Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2017-10-20 at 14:41 +0300, Alexander Ploumistos wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:07 PM, James Hogarth  
> wrote:
> > I do need sleep at some point ;)
> 
> :-O
> 
> > Ive pulled the commits and kicked off the build in the COPR
> > 
> > It'll be there in a few hours or so (however long it takes for the
> > build in COPR).
> 
> I do want to thank both you and Martin for your work on this.
> By the way, that was a very nice article on Fedora Magazine, even for
> a Chrome user ;)

+1, thanks very much for this James!
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[James Hogarth]

On 20 October 2017 at 12:41, Alexander Ploumistos
 wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:07 PM, James Hogarth  
> wrote:
>> I do need sleep at some point ;)
>
> :-O
>
>> Ive pulled the commits and kicked off the build in the COPR
>>
>> It'll be there in a few hours or so (however long it takes for the
>> build in COPR).
>
> I do want to thank both you and Martin for your work on this.
> By the way, that was a very nice article on Fedora Magazine, even for
> a Chrome user ;)

No worries... it is important we provide the best experience to our
user base that we can ...

On a related note the reddit thread on the article reminded me that we
really should make a note of the Firefox 57 impact in the F27 release
notes and known issues.

Is anyone willing to pick that bit up and run with it?
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Alexander Ploumistos]

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:07 PM, James Hogarth  wrote:
> I do need sleep at some point ;)

:-O

> Ive pulled the commits and kicked off the build in the COPR
>
> It'll be there in a few hours or so (however long it takes for the
> build in COPR).

I do want to thank both you and Martin for your work on this.
By the way, that was a very nice article on Fedora Magazine, even for
a Chrome user ;)
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[James Hogarth]

On 20 October 2017 at 12:07, James Hogarth  wrote:
> On 19 October 2017 at 19:17, Alexander Ploumistos
>  wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Mátyás Selmeci  
>> wrote:
>>> Where is the COPR? I searched for "firefox" on copr.fedorainfracloud.org but
>>> did not find it.
>>
>> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jhogarth/firefox57/
>>
>> Also, firefox-57.0-0.5 just finished building in koji:
>>
>> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=37
>>
>
> I do need sleep at some point ;)
>
> Ive pulled the commits and kicked off the build in the COPR
>
> It'll be there in a few hours or so (however long it takes for the
> build in COPR).

Oh and the article is up in Fedora Magazine now:

https://fedoramagazine.org/firefox-57-coming-soon-quantum-leap/

Hopefully this helps our userbase understand the changes coming, and
provides enough chance for early testing it'll be as smooth an update
as we can manage.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[James Hogarth]

On 19 October 2017 at 19:17, Alexander Ploumistos
 wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Mátyás Selmeci  wrote:
>> Where is the COPR? I searched for "firefox" on copr.fedorainfracloud.org but
>> did not find it.
>
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jhogarth/firefox57/
>
> Also, firefox-57.0-0.5 just finished building in koji:
>
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=37
>

I do need sleep at some point ;)

Ive pulled the commits and kicked off the build in the COPR

It'll be there in a few hours or so (however long it takes for the
build in COPR).
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Alexander Ploumistos]

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Mátyás Selmeci  wrote:
> Where is the COPR? I searched for "firefox" on copr.fedorainfracloud.org but
> did not find it.

https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jhogarth/firefox57/

Also, firefox-57.0-0.5 just finished building in koji:

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=37
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Mátyás Selmeci]

On 10/18/17 07:21, James Hogarth wrote:



On 17 Oct 2017 17:40, "Gerald B. Cox" > wrote:




On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 1:33 AM, James Hogarth
> wrote:


And even if we hypothetically forked Firefox (as that is what
it would be) to add legacy extension capability back it would
mark a significant divergence with upstream and I'm not sure
if addons.mozilla.org  could even
be used then anyway as it'd detect FF57 and state that older
extensions are not supported. That doesn't even go into the
legal situation as to whether we could even call it Firefox
with such divergence (remember Iceweasel?) ... there's a
reason there's a whitelist on the Firefox packages for build
permissions after all.

And how long would you want FF packagers to maintain such a
patchset for? Even the next ESR will drop legacy extensions.



Yup!  It's a non-starter. Mozilla knows exactly what they are
doing - and have made their decision.


https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2017/04/05/compatibility-firefox-54/#comment-223852






To keep interested parties here in the loop...

The COPR is operational and a draft for review has been entered into 
the magazine with details for this preview on the magazine mailing list.


I'll keep the COPR updated as best I can with any changes to the the 
Fedora 27 package... may lag by a day or so but I'll do my best ;)


Note that although there are F25 builds in the COPR there will be no 
Firefox 57 builds going into the official F25 repos so that one really 
is no support and just there to ease testing.


I'll keep the COPR running and updated until the Firefox 57 packages 
eventually return to the F26 testing repo after it is released upstream.


The COPR will be removed at that point.


Where is the COPR? I searched for "firefox" on copr.fedorainfracloud.org 
but did not find it.


Thanks,
-Mat
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[James Hogarth]

On 19 Oct 2017 18:26, "James Hogarth"  wrote:



On 18 Oct 2017 13:21, "James Hogarth"  wrote:



On 17 Oct 2017 17:40, "Gerald B. Cox"  wrote:



On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 1:33 AM, James Hogarth 
wrote:

>
> And even if we hypothetically forked Firefox (as that is what it would be)
> to add legacy extension capability back it would mark a significant
> divergence with upstream and I'm not sure if addons.mozilla.org could
> even be used then anyway as it'd detect FF57 and state that older
> extensions are not supported. That doesn't even go into the legal situation
> as to whether we could even call it Firefox with such divergence (remember
> Iceweasel?) ... there's a reason there's a whitelist on the Firefox
> packages for build permissions after all.
>
> And how long would you want FF packagers to maintain such a patchset for?
> Even the next ESR will drop legacy extensions.
>
>
>
Yup!  It's a non-starter.  Mozilla knows exactly what they are doing - and
have made their decision.

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2017/04/05/compatibility-fir
efox-54/#comment-223852




To keep interested parties here in the loop...

The COPR is operational and a draft for review has been entered into the
magazine with details for this preview on the magazine mailing list.

I'll keep the COPR updated as best I can with any changes to the the Fedora
27 package... may lag by a day or so but I'll do my best ;)

Note that although there are F25 builds in the COPR there will be no
Firefox 57 builds going into the official F25 repos so that one really is
no support and just there to ease testing.

I'll keep the COPR running and updated until the Firefox 57 packages
eventually return to the F26 testing repo after it is released upstream.

The COPR will be removed at that point.


The Fedora Magazine article is going out tomorrow.

Thanks to everyone involved for the quick turn around on comments and
editorial review.

Matt are you going to merge that branch back to master and F27 and continue
from there?

Just want to make sure my scripts will point at your intended build source
for the automated COPR updates.


Err... Martin I meant... blame autocorrect?
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[James Hogarth]

On 18 Oct 2017 13:21, "James Hogarth"  wrote:



On 17 Oct 2017 17:40, "Gerald B. Cox"  wrote:



On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 1:33 AM, James Hogarth 
wrote:

>
> And even if we hypothetically forked Firefox (as that is what it would be)
> to add legacy extension capability back it would mark a significant
> divergence with upstream and I'm not sure if addons.mozilla.org could
> even be used then anyway as it'd detect FF57 and state that older
> extensions are not supported. That doesn't even go into the legal situation
> as to whether we could even call it Firefox with such divergence (remember
> Iceweasel?) ... there's a reason there's a whitelist on the Firefox
> packages for build permissions after all.
>
> And how long would you want FF packagers to maintain such a patchset for?
> Even the next ESR will drop legacy extensions.
>
>
>
Yup!  It's a non-starter.  Mozilla knows exactly what they are doing - and
have made their decision.

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2017/04/05/compatibility-
firefox-54/#comment-223852




To keep interested parties here in the loop...

The COPR is operational and a draft for review has been entered into the
magazine with details for this preview on the magazine mailing list.

I'll keep the COPR updated as best I can with any changes to the the Fedora
27 package... may lag by a day or so but I'll do my best ;)

Note that although there are F25 builds in the COPR there will be no
Firefox 57 builds going into the official F25 repos so that one really is
no support and just there to ease testing.

I'll keep the COPR running and updated until the Firefox 57 packages
eventually return to the F26 testing repo after it is released upstream.

The COPR will be removed at that point.


The Fedora Magazine article is going out tomorrow.

Thanks to everyone involved for the quick turn around on comments and
editorial review.

Matt are you going to merge that branch back to master and F27 and continue
from there?

Just want to make sure my scripts will point at your intended build source
for the automated COPR updates.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[James Hogarth]

On 17 Oct 2017 17:40, "Gerald B. Cox"  wrote:



On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 1:33 AM, James Hogarth 
wrote:

>
> And even if we hypothetically forked Firefox (as that is what it would be)
> to add legacy extension capability back it would mark a significant
> divergence with upstream and I'm not sure if addons.mozilla.org could
> even be used then anyway as it'd detect FF57 and state that older
> extensions are not supported. That doesn't even go into the legal situation
> as to whether we could even call it Firefox with such divergence (remember
> Iceweasel?) ... there's a reason there's a whitelist on the Firefox
> packages for build permissions after all.
>
> And how long would you want FF packagers to maintain such a patchset for?
> Even the next ESR will drop legacy extensions.
>
>
>
Yup!  It's a non-starter.  Mozilla knows exactly what they are doing - and
have made their decision.

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2017/04/05/compatibility-firefox-54/#
comment-223852




To keep interested parties here in the loop...

The COPR is operational and a draft for review has been entered into the
magazine with details for this preview on the magazine mailing list.

I'll keep the COPR updated as best I can with any changes to the the Fedora
27 package... may lag by a day or so but I'll do my best ;)

Note that although there are F25 builds in the COPR there will be no
Firefox 57 builds going into the official F25 repos so that one really is
no support and just there to ease testing.

I'll keep the COPR running and updated until the Firefox 57 packages
eventually return to the F26 testing repo after it is released upstream.

The COPR will be removed at that point.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Gerald B. Cox]

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 1:33 AM, James Hogarth 
wrote:

>
> And even if we hypothetically forked Firefox (as that is what it would be)
> to add legacy extension capability back it would mark a significant
> divergence with upstream and I'm not sure if addons.mozilla.org could
> even be used then anyway as it'd detect FF57 and state that older
> extensions are not supported. That doesn't even go into the legal situation
> as to whether we could even call it Firefox with such divergence (remember
> Iceweasel?) ... there's a reason there's a whitelist on the Firefox
> packages for build permissions after all.
>
> And how long would you want FF packagers to maintain such a patchset for?
> Even the next ESR will drop legacy extensions.
>
>
>
Yup!  It's a non-starter.  Mozilla knows exactly what they are doing - and
have made their decision.

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2017/04/05/compatibility-firefox-54/#comment-223852
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[James Hogarth]

On 17 October 2017 at 01:19, Gerald B. Cox  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Adam Williamson <
> adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> > According to my reading today that was disabled for the beta and only
>> > present in the developer version to assist in the migration and porting
>> etc
>> >
>> > As of FF57 beta WebExtension only is supported and legacy is killed off.
>>
>> I think the whole *idea* was to suggest making the option available
>> again in Fedora's build of FF57.
>> --
>>
>
> James Hogarth answered that question.  Fx 57 supports only webextensions.
>
>
>
>
And even if we hypothetically forked Firefox (as that is what it would be)
to add legacy extension capability back it would mark a significant
divergence with upstream and I'm not sure if addons.mozilla.org could even
be used then anyway as it'd detect FF57 and state that older extensions are
not supported. That doesn't even go into the legal situation as to whether
we could even call it Firefox with such divergence (remember Iceweasel?)
... there's a reason there's a whitelist on the Firefox packages for build
permissions after all.

And how long would you want FF packagers to maintain such a patchset for?
Even the next ESR will drop legacy extensions.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Gerald B. Cox]

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Adam Williamson  wrote:

>
> > According to my reading today that was disabled for the beta and only
> > present in the developer version to assist in the migration and porting
> etc
> >
> > As of FF57 beta WebExtension only is supported and legacy is killed off.
>
> I think the whole *idea* was to suggest making the option available
> again in Fedora's build of FF57.
> --
>

James Hogarth answered that question.  Fx 57 supports only webextensions.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Thomas Daede]

On 10/16/2017 01:56 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> Can you enable "extensions.legacy.enabled"?  That would solve the main
> problem.
> 
> I had a look at the RPM and grepped the FF sources but I couldn't work
> out how you are supposed to enable that setting, but I guess FF
> maintainers may have a better idea.

Some internal XPCOM interfaces have changed or disappeared, so there is
no guarantee this will work with all extensions.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2017-10-17 at 00:05 +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> On 16 Oct 2017 9:57 pm, "Richard W.M. Jones"  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 01:45:09PM +0300, Alexander Ploumistos wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
> > updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
> > getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
> > bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
> > number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
> > v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
> > breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
> > way, beta 8 was released on Friday.
> 
> Can you enable "extensions.legacy.enabled"?  That would solve the main
> problem.
> 
> I had a look at the RPM and grepped the FF sources but I couldn't work
> out how you are supposed to enable that setting, but I guess FF
> maintainers may have a better idea.
> 
> 
> According to my reading today that was disabled for the beta and only
> present in the developer version to assist in the migration and porting etc
> 
> As of FF57 beta WebExtension only is supported and legacy is killed off.

I think the whole *idea* was to suggest making the option available
again in Fedora's build of FF57.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[James Hogarth]

On 16 Oct 2017 9:57 pm, "Richard W.M. Jones"  wrote:

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 01:45:09PM +0300, Alexander Ploumistos wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
> updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
> getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
> bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
> number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
> v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
> breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
> way, beta 8 was released on Friday.

Can you enable "extensions.legacy.enabled"?  That would solve the main
problem.

I had a look at the RPM and grepped the FF sources but I couldn't work
out how you are supposed to enable that setting, but I guess FF
maintainers may have a better idea.


According to my reading today that was disabled for the beta and only
present in the developer version to assist in the migration and porting etc

As of FF57 beta WebExtension only is supported and legacy is killed off.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Greg Evenden]

> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 01:45:09PM +0300, Alexander Ploumistos wrote:
> 
> Can you enable "extensions.legacy.enabled"?  That would solve the main
> problem.
> 
> I had a look at the RPM and grepped the FF sources but I couldn't work
> out how you are supposed to enable that setting, but I guess FF
> maintainers may have a better idea.
> 
> Rich.
 Richard, you can enable that yourself 
1) type about:config  ( in address bar, an then type that what you want in the 
Awesomebar ) 
2) an look for that config an double click on it 
if you wanna keep XUL Extensions, my advice would be to install Seamonkey or 
compile Firefox52ESR 
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 01:45:09PM +0300, Alexander Ploumistos wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
> updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
> getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
> bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
> number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
> v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
> breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
> way, beta 8 was released on Friday.

Can you enable "extensions.legacy.enabled"?  That would solve the main
problem.

I had a look at the RPM and grepped the FF sources but I couldn't work
out how you are supposed to enable that setting, but I guess FF
maintainers may have a better idea.

Rich.

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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Gerald B. Cox]

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:00 AM, Martin Stransky 
wrote:

> On 10/15/2017 03:58 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Alexander Ploumistos <
>> alex.ploumis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
>>> updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
>>> getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
>>> bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
>>> number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
>>> v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
>>> breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
>>> way, beta 8 was released on Friday.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't see why not, but that is up to the maintainer.  The issue wasn't
>> the testing.  It was the use
>> of the updates-testing process for something that wasn't intended to be
>> pushed to stable.
>>
>
> Sure, out of box thinking is not expected here and Vogons could take
> lessons from our council members ;-)
>
> ma.
>
> p.s.: please no offense here.
>



I don't believe you are understanding the situation.  Maybe this will help:
"The end does not justify the means."
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:00:05AM +0200, Martin Stransky wrote:
> Sure, out of box thinking is not expected here and Vogons could take
> lessons from our council members ;-)

Just wait until you see our poetry!

In seriousness, out-of-the-box thinking should be *encouraged* — but
please in the the future make sure to communicate and double-check with
others, because we care about our users quite a bit more than Vogons
do.

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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[James Hogarth]

On 16 October 2017 at 10:18, Martin Stransky  wrote:

> On 10/16/2017 11:10 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
>
>> On 16 October 2017 at 10:00, Martin Stransky  wrote:
>>
>> On 10/15/2017 03:58 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Alexander Ploumistos <
 alex.ploumis...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Hello,

>
> Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
> updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
> getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
> bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
> number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
> v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
> breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
> way, beta 8 was released on Friday.
>
>
> I don't see why not, but that is up to the maintainer.  The issue
 wasn't
 the testing.  It was the use
 of the updates-testing process for something that wasn't intended to be
 pushed to stable.


>>> Sure, out of box thinking is not expected here and Vogons could take
>>> lessons from our council members ;-)
>>>
>>> ma.
>>>
>>> p.s.: please no offense here.
>>>
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>>
>> Side note... saying something that "could be" offensive and relies on a
>> particular sense of humor and then adding a P.S. of "no offense" is not
>> generally well looked upon ...
>>
>
> Yeah, sorry for that but I could not resist :)


I smiled ... but then I have a bit of a twisted sense of humor at times I
think and I try not to rely on it for what others would read into text
usually ;)



>
>
> Have you built it in a COPR instead yet?
>>
>
> No I don't build copr builds as that means extra work here.
>
> If need be I don't mind tracking your commits in F27/master and maintaining
>> a temporary COPR for F25/F26 users.
>>
>
> Sure go ahead if you wish. You may need to fiddle with system nss/nspr
> dependencies until nspr-4.17 and nss 3.33 hit stable. You can take the
> package at https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/firefox/tree/stransky-fir
> efox-57
>
>
That's fair enough ... I'll knock something up to automate the COPR build
later on today.



> Of course we'll need to get the message out on compatibility stuff when it
>> does go to F26/F25 repos eventually ... I'd suggest a Fedora Magazine
>> article highlighting the situation? We could even do one early
>> highlighting
>> the COPR if you'd like some early F26 FF57 testing results?
>>
> >
>
>> I'd be happy to propose the article to the Fedora Magazine editorial board
>> and write it up if that's helpful.
>>
>
> That would be great.
>
>
>
I'll get this proposed in the next few days, I expect we'll get something
out there if not next week then the week after.

Since I'm predominantly a Chrome rather than Firefox user I haven't been
tracking Mozilla's activities closely in the past few years. Are there some
nice talking points I can reference and quickly run through for this update
- principally what it means to the users as that will be the most visible
effect?

When I have a draft together I'll send you a preview URL for review, if
that's okay with you?
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Martin Stransky]

On 10/16/2017 11:10 AM, James Hogarth wrote:

On 16 October 2017 at 10:00, Martin Stransky  wrote:


On 10/15/2017 03:58 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:


On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Alexander Ploumistos <
alex.ploumis...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,


Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
way, beta 8 was released on Friday.



I don't see why not, but that is up to the maintainer.  The issue wasn't
the testing.  It was the use
of the updates-testing process for something that wasn't intended to be
pushed to stable.



Sure, out of box thinking is not expected here and Vogons could take
lessons from our council members ;-)

ma.

p.s.: please no offense here.

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Side note... saying something that "could be" offensive and relies on a
particular sense of humor and then adding a P.S. of "no offense" is not
generally well looked upon ...


Yeah, sorry for that but I could not resist :)


Have you built it in a COPR instead yet?


No I don't build copr builds as that means extra work here.


If need be I don't mind tracking your commits in F27/master and maintaining
a temporary COPR for F25/F26 users.


Sure go ahead if you wish. You may need to fiddle with system nss/nspr 
dependencies until nspr-4.17 and nss 3.33 hit stable. You can take the 
package at 
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/firefox/tree/stransky-firefox-57



Of course we'll need to get the message out on compatibility stuff when it
does go to F26/F25 repos eventually ... I'd suggest a Fedora Magazine
article highlighting the situation? We could even do one early highlighting
the COPR if you'd like some early F26 FF57 testing results?

>

I'd be happy to propose the article to the Fedora Magazine editorial board
and write it up if that's helpful.


That would be great.

ma.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[James Hogarth]

On 16 October 2017 at 10:00, Martin Stransky  wrote:

> On 10/15/2017 03:58 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Alexander Ploumistos <
>> alex.ploumis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
>>> updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
>>> getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
>>> bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
>>> number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
>>> v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
>>> breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
>>> way, beta 8 was released on Friday.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't see why not, but that is up to the maintainer.  The issue wasn't
>> the testing.  It was the use
>> of the updates-testing process for something that wasn't intended to be
>> pushed to stable.
>>
>
> Sure, out of box thinking is not expected here and Vogons could take
> lessons from our council members ;-)
>
> ma.
>
> p.s.: please no offense here.
>
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Side note... saying something that "could be" offensive and relies on a
particular sense of humor and then adding a P.S. of "no offense" is not
generally well looked upon ...

Have you built it in a COPR instead yet?

If need be I don't mind tracking your commits in F27/master and maintaining
a temporary COPR for F25/F26 users.

Of course we'll need to get the message out on compatibility stuff when it
does go to F26/F25 repos eventually ... I'd suggest a Fedora Magazine
article highlighting the situation? We could even do one early highlighting
the COPR if you'd like some early F26 FF57 testing results?

I'd be happy to propose the article to the Fedora Magazine editorial board
and write it up if that's helpful.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Martin Stransky]

On 10/15/2017 03:58 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Alexander Ploumistos <
alex.ploumis...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hello,

Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
way, beta 8 was released on Friday.



I don't see why not, but that is up to the maintainer.  The issue wasn't
the testing.  It was the use
of the updates-testing process for something that wasn't intended to be
pushed to stable.


Sure, out of box thinking is not expected here and Vogons could take 
lessons from our council members ;-)


ma.

p.s.: please no offense here.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Martin Stransky]

On 10/15/2017 11:04 PM, Greg Evenden wrote:

Hello,

Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
way, beta 8 was released on Friday.

Best regards

as i have asked Martin himself via Email, he wont be compiling every BETA 
Release, more than likely he'll do Beta 9, Beta 11 an Beta 13, an then the 
Release Candidate.


I don't have any plan here it merely depends on my availability. I'll 
try to build every Beta but no promises here.


ma.

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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Greg Evenden]

> Hello,
> 
> Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
> updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
> getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
> bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
> number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
> v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
> breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
> way, beta 8 was released on Friday.
> 
> Best regards
as i have asked Martin himself via Email, he wont be compiling every BETA 
Release, more than likely he'll do Beta 9, Beta 11 an Beta 13, an then the 
Release Candidate.
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Re: Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Gerald B. Cox]

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Alexander Ploumistos <
alex.ploumis...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
> updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
> getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
> bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
> number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
> v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
> breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
> way, beta 8 was released on Friday.
>

I don't see why not, but that is up to the maintainer.  The issue wasn't
the testing.  It was the use
of the updates-testing process for something that wasn't intended to be
pushed to stable.
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Updates for Firefox 57 beta

[Alexander Ploumistos]

Hello,

Now that FESCo has ruled that "firefox 57beta is removed from f25/f26
updates-testing but stays in f27/rawhide", could we at least keep
getting new builds in koji for f25/f26? Judging by the feedback in
bodhi, the various threads here, rhbz and FESCo tickets, there is a
number of users who don't mind sticking with Firefox 57. Going back to
v56 would entail undoing a number of changes and dealing with possible
breakages, only to repeat the whole process in about a month. By the
way, beta 8 was released on Friday.

Best regards
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