ODP: adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
It should be included orca, and speech dispatcher. I can be a tester of this image. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
The fedora media writer isn’t accessible with nvda, the screenreader on windows. I will use Rufus. Thank you for answer. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 11:13 AM, Martin Kolman wrote: Certainly - but I'm afraid we in the Anaconda team don't have any experience what all needs to be available (what packages should be included & what services started) to make text-to-speech work on the image. We would definitely welcome some feedback from a domain expert on this. I've been advised that the domain experts are available at orca-l...@gnome.org: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list which seems to be pretty active. Good place for questions for both developers and users. I'm also told that standard advice is currently to only use live installers if accessibility features are required. Shame. Michael ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
On Fri, 2019-06-28 at 10:50 -0500, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 10:44 AM, stan via devel > wrote: > > it doesn't make sense to open a bug. There is no gnome, and because > > adding gnome would make the image too large, it will not be added. > > Netinstall is a minimal image meant to be used from virtual consoles > > with no graphical support. > > But remember this isn't exclusive to netinstall. Only the live image > runs a GNOME session: that's the only scenario when anaconda is running > inside GNOME. > > I think it makes sense to open a bug against anaconda to ask the > anaconda developers whether text-to-speech is intended to work outside > of live images. Certainly - but I'm afraid we in the Anaconda team don't have any experience what all needs to be available (what packages should be included & what services started) to make text-to-speech work on the image. We would definitely welcome some feedback from a domain expert on this. There is also possibly an issue with size of the network installation image growing (which influences minimum RAM requirements for network installations in some cases), but I think we can look into that once we have concrete numbers available. > It seems odd to require that blind users exclusively > use live images to install Fedora. E.g. that's not how RHEL is expected > to be installed. And non-Workstation Fedora products do not have live > installers. > > Michael > > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 10:44 AM, stan via devel wrote: it doesn't make sense to open a bug. There is no gnome, and because adding gnome would make the image too large, it will not be added. Netinstall is a minimal image meant to be used from virtual consoles with no graphical support. But remember this isn't exclusive to netinstall. Only the live image runs a GNOME session: that's the only scenario when anaconda is running inside GNOME. I think it makes sense to open a bug against anaconda to ask the anaconda developers whether text-to-speech is intended to work outside of live images. It seems odd to require that blind users exclusively use live images to install Fedora. E.g. that's not how RHEL is expected to be installed. And non-Workstation Fedora products do not have live installers. Michael ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 22:01:23 +0200 Mmobilea wrote: > OK. If you can, open a new bug. Because of the response of mcatanzaro, Only the live image runs in a GNOME session where GNOME session services like orca are expected to be working. The netinstall image only runs anaconda, it doesn't run GNOME at all. it doesn't make sense to open a bug. There is no gnome, and because adding gnome would make the image too large, it will not be added. Netinstall is a minimal image meant to be used from virtual consoles with no graphical support. Your only alternative for accessibility is the workstation live image. https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Workstation/x86_64/iso/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-30-1.2.iso This is approximately 1.8GB in size, so about 3 times as large as the netinstall images. Is that too large for your pen drive? It seems unlikely, unless it is very old. If you are running windows or mac, you will need the fedora media writer, from one of the links on this page at the upper left. https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/ This page gives alternatives for creating a bootable live image from linux (fedora in particular). https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/index.html ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
ODP: adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
OK. If you can, open a new bug. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:31 AM, stan via devel wrote: I'm not familiar enough with orca and gnome to say if this is a bug or not. When I looked for bugs, I found a bug from February that stated Only the live image runs in a GNOME session where GNOME session services like orca are expected to be working. The netinstall image only runs anaconda, it doesn't run GNOME at all. I don't know whether the anaconda developers except orca to be supported in netinstall mode. Michael ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 10:26:23 +0200 Mmobilea wrote: > But I have tried fedora workstation net inst image, not server image. > I pressed alt+super+s, and orca doesn’t run on net installer. Next, I > thought, that I must to have wired internet connection. I created a > USB hodspot with my mobile phone, and it wasn’t any speech. I'm not familiar enough with orca and gnome to say if this is a bug or not. When I looked for bugs, I found a bug from February that stated WARNING: Could not parse desktop file orca-autostart.desktop or it references a not found TryExec binary I don't know if that would cause the behavior you are seeing. It might be that there is not enough space on the netinstall image to support orca, and that it is only supported on the full image. If you like, I can open a bugzilla about this for you, to see if your experience is expected behavior because of space limitations, or a bug. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
ODP: adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
But I have tried fedora workstation net inst image, not server image. I pressed alt+super+s, and orca doesn’t run on net installer. Next, I thought, that I must to have wired internet connection. I created a USB hodspot with my mobile phone, and it wasn’t any speech. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 14:26:14 +0200 Mmobilea wrote: > Hello, > I’m new blind user of fedora 30. I couldn’t find where to post this > request. I have small pendrive, and I must use network installer. > Howewer orca or speakup doesn’t run on it. Could you add speech to > the installer? Sorry for my English, i’m from Poland Nothing wrong with your English. Orca requires a desktop (graphical user interface) to run, and the server netinstall image does not have a desktop. And, from what I can find on the web, the Fedora kernels do not include speakup because it is not considered part of the stable kernel tree, so it would be difficult to add speech support. I suggest you try the network installer for fedora workstation. It uses gnome, which has the best linux accessibility interfaces, and is the same size as the server netinstall image. Because of the size restriction, the accessibility interfaces might be limited, though. https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Workstation/x86_64/iso/Fedora-Workstation-netinst-x86_64-30-1.2.iso ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
adding speech installation to fedora network installation image
Hello, I’m new blind user of fedora 30. I couldn’t find where to post this request. I have small pendrive, and I must use network installer. Howewer orca or speakup doesn’t run on it. Could you add speech to the installer? Sorry for my English, i’m from Poland ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
