Re: is the license AGPL 3.0 useable in terms of distributing the software as a package?

2021-03-24 Thread Marius Schwarz

Am 24.03.21 um 02:44 schrieb Kevin Kofler via devel:

Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:

This is the reason why MBROLA is not in Fedora. MBROLA is not new. It is
much older than the 2-year-old GitHub project. The license of the voices
has always been the blocker.

PS: This was already discussed when the GitHub project was created in 2019:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/le...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/MAAY3B6KUVAV7YRNUSW7G6672WUAFWYJ/
with the same conclusion. (It is not acceptable for Fedora, unfortunately.)

And, a small correction: according to the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBROLA
the license of the software itself did actually change from a non-free
license to the AGPL when the project was imported into GitHub. But
unfortunately, the license of the data files is still a blocker, sorry.



A very helpfull explanation. Thanks.

Best regards,
Marius Schwarz

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Re: is the license AGPL 3.0 useable in terms of distributing the software as a package?

2021-03-23 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> This is the reason why MBROLA is not in Fedora. MBROLA is not new. It is
> much older than the 2-year-old GitHub project. The license of the voices
> has always been the blocker.

PS: This was already discussed when the GitHub project was created in 2019:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/le...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/MAAY3B6KUVAV7YRNUSW7G6672WUAFWYJ/
with the same conclusion. (It is not acceptable for Fedora, unfortunately.)

And, a small correction: according to the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBROLA
the license of the software itself did actually change from a non-free 
license to the AGPL when the project was imported into GitHub. But 
unfortunately, the license of the data files is still a blocker, sorry.

Kevin Kofler
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Re: is the license AGPL 3.0 useable in terms of distributing the software as a package?

2021-03-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 9:18 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
 wrote:
>
> Marius Schwarz wrote:
> > is the license AGPL 3.0 useable in terms of distributing the software as
> > a package in a Fedora repo?
>
> The AGPL is acceptable for Fedora, *but*…
>
> > This project is meant:
> >
> > https://github.com/numediart/MBROLA/blob/master/LICENSE
>
> … MBROLA is *not*, because…
>
> > Example license for voices:
> >
> > https://github.com/numediart/MBROLA-voices/blob/master/data/de1/license.txt
>
> … this license is notoriously non-free:
>
> * It allows usage only with MBROLA:
> > Permission is granted to use this database for synthesizing
> > speech with and only with the Mbrola program […]
> AND
> * It forbids charging for the act of distributing, even as part of a larger
>   software distribution such as Fedora:
> > In addition, this database may not be sold or incorporated into
> > any product which is sold without prior permission from the
> > Diphone Database Owner ( engl...@ieee.org ).
> >
> > When no charge is made, this database may be copied and distributed
> > freely, provided that this notice is copied and distributed with it.
>
> and especially the latter restriction disqualifies it even for the non-free
> content / binary firmware exception. Even (non-code) content and firmware
> blobs *MUST* be commercially distributable to be allowed in Fedora.
>
> This is the reason why MBROLA is not in Fedora. MBROLA is not new. It is
> much older than the 2-year-old GitHub project. The license of the voices has
> always been the blocker.
>

Ugh, I missed that part. Whoops. Yeah, Kevin is right and this project
is still not permitted in Fedora.


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Re: is the license AGPL 3.0 useable in terms of distributing the software as a package?

2021-03-23 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Marius Schwarz wrote:
> is the license AGPL 3.0 useable in terms of distributing the software as
> a package in a Fedora repo?

The AGPL is acceptable for Fedora, *but*…

> This project is meant:
> 
> https://github.com/numediart/MBROLA/blob/master/LICENSE

… MBROLA is *not*, because… 

> Example license for voices:
> 
> https://github.com/numediart/MBROLA-voices/blob/master/data/de1/license.txt

… this license is notoriously non-free:

* It allows usage only with MBROLA:
> Permission is granted to use this database for synthesizing 
> speech with and only with the Mbrola program […]
AND
* It forbids charging for the act of distributing, even as part of a larger
  software distribution such as Fedora:
> In addition, this database may not be sold or incorporated into 
> any product which is sold without prior permission from the 
> Diphone Database Owner ( engl...@ieee.org ).
>
> When no charge is made, this database may be copied and distributed
> freely, provided that this notice is copied and distributed with it.

and especially the latter restriction disqualifies it even for the non-free 
content / binary firmware exception. Even (non-code) content and firmware 
blobs *MUST* be commercially distributable to be allowed in Fedora.

This is the reason why MBROLA is not in Fedora. MBROLA is not new. It is 
much older than the 2-year-old GitHub project. The license of the voices has 
always been the blocker.

Kevin Kofler
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Re: is the license AGPL 3.0 useable in terms of distributing the software as a package?

2021-03-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 5:42 PM Marius Schwarz  wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> is the license AGPL 3.0 useable in terms of distributing the software as
> a package in a Fedora repo?
>
> This project is meant:
>
> https://github.com/numediart/MBROLA/blob/master/LICENSE
>
> Example license for voices:
>
> https://github.com/numediart/MBROLA-voices/blob/master/data/de1/license.txt
>

Yes: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Good_Licenses



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is the license AGPL 3.0 useable in terms of distributing the software as a package?

2021-03-23 Thread Marius Schwarz

hi,

is the license AGPL 3.0 useable in terms of distributing the software as 
a package in a Fedora repo?


This project is meant:

https://github.com/numediart/MBROLA/blob/master/LICENSE

Example license for voices:

https://github.com/numediart/MBROLA-voices/blob/master/data/de1/license.txt

best regards,
Marius Schwarz
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