Re: System CA certificate trust store management meeting

2016-02-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2016-02-16 at 11:08 +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> 
> unfortunately probably due to no mention of the public meetings in the
> official DevConf schedule - they were mentioned only on a separate page
> in the DevConf brochure - there was only a single non-redhatter that
> appeared at the meeting.
> 
> We had some informal discussion with him and the redhatters that were
> present. The conclusion was that our team should probably focus more on
> the crypto libraries support for the stapled extensions and using the
> trust store directly via the p11-kit-trust PKCS#11 module and not
> through the extracted certificate lists - namely OpenSSL lacks this
> support and probably should be the first priority to fix before any
> development of high-level trust management application/API should
> start.

I concur. We desperately need to fix the lack of PKCS#11 support in
OpenSSL. I'd love to see a suitably-licensed (re)implementation of
libp11 added directly to crypto/pkcs11 and properly integrated.

Not strictly *system CA* certificate... but we also need to fix NSS to
be compliant with the Fedora guidelines about using the correct tokens
as configured by p11-kit, and allowing applications to specify objects
by their PKCS#11 URI. Was that discussed? There was... bizarreness...
last time I raised it on the Mozilla dev-tech-crypto list.

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Re: System CA certificate trust store management meeting

2016-02-16 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Po, 2016-02-15 at 13:05 +, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-02-02 at 17:13 +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> > Hello,
> > for anyone interested in the subject and visiting DevConf in Brno
> > on 
> > this Friday - we will be holding an informal meeting to gather use-
> > cases 
> > for needed improvements in this area. We are interested in feedback
> > from 
> > Fedora/RHEL system administrators and developers.
> > 
> > The meeting will happen on Friday Feb 5th 2016 13:10-14:30 at the 
> > DevConf venue in the room C228.
> > 
> > See also:
> > https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/system-ca-certificate-trust
> > -management-review-planning-meeting-devconf/
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Tomas Mraz, Security Technologies Team member at Red Hat
> 
> Hi Tomas,
> 
> Was there a conclusion for this?

Hello,

unfortunately probably due to no mention of the public meetings in the
official DevConf schedule - they were mentioned only on a separate page
in the DevConf brochure - there was only a single non-redhatter that
appeared at the meeting.

We had some informal discussion with him and the redhatters that were
present. The conclusion was that our team should probably focus more on
the crypto libraries support for the stapled extensions and using the
trust store directly via the p11-kit-trust PKCS#11 module and not
through the extracted certificate lists - namely OpenSSL lacks this
support and probably should be the first priority to fix before any
development of high-level trust management application/API should
start.

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Re: System CA certificate trust store management meeting

2016-02-15 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2016-02-02 at 17:13 +0100, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> Hello,
> for anyone interested in the subject and visiting DevConf in Brno on 
> this Friday - we will be holding an informal meeting to gather use-cases 
> for needed improvements in this area. We are interested in feedback from 
> Fedora/RHEL system administrators and developers.
> 
> The meeting will happen on Friday Feb 5th 2016 13:10-14:30 at the 
> DevConf venue in the room C228.
> 
> See also:
> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/system-ca-certificate-trust-management-review-planning-meeting-devconf/
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tomas Mraz, Security Technologies Team member at Red Hat

Hi Tomas,

Was there a conclusion for this?

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