Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:26:36AM +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: So I have three options to suggest to my friend: - Latest Fedora or Mint but with Vesa driver only, and maybe can't even get full resolution then - Old Ubuntu (but still supported) + prorietary drivers - full blown priprietary - Windows 7 + Intel/PowerVR driver There also exist USB-based GPUs, ie. external GPUs that plug into laptops (or any machine) using USB. Although I don't think it's worth rescuing this cheap 13 laptop by spending yet more money on hardware which might have its own driver issues. Probably best to get rid of it on eBay and buy a decent laptop. The ARM-based Samsung Chromebook is very cheap and runs Fedora. The ARM laptop will have the same or worse issues in terms of GPU as the x86 one. re: anything with powervr (arm or intel), sadly the best answer is run away as fast as possible re: arm chromebooks, well, there is some hope of eventually getting an open source driver, but it will be a long process. Currently gnome-shell and related components in fedora need desktop opengl so blob driver doesn't help much. Having more stuff built w/ gles support would perhaps help. But at least last time I tried (which admittedly was a while ago), gnome-shell + llvmpipe was usable on the exynos5 chromebook. BR, -R Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Rob Clark robdcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:26:36AM +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: So I have three options to suggest to my friend: - Latest Fedora or Mint but with Vesa driver only, and maybe can't even get full resolution then - Old Ubuntu (but still supported) + prorietary drivers - full blown priprietary - Windows 7 + Intel/PowerVR driver There also exist USB-based GPUs, ie. external GPUs that plug into laptops (or any machine) using USB. Although I don't think it's worth rescuing this cheap 13 laptop by spending yet more money on hardware which might have its own driver issues. Probably best to get rid of it on eBay and buy a decent laptop. The ARM-based Samsung Chromebook is very cheap and runs Fedora. The ARM laptop will have the same or worse issues in terms of GPU as the x86 one. re: anything with powervr (arm or intel), sadly the best answer is run away as fast as possible re: arm chromebooks, well, there is some hope of eventually getting an open source driver, but it will be a long process. Currently gnome-shell and related components in fedora need desktop opengl so blob driver doesn't help much. Well in theory gnome-shell should work fine on GLES ... how does it fail? (It is untested but it does not have any direct GL code, it uses cogl which has an GLES2 backend). -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Rob Clark robdcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:26:36AM +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: So I have three options to suggest to my friend: - Latest Fedora or Mint but with Vesa driver only, and maybe can't even get full resolution then - Old Ubuntu (but still supported) + prorietary drivers - full blown priprietary - Windows 7 + Intel/PowerVR driver There also exist USB-based GPUs, ie. external GPUs that plug into laptops (or any machine) using USB. Although I don't think it's worth rescuing this cheap 13 laptop by spending yet more money on hardware which might have its own driver issues. Probably best to get rid of it on eBay and buy a decent laptop. The ARM-based Samsung Chromebook is very cheap and runs Fedora. The ARM laptop will have the same or worse issues in terms of GPU as the x86 one. re: anything with powervr (arm or intel), sadly the best answer is run away as fast as possible re: arm chromebooks, well, there is some hope of eventually getting an open source driver, but it will be a long process. Currently gnome-shell and related components in fedora need desktop opengl so blob driver doesn't help much. Well in theory gnome-shell should work fine on GLES ... how does it fail? (It is untested but it does not have any direct GL code, it uses cogl which has an GLES2 backend). yeah, I think all we need to do is actually build the gles2 backend. But it has been a while since I checked (and not really a cogl expert, and all that). I just remember that for freedreno I had to use GL and implement some emulation for GL primitives that the hw does not support directly, particularly quads needed to be emultated as tri's + index buffer. BR, -R -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 22:46 +0100, drago01 wrote: Well in theory gnome-shell should work fine on GLES ... how does it fail? (It is untested but it does not have any direct GL code, it uses cogl which has an GLES2 backend). GLES versus GL is one half of the problem, GLX versus EGL is the other. Obviously that's only a problem if you're trying to do this under X, but gnome-shell under wayland is probably a pretty unpolished experience atm too. - ajax -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
Thank you all for great feedback, I found these awesome online resources for gma500_gfx - https://gist.github.com/Aissen/2925633 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Poulsbo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo Author of Github article says that driver were included (or planed to be) in Meego, has that ever happened? Did Alan Cox continue to work on this driver? So I have three options to suggest to my friend: - Latest Fedora or Mint but with Vesa driver only, and maybe can't even get full resolution then - Old Ubuntu (but still supported) + prorietary drivers - full blown priprietary - Windows 7 + Intel/PowerVR driver Luckily he has chosen to stick with Linux so I'll help him with install and setup. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
I was totally unaware of Intel using anything else than their own GPU products. Have they backed away from this strategy since then? Are there any other Intel CPU/GPU combinations that we should all stay clear of if we want things to work out of the box and with decent performance? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:26 AM, valent.turko...@gmail.com valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all for great feedback, I found these awesome online resources for gma500_gfx - https://gist.github.com/Aissen/2925633 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Poulsbo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo Author of Github article says that driver were included (or planed to be) in Meego, has that ever happened? Did Alan Cox continue to work on this driver? So I have three options to suggest to my friend: - Latest Fedora or Mint but with Vesa driver only, and maybe can't even get full resolution then So the gma500 KMS driver is enabled in the Fedora kernel. You should likely try the modesetting X driver, looking at the kernel config GMA500 (Poulsbo) and GMA3600 (Cedar Trail) are enabled in the driver but the GMA600 (Moorestown/Oaktrail) is not. The later I doubt is a major problem to enable if that's the chipset. The result won't be bad but won't be particularly pretty but it should at least be usable. Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM, valent.turko...@gmail.com valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: I was totally unaware of Intel using anything else than their own GPU products. Have they backed away from this strategy since then? Are there any other Intel CPU/GPU combinations that we should all stay clear of if we want things to work out of the box and with decent performance? This is only on the low end low power Atom chips aimed at certain device verticals that some vendors have thought would be great to use elsewhere. It's the Poulsbo/Moorestown/Oaktrail/Cedar Trails chipsets. Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:26:36AM +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: So I have three options to suggest to my friend: - Latest Fedora or Mint but with Vesa driver only, and maybe can't even get full resolution then - Old Ubuntu (but still supported) + prorietary drivers - full blown priprietary - Windows 7 + Intel/PowerVR driver There also exist USB-based GPUs, ie. external GPUs that plug into laptops (or any machine) using USB. Although I don't think it's worth rescuing this cheap 13 laptop by spending yet more money on hardware which might have its own driver issues. Probably best to get rid of it on eBay and buy a decent laptop. The ARM-based Samsung Chromebook is very cheap and runs Fedora. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Fedora Windows cross-compiler. Compile Windows programs, test, and build Windows installers. Over 100 libraries supported. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MinGW -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:26:36AM +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: So I have three options to suggest to my friend: - Latest Fedora or Mint but with Vesa driver only, and maybe can't even get full resolution then - Old Ubuntu (but still supported) + prorietary drivers - full blown priprietary - Windows 7 + Intel/PowerVR driver There also exist USB-based GPUs, ie. external GPUs that plug into laptops (or any machine) using USB. Although I don't think it's worth rescuing this cheap 13 laptop by spending yet more money on hardware which might have its own driver issues. Probably best to get rid of it on eBay and buy a decent laptop. The ARM-based Samsung Chromebook is very cheap and runs Fedora. ARM based? ... that pretty much sounds like GPU driver issues as well. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
W dniu 15.11.2013 12:05, drago01 pisze: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: Probably best to get rid of it on eBay and buy a decent laptop. The ARM-based Samsung Chromebook is very cheap and runs Fedora. ARM based? ... that pretty much sounds like GPU driver issues as well. Samsung ARM Chromebook runs with 3.4 or 3.8 kernel from ChromeOS just fine without any binary blobs other than wifi firmware. If you want OpenGL ES then you have to grab drivers from ChromeOS (for 3.4) or from ARM (for 3.8). But do not ask me do they work - I gave up on them months ago. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz mjuszkiew...@redhat.com wrote: W dniu 15.11.2013 12:05, drago01 pisze: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: Probably best to get rid of it on eBay and buy a decent laptop. The ARM-based Samsung Chromebook is very cheap and runs Fedora. ARM based? ... that pretty much sounds like GPU driver issues as well. Samsung ARM Chromebook runs with 3.4 or 3.8 kernel from ChromeOS just fine without any binary blobs other than wifi firmware. If you want OpenGL ES [...] Well non working OpenGL in 2013 does not mean works for me ... i.e better suggest hardware that really works. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
W dniu 15.11.2013 13:15, drago01 pisze: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz mjuszkiew...@redhat.com wrote: W dniu 15.11.2013 12:05, drago01 pisze: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: Probably best to get rid of it on eBay and buy a decent laptop. The ARM-based Samsung Chromebook is very cheap and runs Fedora. ARM based? ... that pretty much sounds like GPU driver issues as well. Samsung ARM Chromebook runs with 3.4 or 3.8 kernel from ChromeOS just fine without any binary blobs other than wifi firmware. If you want OpenGL ES [...] Well non working OpenGL in 2013 does not mean works for me ... i.e better suggest hardware that really works. From what users told me OpenGL ES (which is not OpenGL as you like on x86 desktop) works. I just dislike license it was provided. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
2013/11/15 valent.turko...@gmail.com valent.turko...@gmail.com Thank you all for great feedback, I found these awesome online resources for gma500_gfx - https://gist.github.com/Aissen/2925633 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Poulsbo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo You might have a look on enabling CONFIG_DRM_GMA600 in the fedora kernel it it works for your device But it will probably not lead to expected performances as already advised. So, you can also have a look on this http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/EMGD/. This is the proprietary Intel/imgtech GPU driver. But it may rely on having support for the chipset that might or might not be fully upstream. In this case, try to look at the related tizen/meego kernel trees. This driver will enforce you to have one or another Xorg server or kernel version. Nicolas (kwizart) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:26:36AM +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: So I have three options to suggest to my friend: - Latest Fedora or Mint but with Vesa driver only, and maybe can't even get full resolution then - Old Ubuntu (but still supported) + prorietary drivers - full blown priprietary - Windows 7 + Intel/PowerVR driver There also exist USB-based GPUs, ie. external GPUs that plug into laptops (or any machine) using USB. Although I don't think it's worth rescuing this cheap 13 laptop by spending yet more money on hardware which might have its own driver issues. Probably best to get rid of it on eBay and buy a decent laptop. The ARM-based Samsung Chromebook is very cheap and runs Fedora. The ARM laptop will have the same or worse issues in terms of GPU as the x86 one. Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
Friend of mine just showed me his cheap 13 laptop running Intel D2500 and first thing he said that he had issue installing linux on it. When I asked about GPU and answer was Intel I assured him that for last 10 years I only used Intel GPU based laptops and had great experience. I tried Fedora 19 Live - failed to boot, then Linux Mint 15 - got to screen but with terrible artifacts on screen, check them out - http://youtu.be/mha7fZU1xFg, then tried latest Fedora 20 Live Beta 5 - boot starts with artefacts but fails to boot into desktop. Few hours later after reading up on this issue I managed to get laptop working with Linux Mint 15 (updated kernel to 3.11) but had to blacklist gma500_gfx driver, only then I get somewhat usable laptop (but with lower resolution and no video acceleration). I'm really interested what is the state of gma500_gfx driver in latest kernel, is it reasonable to expect that this driver will get updated and have better support or should I just say to my friend to grab version of Windows 7 and to run with it... any suggestions? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On 11/14/2013 01:05 PM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Friend of mine just showed me his cheap 13 laptop running Intel D2500 and first thing he said that he had issue installing linux on it. Have you captured dmesg and lspci -v output? That could help us to identify what precise hardware components are involved. -- Florian Weimer / Red Hat Product Security Team -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
Have you captured dmesg and lspci -v output? That could help us to identify what precise hardware components are involved. Here are all logs I captured: cpuinfo: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7M7uKBA5 lspci: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2JFb3EnQ dmesg: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8pQ5C8wJ Xorg.0.log.gma500: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7L6n7QAc These are from Linux Mint because Fedora doesn't even boot, but this is probably enough info. If you need some specific Fedora info I can send logs from Fedora 20 boot if I can grab them when live image fails... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On 14 November 2013 16:19, valent.turko...@gmail.com valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Here are all logs I captured: cpuinfo: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7M7uKBA5 lspci: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2JFb3EnQ dmesg: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8pQ5C8wJ Xorg.0.log.gma500: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7L6n7QAc Intel PowerVR poulsbo devices do not have a free driver; their functionality is really limited and there's no DDX driver. They're totalling different than normal Intel chips driven by the intel driver; you have to use VESA for it in X. Regards, --Simone -- You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore (R. W. Emerson). http://xkcd.com/229/ http://negativo17.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 13:05 +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm really interested what is the state of gma500_gfx driver in latest kernel, is it reasonable to expect that this driver will get updated and have better support or should I just say to my friend to grab version of Windows 7 and to run with it... any suggestions? Intel's PowerVR-based graphics have _terrible_ support in Linux. They've been promising for years to either a) provide a competent free driver and/or b) stop producing pvr-based chipsets, and they have repeatedly failed at both. There is no OSS 3D driver for these chips, which is unfortunate, since 3D is the only thing these chips do even remotely well, and they're inevitably attached to underpowered CPUs where llvmpipe isn't going to help much. There's a KMS driver that vaguely works kinda sometimes, as you've found, but that just lights up the display, it doesn't provide any acceleration. I do not expect support for these chips to get materially better any time soon. Honestly at this point I don't even want to reverse engineer the things, it would essentially be rewarding Intel for bad behaviour. - ajax -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On 14/11/13 15:59, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 13:05 +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm really interested what is the state of gma500_gfx driver in latest kernel, is it reasonable to expect that this driver will get updated and have better support or should I just say to my friend to grab version of Windows 7 and to run with it... any suggestions? Intel's PowerVR-based graphics have _terrible_ support in Linux. They've been promising for years to either a) provide a competent free driver and/or b) stop producing pvr-based chipsets, and they have repeatedly failed at both. There is no OSS 3D driver for these chips, which is unfortunate, since 3D is the only thing these chips do even remotely well, and they're inevitably attached to underpowered CPUs where llvmpipe isn't going to help much. There's a KMS driver that vaguely works kinda sometimes, as you've found, but that just lights up the display, it doesn't provide any acceleration. I do not expect support for these chips to get materially better any time soon. Honestly at this point I don't even want to reverse engineer the things, it would essentially be rewarding Intel for bad behaviour. On the one hand, you're absolutely right. On the other hand, I own a Samsung NC110 netbook which has one of these PowerVR suckers in it so I deeply appreciate the excruciatingly laborious work that these folks are doing: http://powervr.gnu.org.ve/doku.php (site seems broken at the moment :( ) http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:PowerVR_drivers (decent summary) Andy -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Nov 14, 2013 5:05 AM, valent.turko...@gmail.com valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Friend of mine just showed me his cheap 13 laptop running Intel D2500 and first thing he said that he had issue installing linux on it. When I asked about GPU and answer was Intel I assured him that for last 10 years I only used Intel GPU based laptops and had great experience. I tried Fedora 19 Live - failed to boot, then Linux Mint 15 - got to screen but with terrible artifacts on screen, check them out - http://youtu.be/mha7fZU1xFg, then tried latest Fedora 20 Live Beta 5 - boot starts with artefacts but fails to boot into desktop. Few hours later after reading up on this issue I managed to get laptop working with Linux Mint 15 (updated kernel to 3.11) but had to blacklist gma500_gfx driver, only then I get somewhat usable laptop (but with lower resolution and no video acceleration). I'm really interested what is the state of gma500_gfx driver in latest kernel, is it reasonable to expect that this driver will get updated and have better support or should I just say to my friend to grab version of Windows 7 and to run with it... any suggestions? -- I have a box with the same generation of Atom/PowerVR (Cedar Trail? Cedar View? No access at the moment). I can't get *any* display manager to work reliably, but I can `xinit gnome-session` with reasonable results. Once X stops, whether from killing the process or switching targets, the GPU is locked until reboot. I gave the thing to a friend to use as an HTPC, and he gave it back saying he couldn't find Windows drivers for it, and neither could I. I'm using it as a disposable rawhide playground now. If anyone really wants to hack out support for this I'd be happy to ship it to them. --Pete -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 10:59 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 13:05 +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: I'm really interested what is the state of gma500_gfx driver in latest kernel, is it reasonable to expect that this driver will get updated and have better support or should I just say to my friend to grab version of Windows 7 and to run with it... any suggestions? Intel's PowerVR-based graphics have _terrible_ support in Linux. They've been promising for years to either a) provide a competent free driver and/or b) stop producing pvr-based chipsets, and they have repeatedly failed at both. There is no OSS 3D driver for these chips, which is unfortunate, since 3D is the only thing these chips do even remotely well, and they're inevitably attached to underpowered CPUs where llvmpipe isn't going to help much. There's a KMS driver that vaguely works kinda sometimes, as you've found, but that just lights up the display, it doesn't provide any acceleration. I do not expect support for these chips to get materially better any time soon. Honestly at this point I don't even want to reverse engineer the things, it would essentially be rewarding Intel for bad behaviour. I would never usually suggest any of the things in this post, but if you're really stuck with Poulsbo hardware, you essentially have zero good choices, so it's just a case of which bad choice you want to make. Note that several years ago there was a proprietary driver which, while in many ways being a pile of crap, more or less worked and gave 2D, 3D and video playback acceleration. Whoever was maintaining it gave up years ago, and you have 0 chance of getting it to work on any modern distro, but you may be able to use it if you run an old LTS build of Ubuntu. Ubuntu 10.04 should be old enough for the proprietary driver to work, and still has support until mid-2015 according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS . Of course, the rest of the environment will be from the middle of 2010. You could run an equally old build of any other distribution too, of course, but few will have any support at this point, and you'll likely be able to find old guide/howto threads for running the GMA500 proprietary drivers on Ubuntu more easily than any other distro. If you want to go this route, the best thing to do is probably to start Googling or searching the Ubuntu forums (where Poulsbo-proprietary-driver-folk-wisdom tends to reside) with the magic string 'emgd'. AFAIK none of the two or three different proprietary drivers put out by different groups at Intel (yes...really) for the Poulsbo has been maintained at all since 2011 or so, and you have no effective chance of getting any of them working on distros with Xorg 1.10 or newer and/or kernel 3.0 or newer. For anything modern you're stuck with vesa or the gma500_gfx kernel driver and xorg-x11-drv-modesetting, which will be barely any better than vesa, and both of which will be extremely sluggish. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: What is support status of PowerVR GPUs in Fedora? (Intel D2500 and gma500_gfx)
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: On Nov 14, 2013 5:05 AM, valent.turko...@gmail.com valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Friend of mine just showed me his cheap 13 laptop running Intel D2500 and first thing he said that he had issue installing linux on it. When I asked about GPU and answer was Intel I assured him that for last 10 years I only used Intel GPU based laptops and had great experience. I tried Fedora 19 Live - failed to boot, then Linux Mint 15 - got to screen but with terrible artifacts on screen, check them out - http://youtu.be/mha7fZU1xFg, then tried latest Fedora 20 Live Beta 5 - boot starts with artefacts but fails to boot into desktop. Few hours later after reading up on this issue I managed to get laptop working with Linux Mint 15 (updated kernel to 3.11) but had to blacklist gma500_gfx driver, only then I get somewhat usable laptop (but with lower resolution and no video acceleration). I'm really interested what is the state of gma500_gfx driver in latest kernel, is it reasonable to expect that this driver will get updated and have better support or should I just say to my friend to grab version of Windows 7 and to run with it... any suggestions? -- I have a box with the same generation of Atom/PowerVR (Cedar Trail? Cedar View? No access at the moment). I can't get *any* display manager to work reliably, but I can `xinit gnome-session` with reasonable results. Once X stops, whether from killing the process or switching targets, the GPU is locked until reboot. I gave the thing to a friend to use as an HTPC, and he gave it back saying he couldn't find Windows drivers for it, and neither could I. I'm using it as a disposable rawhide playground now. If anyone really wants to hack out support for this I'd be happy to ship it to them. Just sell it on ebay or something and buy something sane instead. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
