Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-11-19)

2014-11-20 Thread Tomas Hozza
On 11/20/2014 08:05 AM, Till Maas wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 03:06:11PM -0500, Tomas Mraz wrote:
>
> > * #1368 How to deal with F21 broken dependencies  (t8m, 19:08:56)
> >   * AGREED: FESCo agrees to dropping the packages with broken
> > dependencies listed in #1368 from both F21 and rawhide (+7, -0, 0:0)
> > (t8m, 19:25:56)
>
> I retired the packages now. To make sure the final repo does not
> contain any packages with broken dependencies, the Freeze Exception
> process needs to be used to get packages from updates-testing that do
> not contain broken dependencies into the stable repo:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process
>
> >   * AGREED: We will do the broken deps cleanup on Final Freeze from now
> > on in the future Fedora releases (+8, -0, 0:0)  (t8m, 19:30:41)
> >   * There will be warning sent to the affected maintainers at least 3
> > weeks in advance  (t8m, 19:31:36)
>
> What happens with packages that get broken after the warning but before
> the Final Freeze?
>
> Regards
> Till
>
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but all broken packages
should be cleaned up after the Final Freeze. However we could
send one more "up-to-date" reminder after the Freeze.

Regards,
Tomas
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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-11-19)

2014-11-19 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 03:06:11PM -0500, Tomas Mraz wrote:

> * #1368 How to deal with F21 broken dependencies  (t8m, 19:08:56)
>   * AGREED: FESCo agrees to dropping the packages with broken
> dependencies listed in #1368 from both F21 and rawhide (+7, -0, 0:0)
> (t8m, 19:25:56)

I retired the packages now. To make sure the final repo does not
contain any packages with broken dependencies, the Freeze Exception
process needs to be used to get packages from updates-testing that do
not contain broken dependencies into the stable repo:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process

>   * AGREED: We will do the broken deps cleanup on Final Freeze from now
> on in the future Fedora releases (+8, -0, 0:0)  (t8m, 19:30:41)
>   * There will be warning sent to the affected maintainers at least 3
> weeks in advance  (t8m, 19:31:36)

What happens with packages that get broken after the warning but before
the Final Freeze?

Regards
Till
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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-11-19)

2014-11-19 Thread Tomas Mraz
===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2014-11-19)
===

Meeting started by t8m at 18:08:14 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-11-19/fesco.2014-11-19-18.08.log.html
.

Meeting summary
---
* init process  (t8m, 18:08:27)

* #1273 Policy interpretation on proprietary products in gnome-software,
  gnome overview search results  (t8m, 18:11:53)
  * The web apps are clearly marked we can close the ticket  (t8m,
18:13:49)

* #1265 Fedora Plasma Product  (t8m, 18:15:03)
  * Closing the ticket as the new product proposals should be presented
to Fedora Council  (t8m, 18:20:41)

* #1326 change to fesco replacement process?  (t8m, 18:21:37)
  * we will revisit this after F21 is released  (t8m, 18:27:26)

* #1359 Automatic OpenH264 download by Firefox  (t8m, 18:28:36)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1359#comment:26 looks
like a possible long term solution  (kalev, 18:30:24)
  * AGREED: Close the ticket and ask interested parties to work with
legal on more user friendly solution (+7, -0, 0:0)  (t8m, 18:47:07)

* #1367 Please define package manager expectations  (t8m, 18:48:27)
  * AGREED: post to devel list asking for interested parties to improve
http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html and revisit
change in the f22 cycle to see if there's any critical gaps (+6, -0,
0:0)  (t8m, 19:07:09)
  * ACTION: nirik will post to the devel list  (t8m, 19:08:20)

* #1368 How to deal with F21 broken dependencies  (t8m, 19:08:56)
  * AGREED: FESCo agrees to dropping the packages with broken
dependencies listed in #1368 from both F21 and rawhide (+7, -0, 0:0)
(t8m, 19:25:56)
  * AGREED: We will do the broken deps cleanup on Final Freeze from now
on in the future Fedora releases (+8, -0, 0:0)  (t8m, 19:30:41)
  * There will be warning sent to the affected maintainers at least 3
weeks in advance  (t8m, 19:31:36)

* #1369 packages should disable internal crash handlers and depend on
  ABRT  (t8m, 19:32:44)
  * Decision postponed to next week  (t8m, 19:57:36)

* Next week chair  (t8m, 19:57:40)
  * ACTION: nirik will chair the next week meeting  (t8m, 19:59:10)

* Open floor  (t8m, 19:59:18)

Meeting ended at 20:01:44 UTC.


Action Items

* nirik will post to the devel list
* nirik will chair the next week meeting


Action Items, by person
---
* nirik
  * nirik will post to the devel list
  * nirik will chair the next week meeting
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)


People Present (lines said)
---
* t8m (100)
* nirik (73)
* mitr (58)
* kalev (50)
* dgilmore (33)
* thozza (32)
* mattdm (31)
* jwb (31)
* sgallagh (27)
* zodbot (15)
* randomuser (13)
* cschalle_ (13)
* sharkcz (12)
* jzeleny (8)
* oddshocks (4)
* kushal (3)
* scollier (2)
* mjg59 (1)
* mmaslano (0)
* stickster (0)


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18:08:14  #startmeeting FESCO (2014-11-19)
18:08:15  Meeting started Wed Nov 19 18:08:14 2014 UTC.  The chair is 
t8m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:08:15  Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link 
#topic.
18:08:19  #meetingname fesco
18:08:19  The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
18:08:22  #chair dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh 
stickster t8m thozza
18:08:23  Current chairs: dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik 
sgallagh stickster t8m thozza
18:08:27  #topic init process
18:08:27  .hello kevin
18:08:28  nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' 
18:08:31  .hello sgallagh
18:08:32  sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 
18:08:38  Hi all I apologize again
18:09:00  .hello thozza
18:09:01  thozza: thozza 'Tomas Hozza' 
18:09:04  t8m we'll just have to talk fast to make up for it :)
18:09:07 * mattdm is here
18:09:16  hi
18:09:33  hi
18:09:34  mattdm: lts jst skp vwls fr spd
18:10:37  hi
18:11:30  OK, so let's finally start
18:11:53  #topic #1273 Policy interpretation on proprietary products in 
gnome-software, gnome overview search results
18:12:04  .fesco 1273
18:12:09  t8m: #1273 (Policy interpretation on proprietary products in 
gnome-software, gnome overview search results) – FESCo - 
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1273
18:13:07  I think this is done and can be closed.
18:13:08  So it seems we can close this ticket because the marking of Web 
apps was accepted upstream and is in Fedora if I understand this correctly
18:13:16  the "apps" are marked pretty clearly now.
18:13:21  yeah, exactly.
18:13:26  OK
18:13:35  there are some other issues but I don't think they are fesco 
issues
18:13:49  #info The web apps are clearly marked we can close the ticket
18:13:53  next topic
18:13:55  I'm generally in agreement, but I don't like the concept 
of 'this was accepted upstream therefore we are okay with it'
18:14:11  ...just an observation, carry on
18:14:18  randomuser, I think it is in Fedora already, isn't it?
18:14:31  I think it's more like