make a good distribution for great public? Tuju -- I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 16:40 +0300, Juha Tuomala wrote: I feel that the current re-written version of kaddressbook is completely useless for daily work and it was a serious mistake to push it into stable release. I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase back to the one that can actually be used? This current one has so many regressions that I'm not even going to bother myself by starting to make a list, everyone using that application knows what I'm talking about. It would be best to ask on the KDE list or in #fedora-kde, I think. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?
On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala wrote: I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase back to the one that can actually be used? Sure, try `man yum`. -- Ryan Rix == http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://rix.si/ == signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
