Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-06 Thread Jerry James
2011/6/5 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net:
 has anybody an idea for which package i should file a bugreport
 for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman

Maybe.  I notice that the bad value is 16777216.00 TiB, which is 2**64
... on a 64-bit machine.  A quick look through the vnstat code shows
that it is using floating point arithmetic with rounding to print this
value, so that's exactly what I would expect to see if somebody
managed to stuff -1 (or any other negative value of small magnitude)
into an unsigned 64-bit variable.
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Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-06 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 06.06.2011 17:15, schrieb Jerry James:
 2011/6/5 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net:
 has anybody an idea for which package i should file a bugreport
 for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman
 
 Maybe.  I notice that the bad value is 16777216.00 TiB, which is 2**64
 ... on a 64-bit machine.  A quick look through the vnstat code shows
 that it is using floating point arithmetic with rounding to print this
 value, so that's exactly what I would expect to see if somebody
 managed to stuff -1 (or any other negative value of small magnitude)
 into an unsigned 64-bit variable.

ok - so i should file a bugreport to vnstat if i understand you right?



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Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-06 Thread Jerry James
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 ok - so i should file a bugreport to vnstat if i understand you right?

I think so, yes.
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vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Reindl Harald
has anybody an idea for which package i should file a bugreport
for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman

every night from friday to saturday from our fedora-vmware-guests
is made a snapshot by VMware Data Recovery to take a consistent
backup and while deleting the snapshot something triggers horrible
wrong values to vnstat which makes monthly summary useless

see below :-(


 eth0  /  daily

 day rx  | tx  |total|   avg. rate
 +-+-+---
  05/07/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.56 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 
Tbit/s
  05/08/11855.27 MiB |4.24 GiB |5.07 GiB |  492.63 kbit/s
  05/09/11  2.35 GiB |   72.14 GiB |   74.49 GiB |7.23 Mbit/s
  05/10/11  1.47 GiB |   11.41 GiB |   12.88 GiB |1.25 Mbit/s
  05/11/11  1.11 GiB |6.19 GiB |7.30 GiB |  708.76 kbit/s
  05/12/11  1.17 GiB |5.82 GiB |6.99 GiB |  678.38 kbit/s
  05/13/11  1.12 GiB |6.50 GiB |7.62 GiB |  739.88 kbit/s
  05/14/11   33554432.00 TiB |4.10 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 
Tbit/s
  05/15/11778.85 MiB |4.45 GiB |5.21 GiB |  505.87 kbit/s
  05/16/11  1.30 GiB |7.37 GiB |8.67 GiB |  842.06 kbit/s
  05/17/11  1.38 GiB |8.18 GiB |9.56 GiB |  928.20 kbit/s
  05/18/11  1.21 GiB |6.83 GiB |8.04 GiB |  780.32 kbit/s
  05/19/11  1.03 GiB |5.68 GiB |6.72 GiB |  652.10 kbit/s
  05/20/11  1.11 GiB |5.18 GiB |6.29 GiB |  610.67 kbit/s
  05/21/11   16777216.00 TiB |3.97 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 
Tbit/s
  05/22/11902.15 MiB |6.74 GiB |7.62 GiB |  739.58 kbit/s
  05/23/11  1.28 GiB |   16.56 GiB |   17.84 GiB |1.73 Mbit/s
  05/24/11  1.60 GiB |   11.42 GiB |   13.02 GiB |1.26 Mbit/s
  05/25/11  1.47 GiB |6.65 GiB |8.12 GiB |  788.78 kbit/s
  05/26/11  1.23 GiB |7.40 GiB |8.64 GiB |  838.46 kbit/s
  05/27/11  1.43 GiB |6.75 GiB |8.19 GiB |  794.70 kbit/s
  05/28/11   33554432.00 TiB |5.44 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 
Tbit/s
  05/29/11855.65 MiB |4.89 GiB |5.72 GiB |  555.47 kbit/s
  05/30/11  1.43 GiB |9.20 GiB |   10.62 GiB |1.03 Mbit/s
  05/31/11  1.77 GiB |9.52 GiB |   11.29 GiB |1.10 Mbit/s
  06/01/11  1.51 GiB |9.43 GiB |   10.94 GiB |1.06 Mbit/s
  06/02/11906.48 MiB |5.90 GiB |6.79 GiB |  658.85 kbit/s
  06/03/11  2.36 GiB |9.40 GiB |   11.77 GiB |1.14 Mbit/s
  06/04/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.15 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 
Tbit/s
  06/05/11585.88 MiB |2.30 GiB |2.87 GiB |  417.64 kbit/s
+-+-+---

 estimated   877 MiB |3.44 GiB |4.30 GiB |



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Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Lars Schotte
is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as well? do you have
a 64bit OS or 32bit? did you try to report it to vmware as well?

On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:06:48 +0200
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 has anybody an idea for which package i should file a bugreport
 for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman
 
 every night from friday to saturday from our fedora-vmware-guests
 is made a snapshot by VMware Data Recovery to take a consistent
 backup and while deleting the snapshot something triggers horrible
 wrong values to vnstat which makes monthly summary useless
 
 see below :-(
 
 
  eth0  /  daily
 
  day rx  | tx  |total|   avg. rate
  +-+-+---
   05/07/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.56 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB |
 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/08/11855.27 MiB |4.24 GiB |5.07 GiB |
 492.63 kbit/s 05/09/11  2.35 GiB |   72.14 GiB |   74.49 GiB |
 7.23 Mbit/s 05/10/11  1.47 GiB |   11.41 GiB |   12.88 GiB |
 1.25 Mbit/s 05/11/11  1.11 GiB |6.19 GiB |7.30 GiB |
 708.76 kbit/s 05/12/11  1.17 GiB |5.82 GiB |6.99 GiB |
 678.38 kbit/s 05/13/11  1.12 GiB |6.50 GiB |7.62 GiB |
 739.88 kbit/s 05/14/11   33554432.00 TiB |4.10 GiB | 33554432.00
 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s 05/15/11778.85 MiB |4.45 GiB |5.21
 GiB |  505.87 kbit/s 05/16/11  1.30 GiB |7.37 GiB |8.67
 GiB |  842.06 kbit/s 05/17/11  1.38 GiB |8.18 GiB |9.56
 GiB |  928.20 kbit/s 05/18/11  1.21 GiB |6.83 GiB |8.04
 GiB |  780.32 kbit/s 05/19/11  1.03 GiB |5.68 GiB |6.72
 GiB |  652.10 kbit/s 05/20/11  1.11 GiB |5.18 GiB |6.29
 GiB |  610.67 kbit/s 05/21/11   16777216.00 TiB |3.97 GiB |
 16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/22/11902.15 MiB |6.74 GiB
 |7.62 GiB |  739.58 kbit/s 05/23/11  1.28 GiB |   16.56 GiB
 |   17.84 GiB |1.73 Mbit/s 05/24/11  1.60 GiB |   11.42 GiB
 |   13.02 GiB |1.26 Mbit/s 05/25/11  1.47 GiB |6.65 GiB
 |8.12 GiB |  788.78 kbit/s 05/26/11  1.23 GiB |7.40 GiB
 |8.64 GiB |  838.46 kbit/s 05/27/11  1.43 GiB |6.75 GiB
 |8.19 GiB |  794.70 kbit/s 05/28/11   33554432.00 TiB |5.44
 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s 05/29/11855.65 MiB |
 4.89 GiB |5.72 GiB |  555.47 kbit/s 05/30/11  1.43 GiB |
 9.20 GiB |   10.62 GiB |1.03 Mbit/s 05/31/11  1.77 GiB |
 9.52 GiB |   11.29 GiB |1.10 Mbit/s 06/01/11  1.51 GiB |
 9.43 GiB |   10.94 GiB |1.06 Mbit/s 06/02/11906.48 MiB |
 5.90 GiB |6.79 GiB |  658.85 kbit/s 06/03/11  2.36 GiB |
 9.40 GiB |   11.77 GiB |1.14 Mbit/s 06/04/11   16777216.00 TiB
 |5.15 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 Tbit/s 06/05/11585.88
 MiB |2.30 GiB |2.87 GiB |  417.64 kbit/s
 +-+-+---
 
  estimated   877 MiB |3.44 GiB |4.30 GiB |
 


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Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Reindl Harald

Am 05.06.2011 16:12, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as well? 

not currently, but i have seen such outputs in ifconfig too

 do you have a 64bit OS or 32bit? 

seems only affect x86_64 guests
good input - the voip-machine is the only 32bit and
does not show this

 did you try to report it to vmware as well?

they will anser fedora is not official supported and
open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:06:48 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 has anybody an idea for which package i should file a bugreport
 for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman

 every night from friday to saturday from our fedora-vmware-guests
 is made a snapshot by VMware Data Recovery to take a consistent
 backup and while deleting the snapshot something triggers horrible
 wrong values to vnstat which makes monthly summary useless

 see below :-(


  eth0  /  daily

  day rx  | tx  |total|   avg. rate
  +-+-+---
   05/07/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.56 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB |
 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/08/11855.27 MiB |4.24 GiB |5.07 GiB |
 492.63 kbit/s 05/09/11  2.35 GiB |   72.14 GiB |   74.49 GiB |
 7.23 Mbit/s 05/10/11  1.47 GiB |   11.41 GiB |   12.88 GiB |
 1.25 Mbit/s 05/11/11  1.11 GiB |6.19 GiB |7.30 GiB |
 708.76 kbit/s 05/12/11  1.17 GiB |5.82 GiB |6.99 GiB |
 678.38 kbit/s 05/13/11  1.12 GiB |6.50 GiB |7.62 GiB |
 739.88 kbit/s 05/14/11   33554432.00 TiB |4.10 GiB | 33554432.00
 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s 05/15/11778.85 MiB |4.45 GiB |5.21
 GiB |  505.87 kbit/s 05/16/11  1.30 GiB |7.37 GiB |8.67
 GiB |  842.06 kbit/s 05/17/11  1.38 GiB |8.18 GiB |9.56
 GiB |  928.20 kbit/s 05/18/11  1.21 GiB |6.83 GiB |8.04
 GiB |  780.32 kbit/s 05/19/11  1.03 GiB |5.68 GiB |6.72
 GiB |  652.10 kbit/s 05/20/11  1.11 GiB |5.18 GiB |6.29
 GiB |  610.67 kbit/s 05/21/11   16777216.00 TiB |3.97 GiB |
 16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/22/11902.15 MiB |6.74 GiB
 |7.62 GiB |  739.58 kbit/s 05/23/11  1.28 GiB |   16.56 GiB
 |   17.84 GiB |1.73 Mbit/s 05/24/11  1.60 GiB |   11.42 GiB
 |   13.02 GiB |1.26 Mbit/s 05/25/11  1.47 GiB |6.65 GiB
 |8.12 GiB |  788.78 kbit/s 05/26/11  1.23 GiB |7.40 GiB
 |8.64 GiB |  838.46 kbit/s 05/27/11  1.43 GiB |6.75 GiB
 |8.19 GiB |  794.70 kbit/s 05/28/11   33554432.00 TiB |5.44
 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s 05/29/11855.65 MiB |
 4.89 GiB |5.72 GiB |  555.47 kbit/s 05/30/11  1.43 GiB |
 9.20 GiB |   10.62 GiB |1.03 Mbit/s 05/31/11  1.77 GiB |
 9.52 GiB |   11.29 GiB |1.10 Mbit/s 06/01/11  1.51 GiB |
 9.43 GiB |   10.94 GiB |1.06 Mbit/s 06/02/11906.48 MiB |
 5.90 GiB |6.79 GiB |  658.85 kbit/s 06/03/11  2.36 GiB |
 9.40 GiB |   11.77 GiB |1.14 Mbit/s 06/04/11   16777216.00 TiB
 |5.15 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 Tbit/s 06/05/11585.88
 MiB |2.30 GiB |2.87 GiB |  417.64 kbit/s
 +-+-+---

  estimated   877 MiB |3.44 GiB |4.30 GiB |

 
 

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Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Lars Schotte
w8, so you are saying that you run vnstat on the guests?

On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:16:44 +0200
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 
 Am 05.06.2011 16:12, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as well? 
 
 not currently, but i have seen such outputs in ifconfig too
 
  do you have a 64bit OS or 32bit? 
 
 seems only affect x86_64 guests
 good input - the voip-machine is the only 32bit and
 does not show this
 
  did you try to report it to vmware as well?
 
 they will anser fedora is not official supported and
 open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:06:48 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
  
  has anybody an idea for which package i should file a bugreport
  for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman
 
  every night from friday to saturday from our fedora-vmware-guests
  is made a snapshot by VMware Data Recovery to take a consistent
  backup and while deleting the snapshot something triggers horrible
  wrong values to vnstat which makes monthly summary useless
 
  see below :-(
 
 
   eth0  /  daily
 
   day rx  | tx  |total|   avg.
  rate
  +-+-+---
  05/07/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.56 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB |
  1668.00 Tbit/s 05/08/11855.27 MiB |4.24 GiB |5.07 GiB
  | 492.63 kbit/s 05/09/11  2.35 GiB |   72.14 GiB |   74.49 GiB
  | 7.23 Mbit/s 05/10/11  1.47 GiB |   11.41 GiB |   12.88 GiB |
  1.25 Mbit/s 05/11/11  1.11 GiB |6.19 GiB |7.30 GiB |
  708.76 kbit/s 05/12/11  1.17 GiB |5.82 GiB |6.99 GiB |
  678.38 kbit/s 05/13/11  1.12 GiB |6.50 GiB |7.62 GiB |
  739.88 kbit/s 05/14/11   33554432.00 TiB |4.10 GiB |
  33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s 05/15/11778.85 MiB |4.45
  GiB |5.21 GiB |  505.87 kbit/s 05/16/11  1.30 GiB |
  7.37 GiB |8.67 GiB |  842.06 kbit/s 05/17/11  1.38 GiB
  |8.18 GiB |9.56 GiB |  928.20 kbit/s 05/18/11  1.21
  GiB |6.83 GiB |8.04 GiB |  780.32 kbit/s 05/19/11
  1.03 GiB |5.68 GiB |6.72 GiB |  652.10 kbit/s
  05/20/11  1.11 GiB |5.18 GiB |6.29 GiB |  610.67
  kbit/s 05/21/11   16777216.00 TiB |3.97 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB
  | 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/22/11902.15 MiB |6.74 GiB |7.62
  GiB |  739.58 kbit/s 05/23/11  1.28 GiB |   16.56 GiB |
  17.84 GiB |1.73 Mbit/s 05/24/11  1.60 GiB |   11.42 GiB
  |   13.02 GiB |1.26 Mbit/s 05/25/11  1.47 GiB |6.65
  GiB |8.12 GiB |  788.78 kbit/s 05/26/11  1.23 GiB |
  7.40 GiB |8.64 GiB |  838.46 kbit/s 05/27/11  1.43 GiB
  |6.75 GiB |8.19 GiB |  794.70 kbit/s 05/28/11
  33554432.00 TiB |5.44 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s
  05/29/11855.65 MiB | 4.89 GiB |5.72 GiB |  555.47 kbit/s
  05/30/11  1.43 GiB | 9.20 GiB |   10.62 GiB |1.03 Mbit/s
  05/31/11  1.77 GiB | 9.52 GiB |   11.29 GiB |1.10 Mbit/s
  06/01/11  1.51 GiB | 9.43 GiB |   10.94 GiB |1.06 Mbit/s
  06/02/11906.48 MiB | 5.90 GiB |6.79 GiB |  658.85 kbit/s
  06/03/11  2.36 GiB | 9.40 GiB |   11.77 GiB |1.14 Mbit/s
  06/04/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.15 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB |
  1668.00 Tbit/s 06/05/11585.88 MiB |2.30 GiB |2.87 GiB
  |  417.64 kbit/s
  +-+-+---
 
   estimated   877 MiB |3.44 GiB |4.30 GiB |
 
  
  
 


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Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Lars Schotte
hm .. as i see it, it doesnt look like a vnstat bug to me. on 32bit
maybe you have other corrupted data, because of the buffer overflow you
dont notice it.

i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on guests w/
vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly, its still just a
fictional ethernet device. maybe a vmware monitoring software would be
more precise or an alternative would be to bind each to a virtual
network card and do the monitoring on the host measuring only the
output data and then routing all this devices out, thereby using the
host as a router, which is of course a more complicated setup and i am
not even sure if it would work, but thats the way i would try to build
it up.

On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:20:16 +0200
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 yes!
 
 works perfectly, only after dealing with snapshots there are
 this horrible peaks on 64bit guests
 
 Am 05.06.2011 16:18, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  w8, so you are saying that you run vnstat on the guests?
  
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:16:44 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
  
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:12, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as well? 
 
  not currently, but i have seen such outputs in ifconfig too
 
  do you have a 64bit OS or 32bit? 
 
  seems only affect x86_64 guests
  good input - the voip-machine is the only 32bit and
  does not show this
 
  did you try to report it to vmware as well?
 
  they will anser fedora is not official supported and
  open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:06:48 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
  has anybody an idea for which package i should file a bugreport
  for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman
 
  every night from friday to saturday from our fedora-vmware-guests
  is made a snapshot by VMware Data Recovery to take a consistent
  backup and while deleting the snapshot something triggers
  horrible wrong values to vnstat which makes monthly summary
  useless
 
  see below :-(
 
 
   eth0  /  daily
 
   day rx  | tx  |total|   avg.
  rate
  +-+-+---
  05/07/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.56 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB |
  1668.00 Tbit/s 05/08/11855.27 MiB |4.24 GiB |5.07 GiB
  | 492.63 kbit/s 05/09/11  2.35 GiB |   72.14 GiB |   74.49
  GiB | 7.23 Mbit/s 05/10/11  1.47 GiB |   11.41 GiB |   12.88
  GiB | 1.25 Mbit/s 05/11/11  1.11 GiB |6.19 GiB |7.30
  GiB | 708.76 kbit/s 05/12/11  1.17 GiB |5.82 GiB |
  6.99 GiB | 678.38 kbit/s 05/13/11  1.12 GiB |6.50 GiB
  |7.62 GiB | 739.88 kbit/s 05/14/11   33554432.00 TiB |
  4.10 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s 05/15/11778.85
  MiB |4.45 GiB |5.21 GiB |  505.87 kbit/s 05/16/11
  1.30 GiB | 7.37 GiB |8.67 GiB |  842.06 kbit/s 05/17/11
  1.38 GiB |8.18 GiB |9.56 GiB |  928.20 kbit/s
  05/18/11  1.21 GiB |6.83 GiB |8.04 GiB |  780.32
  kbit/s 05/19/11 1.03 GiB |5.68 GiB |6.72 GiB |  652.10
  kbit/s 05/20/11  1.11 GiB |5.18 GiB |6.29 GiB |
  610.67 kbit/s 05/21/11   16777216.00 TiB |3.97 GiB |
  16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/22/11902.15 MiB |
  6.74 GiB |7.62 GiB |  739.58 kbit/s 05/23/11  1.28 GiB
  |   16.56 GiB | 17.84 GiB |1.73 Mbit/s 05/24/11  1.60
  GiB |   11.42 GiB |   13.02 GiB |1.26 Mbit/s 05/25/11
  1.47 GiB |6.65 GiB |8.12 GiB |  788.78 kbit/s
  05/26/11  1.23 GiB | 7.40 GiB |8.64 GiB |  838.46 kbit/s
  05/27/11  1.43 GiB |6.75 GiB |8.19 GiB |  794.70
  kbit/s 05/28/11 33554432.00 TiB |5.44 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB
  | 3336.00 Tbit/s 05/29/11855.65 MiB | 4.89 GiB |5.72 GiB
  |  555.47 kbit/s 05/30/11  1.43 GiB | 9.20 GiB |   10.62 GiB
  |1.03 Mbit/s 05/31/11  1.77 GiB | 9.52 GiB |   11.29 GiB
  |1.10 Mbit/s 06/01/11  1.51 GiB | 9.43 GiB |   10.94 GiB
  |1.06 Mbit/s 06/02/11906.48 MiB | 5.90 GiB |6.79 GiB
  |  658.85 kbit/s 06/03/11  2.36 GiB | 9.40 GiB |   11.77 GiB
  |1.14 Mbit/s 06/04/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.15 GiB |
  16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 Tbit/s 06/05/11585.88 MiB |
  2.30 GiB |2.87 GiB |  417.64 kbit/s
  +-+-+---
 
   estimated   877 MiB |3.44 GiB |4.30 GiB |
 
 
 
 
  
  
 


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Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 05.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on guests w/
 vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly, its still just a
 fictional ethernet device. 

what is there fictional?

it is a ethernet-device with all features of a ethernet-device
ond the guest does know nothing about virtualization

 maybe a vmware monitoring software would be
 more precise or an alternative would be to bind each to a virtual
 network card and do the monitoring on the host measuring only the
 output data and then routing all this devices out, thereby using the
 host as a router, which is of course a more complicated setup and i am
 not even sure if it would work, but thats the way i would try to build
 it up.

jesus for what reason?

the host is not a router, the host is a virtual switch
and yes you have monitoring on the vCenter-Server but not
in a console like output and not with exactly numbers

this are two different worlds and i see no reason why
vnstat would not work on the guest because it does

only while snapshots are taken / removed there are some
short untrue peaks which would be easaliy could filtered
in the guest-software only by their hughe numbers which are
clearly impossible and the problem is that this does not
happen and so if some measuring says 20 GB in two seconds
all averages are destroyed

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:20:16 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 yes!

 works perfectly, only after dealing with snapshots there are
 this horrible peaks on 64bit guests

 Am 05.06.2011 16:18, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 w8, so you are saying that you run vnstat on the guests?

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:16:44 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


 Am 05.06.2011 16:12, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as well? 

 not currently, but i have seen such outputs in ifconfig too

 do you have a 64bit OS or 32bit? 

 seems only affect x86_64 guests
 good input - the voip-machine is the only 32bit and
 does not show this

 did you try to report it to vmware as well?

 they will anser fedora is not official supported and
 open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:06:48 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 has anybody an idea for which package i should file a bugreport
 for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman

 every night from friday to saturday from our fedora-vmware-guests
 is made a snapshot by VMware Data Recovery to take a consistent
 backup and while deleting the snapshot something triggers
 horrible wrong values to vnstat which makes monthly summary
 useless

 see below :-(


  eth0  /  daily

  day rx  | tx  |total|   avg.
 rate
 +-+-+---
 05/07/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.56 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB |
 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/08/11855.27 MiB |4.24 GiB |5.07 GiB
 | 492.63 kbit/s 05/09/11  2.35 GiB |   72.14 GiB |   74.49
 GiB | 7.23 Mbit/s 05/10/11  1.47 GiB |   11.41 GiB |   12.88
 GiB | 1.25 Mbit/s 05/11/11  1.11 GiB |6.19 GiB |7.30
 GiB | 708.76 kbit/s 05/12/11  1.17 GiB |5.82 GiB |
 6.99 GiB | 678.38 kbit/s 05/13/11  1.12 GiB |6.50 GiB
 |7.62 GiB | 739.88 kbit/s 05/14/11   33554432.00 TiB |
 4.10 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s 05/15/11778.85
 MiB |4.45 GiB |5.21 GiB |  505.87 kbit/s 05/16/11
 1.30 GiB | 7.37 GiB |8.67 GiB |  842.06 kbit/s 05/17/11
 1.38 GiB |8.18 GiB |9.56 GiB |  928.20 kbit/s
 05/18/11  1.21 GiB |6.83 GiB |8.04 GiB |  780.32
 kbit/s 05/19/11 1.03 GiB |5.68 GiB |6.72 GiB |  652.10
 kbit/s 05/20/11  1.11 GiB |5.18 GiB |6.29 GiB |
 610.67 kbit/s 05/21/11   16777216.00 TiB |3.97 GiB |
 16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/22/11902.15 MiB |
 6.74 GiB |7.62 GiB |  739.58 kbit/s 05/23/11  1.28 GiB
 |   16.56 GiB | 17.84 GiB |1.73 Mbit/s 05/24/11  1.60
 GiB |   11.42 GiB |   13.02 GiB |1.26 Mbit/s 05/25/11
 1.47 GiB |6.65 GiB |8.12 GiB |  788.78 kbit/s
 05/26/11  1.23 GiB | 7.40 GiB |8.64 GiB |  838.46 kbit/s
 05/27/11  1.43 GiB |6.75 GiB |8.19 GiB |  794.70
 kbit/s 05/28/11 33554432.00 TiB |5.44 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB
 | 3336.00 Tbit/s 05/29/11855.65 MiB | 4.89 GiB |5.72 GiB
 |  555.47 kbit/s 05/30/11  1.43 GiB | 9.20 GiB |   10.62 GiB
 |1.03 Mbit/s 05/31/11  1.77 GiB | 9.52 GiB |   11.29 GiB
 |1.10 Mbit/s 06/01/11  1.51 GiB | 9.43 GiB |   10.94 GiB
 |1.06 Mbit/s 06/02/11906.48 MiB | 5.90 GiB |6.79 GiB
 |  658.85 kbit/s 06/03/11  2.36 GiB | 9.40 GiB |   11.77 GiB
 |1.14 Mbit/s 06/04/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.15 GiB |
 16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 Tbit/s 06/05/11585.88 MiB |
 2.30 GiB |2.87 GiB |  417.64 kbit/s
 +-+-+---

  estimated   877 MiB |3.44 GiB |  

Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Lars Schotte
so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots through
that virtualized ethernet devices. maybe an extra ethernet device would
help. the first one left for that snapshots fiction and second for
networking.

On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:34:49 +0200
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 
 
 Am 05.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on guests
  w/ vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly, its still just a
  fictional ethernet device. 
 
 what is there fictional?
 
 it is a ethernet-device with all features of a ethernet-device
 ond the guest does know nothing about virtualization
 
  maybe a vmware monitoring software would be
  more precise or an alternative would be to bind each to a virtual
  network card and do the monitoring on the host measuring only the
  output data and then routing all this devices out, thereby using the
  host as a router, which is of course a more complicated setup and i
  am not even sure if it would work, but thats the way i would try to
  build it up.
 
 jesus for what reason?
 
 the host is not a router, the host is a virtual switch
 and yes you have monitoring on the vCenter-Server but not
 in a console like output and not with exactly numbers
 
 this are two different worlds and i see no reason why
 vnstat would not work on the guest because it does
 
 only while snapshots are taken / removed there are some
 short untrue peaks which would be easaliy could filtered
 in the guest-software only by their hughe numbers which are
 clearly impossible and the problem is that this does not
 happen and so if some measuring says 20 GB in two seconds
 all averages are destroyed
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:20:16 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
  
  yes!
 
  works perfectly, only after dealing with snapshots there are
  this horrible peaks on 64bit guests
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:18, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  w8, so you are saying that you run vnstat on the guests?
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:16:44 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:12, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as well? 
 
  not currently, but i have seen such outputs in ifconfig too
 
  do you have a 64bit OS or 32bit? 
 
  seems only affect x86_64 guests
  good input - the voip-machine is the only 32bit and
  does not show this
 
  did you try to report it to vmware as well?
 
  they will anser fedora is not official supported and
  open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:06:48 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
  has anybody an idea for which package i should file a bugreport
  for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman
 
  every night from friday to saturday from our
  fedora-vmware-guests is made a snapshot by VMware Data
  Recovery to take a consistent backup and while deleting the
  snapshot something triggers horrible wrong values to vnstat
  which makes monthly summary useless
 
  see below :-(
 
 
   eth0  /  daily
 
   day rx  | tx  |total|
  avg. rate
  +-+-+---
  05/07/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.56 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB |
  1668.00 Tbit/s 05/08/11855.27 MiB |4.24 GiB |5.07
  GiB | 492.63 kbit/s 05/09/11  2.35 GiB |   72.14 GiB |
  74.49 GiB | 7.23 Mbit/s 05/10/11  1.47 GiB |   11.41 GiB
  |   12.88 GiB | 1.25 Mbit/s 05/11/11  1.11 GiB |6.19
  GiB |7.30 GiB | 708.76 kbit/s 05/12/11  1.17 GiB |
  5.82 GiB | 6.99 GiB | 678.38 kbit/s 05/13/11  1.12 GiB
  |6.50 GiB |7.62 GiB | 739.88 kbit/s 05/14/11
  33554432.00 TiB | 4.10 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s
  05/15/11778.85 MiB |4.45 GiB |5.21 GiB |  505.87
  kbit/s 05/16/11 1.30 GiB | 7.37 GiB |8.67 GiB |  842.06
  kbit/s 05/17/11 1.38 GiB |8.18 GiB |9.56 GiB |  928.20
  kbit/s 05/18/11  1.21 GiB |6.83 GiB |8.04 GiB |
  780.32 kbit/s 05/19/11 1.03 GiB |5.68 GiB |6.72 GiB |
  652.10 kbit/s 05/20/11  1.11 GiB |5.18 GiB |6.29
  GiB | 610.67 kbit/s 05/21/11   16777216.00 TiB |3.97 GiB |
  16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/22/11902.15 MiB |
  6.74 GiB |7.62 GiB |  739.58 kbit/s 05/23/11  1.28 GiB
  |   16.56 GiB | 17.84 GiB |1.73 Mbit/s 05/24/11  1.60
  GiB |   11.42 GiB |   13.02 GiB |1.26 Mbit/s 05/25/11
  1.47 GiB |6.65 GiB |8.12 GiB |  788.78 kbit/s
  05/26/11  1.23 GiB | 7.40 GiB |8.64 GiB |  838.46
  kbit/s 05/27/11  1.43 GiB |6.75 GiB |8.19 GiB |
  794.70 kbit/s 05/28/11 33554432.00 TiB |5.44 GiB |
  33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s 05/29/11855.65 MiB | 4.89
  GiB |5.72 GiB |  555.47 kbit/s 05/30/11  1.43 GiB |
  9.20 GiB |   10.62 GiB |1.03 Mbit/s 05/31/11  1.77 GiB
  | 9.52 GiB |   11.29 GiB |1.10 Mbit/s 06/01/11  1.51
  GiB | 9.43 GiB |   10.94 GiB |

Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Reindl Harald
sorry to say but you have no idea what about i am speaking
snapshots are not taken through that virtualized ethernet device

the guest is freezed for a short time to take a consistent
state of his drives which are copied on the host, the copy
has NOTHING to to with the ethernet device in the guest

Am 05.06.2011 20:50, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots through
 that virtualized ethernet devices. maybe an extra ethernet device would
 help. the first one left for that snapshots fiction and second for
 networking.
 
 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:34:49 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 


 Am 05.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on guests
 w/ vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly, its still just a
 fictional ethernet device. 

 what is there fictional?

 it is a ethernet-device with all features of a ethernet-device
 ond the guest does know nothing about virtualization

 maybe a vmware monitoring software would be
 more precise or an alternative would be to bind each to a virtual
 network card and do the monitoring on the host measuring only the
 output data and then routing all this devices out, thereby using the
 host as a router, which is of course a more complicated setup and i
 am not even sure if it would work, but thats the way i would try to
 build it up.

 jesus for what reason?

 the host is not a router, the host is a virtual switch
 and yes you have monitoring on the vCenter-Server but not
 in a console like output and not with exactly numbers

 this are two different worlds and i see no reason why
 vnstat would not work on the guest because it does

 only while snapshots are taken / removed there are some
 short untrue peaks which would be easaliy could filtered
 in the guest-software only by their hughe numbers which are
 clearly impossible and the problem is that this does not
 happen and so if some measuring says 20 GB in two seconds
 all averages are destroyed

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:20:16 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 yes!

 works perfectly, only after dealing with snapshots there are
 this horrible peaks on 64bit guests

 Am 05.06.2011 16:18, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 w8, so you are saying that you run vnstat on the guests?

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:16:44 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


 Am 05.06.2011 16:12, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as well? 

 not currently, but i have seen such outputs in ifconfig too

 do you have a 64bit OS or 32bit? 

 seems only affect x86_64 guests
 good input - the voip-machine is the only 32bit and
 does not show this

 did you try to report it to vmware as well?

 they will anser fedora is not official supported and
 open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:06:48 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 has anybody an idea for which package i should file a bugreport
 for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman

 every night from friday to saturday from our
 fedora-vmware-guests is made a snapshot by VMware Data
 Recovery to take a consistent backup and while deleting the
 snapshot something triggers horrible wrong values to vnstat
 which makes monthly summary useless

 see below :-(


  eth0  /  daily

  day rx  | tx  |total|
 avg. rate
 +-+-+---
 05/07/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.56 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB |
 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/08/11855.27 MiB |4.24 GiB |5.07
 GiB | 492.63 kbit/s 05/09/11  2.35 GiB |   72.14 GiB |
 74.49 GiB | 7.23 Mbit/s 05/10/11  1.47 GiB |   11.41 GiB
 |   12.88 GiB | 1.25 Mbit/s 05/11/11  1.11 GiB |6.19
 GiB |7.30 GiB | 708.76 kbit/s 05/12/11  1.17 GiB |
 5.82 GiB | 6.99 GiB | 678.38 kbit/s 05/13/11  1.12 GiB
 |6.50 GiB |7.62 GiB | 739.88 kbit/s 05/14/11
 33554432.00 TiB | 4.10 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s
 05/15/11778.85 MiB |4.45 GiB |5.21 GiB |  505.87
 kbit/s 05/16/11 1.30 GiB | 7.37 GiB |8.67 GiB |  842.06
 kbit/s 05/17/11 1.38 GiB |8.18 GiB |9.56 GiB |  928.20
 kbit/s 05/18/11  1.21 GiB |6.83 GiB |8.04 GiB |
 780.32 kbit/s 05/19/11 1.03 GiB |5.68 GiB |6.72 GiB |
 652.10 kbit/s 05/20/11  1.11 GiB |5.18 GiB |6.29
 GiB | 610.67 kbit/s 05/21/11   16777216.00 TiB |3.97 GiB |
 16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/22/11902.15 MiB |
 6.74 GiB |7.62 GiB |  739.58 kbit/s 05/23/11  1.28 GiB
 |   16.56 GiB | 17.84 GiB |1.73 Mbit/s 05/24/11  1.60
 GiB |   11.42 GiB |   13.02 GiB |1.26 Mbit/s 05/25/11
 1.47 GiB |6.65 GiB |8.12 GiB |  788.78 kbit/s
 05/26/11  1.23 GiB | 7.40 GiB |8.64 GiB |  838.46
 kbit/s 05/27/11  1.43 GiB |6.75 GiB |8.19 GiB |
 794.70 kbit/s 05/28/11 33554432.00 TiB |5.44 GiB |
 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s 

Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Lars Schotte
thats exactly what vmware needs to comprehend.

you dont need to tell me that ;-)

On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:55:53 +0200
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 sorry to say but you have no idea what about i am speaking
 snapshots are not taken through that virtualized ethernet device
 
 the guest is freezed for a short time to take a consistent
 state of his drives which are copied on the host, the copy
 has NOTHING to to with the ethernet device in the guest
 
 Am 05.06.2011 20:50, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots through
  that virtualized ethernet devices. maybe an extra ethernet device
  would help. the first one left for that snapshots fiction and
  second for networking.
  
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:34:49 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
  
 
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on guests
  w/ vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly, its still just
  a fictional ethernet device. 
 
  what is there fictional?
 
  it is a ethernet-device with all features of a ethernet-device
  ond the guest does know nothing about virtualization
 
  maybe a vmware monitoring software would be
  more precise or an alternative would be to bind each to a virtual
  network card and do the monitoring on the host measuring only the
  output data and then routing all this devices out, thereby using
  the host as a router, which is of course a more complicated setup
  and i am not even sure if it would work, but thats the way i
  would try to build it up.
 
  jesus for what reason?
 
  the host is not a router, the host is a virtual switch
  and yes you have monitoring on the vCenter-Server but not
  in a console like output and not with exactly numbers
 
  this are two different worlds and i see no reason why
  vnstat would not work on the guest because it does
 
  only while snapshots are taken / removed there are some
  short untrue peaks which would be easaliy could filtered
  in the guest-software only by their hughe numbers which are
  clearly impossible and the problem is that this does not
  happen and so if some measuring says 20 GB in two seconds
  all averages are destroyed
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:20:16 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
  yes!
 
  works perfectly, only after dealing with snapshots there are
  this horrible peaks on 64bit guests
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:18, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  w8, so you are saying that you run vnstat on the guests?
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:16:44 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:12, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as well? 
 
  not currently, but i have seen such outputs in ifconfig too
 
  do you have a 64bit OS or 32bit? 
 
  seems only affect x86_64 guests
  good input - the voip-machine is the only 32bit and
  does not show this
 
  did you try to report it to vmware as well?
 
  they will anser fedora is not official supported and
  open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:06:48 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
  has anybody an idea for which package i should file a
  bugreport for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman
 
  every night from friday to saturday from our
  fedora-vmware-guests is made a snapshot by VMware Data
  Recovery to take a consistent backup and while deleting the
  snapshot something triggers horrible wrong values to vnstat
  which makes monthly summary useless
 
  see below :-(
 
 
   eth0  /  daily
 
   day rx  | tx  |total|
  avg. rate
  +-+-+---
  05/07/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.56 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB |
  1668.00 Tbit/s 05/08/11855.27 MiB |4.24 GiB |5.07
  GiB | 492.63 kbit/s 05/09/11  2.35 GiB |   72.14 GiB |
  74.49 GiB | 7.23 Mbit/s 05/10/11  1.47 GiB |   11.41 GiB
  |   12.88 GiB | 1.25 Mbit/s 05/11/11  1.11 GiB |6.19
  GiB |7.30 GiB | 708.76 kbit/s 05/12/11  1.17 GiB |
  5.82 GiB | 6.99 GiB | 678.38 kbit/s 05/13/11  1.12 GiB
  |6.50 GiB |7.62 GiB | 739.88 kbit/s 05/14/11
  33554432.00 TiB | 4.10 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s
  05/15/11778.85 MiB |4.45 GiB |5.21 GiB |  505.87
  kbit/s 05/16/11 1.30 GiB | 7.37 GiB |8.67 GiB |  842.06
  kbit/s 05/17/11 1.38 GiB |8.18 GiB |9.56 GiB |
  928.20 kbit/s 05/18/11  1.21 GiB |6.83 GiB |8.04
  GiB | 780.32 kbit/s 05/19/11 1.03 GiB |5.68 GiB |
  6.72 GiB | 652.10 kbit/s 05/20/11  1.11 GiB |5.18
  GiB |6.29 GiB | 610.67 kbit/s 05/21/11   16777216.00 TiB
  |3.97 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB | 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/22/11
  902.15 MiB | 6.74 GiB |7.62 GiB |  739.58 kbit/s
  05/23/11  1.28 GiB |   16.56 GiB | 17.84 GiB |1.73
  Mbit/s 05/24/11  1.60 GiB |   11.42 GiB |   13.02 GiB
  |1.26 

Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 05.06.2011 21:19, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 thats exactly what vmware needs to comprehend.

WHAT should VMware do if the guest is measuring traffic which does not exist?

 you dont need to tell me that ;-)

so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots through
that virtualized ethernet devices and your ideas solve this on
the pysical layer or about routing on the host showing me that
you have never worked with a ESXi-Cluster

i try to solve a little problem IN THE GUEST and not to
change the whole infrastructure because this would change
exactly nothing on the vnstat-problem

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:55:53 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 sorry to say but you have no idea what about i am speaking
 snapshots are not taken through that virtualized ethernet device

 the guest is freezed for a short time to take a consistent
 state of his drives which are copied on the host, the copy
 has NOTHING to to with the ethernet device in the guest

 Am 05.06.2011 20:50, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots through
 that virtualized ethernet devices. maybe an extra ethernet device
 would help. the first one left for that snapshots fiction and
 second for networking.

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:34:49 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



 Am 05.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on guests
 w/ vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly, its still just
 a fictional ethernet device. 

 what is there fictional?

 it is a ethernet-device with all features of a ethernet-device
 ond the guest does know nothing about virtualization

 maybe a vmware monitoring software would be
 more precise or an alternative would be to bind each to a virtual
 network card and do the monitoring on the host measuring only the
 output data and then routing all this devices out, thereby using
 the host as a router, which is of course a more complicated setup
 and i am not even sure if it would work, but thats the way i
 would try to build it up.

 jesus for what reason?

 the host is not a router, the host is a virtual switch
 and yes you have monitoring on the vCenter-Server but not
 in a console like output and not with exactly numbers

 this are two different worlds and i see no reason why
 vnstat would not work on the guest because it does

 only while snapshots are taken / removed there are some
 short untrue peaks which would be easaliy could filtered
 in the guest-software only by their hughe numbers which are
 clearly impossible and the problem is that this does not
 happen and so if some measuring says 20 GB in two seconds
 all averages are destroyed

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:20:16 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 yes!

 works perfectly, only after dealing with snapshots there are
 this horrible peaks on 64bit guests

 Am 05.06.2011 16:18, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 w8, so you are saying that you run vnstat on the guests?

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:16:44 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


 Am 05.06.2011 16:12, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as well? 

 not currently, but i have seen such outputs in ifconfig too

 do you have a 64bit OS or 32bit? 

 seems only affect x86_64 guests
 good input - the voip-machine is the only 32bit and
 does not show this

 did you try to report it to vmware as well?

 they will anser fedora is not official supported and
 open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:06:48 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 has anybody an idea for which package i should file a
 bugreport for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman

 every night from friday to saturday from our
 fedora-vmware-guests is made a snapshot by VMware Data
 Recovery to take a consistent backup and while deleting the
 snapshot something triggers horrible wrong values to vnstat
 which makes monthly summary useless

 see below :-(


  eth0  /  daily

  day rx  | tx  |total|
 avg. rate
 +-+-+---
 05/07/11   16777216.00 TiB |5.56 GiB | 16777216.00 TiB |
 1668.00 Tbit/s 05/08/11855.27 MiB |4.24 GiB |5.07
 GiB | 492.63 kbit/s 05/09/11  2.35 GiB |   72.14 GiB |
 74.49 GiB | 7.23 Mbit/s 05/10/11  1.47 GiB |   11.41 GiB
 |   12.88 GiB | 1.25 Mbit/s 05/11/11  1.11 GiB |6.19
 GiB |7.30 GiB | 708.76 kbit/s 05/12/11  1.17 GiB |
 5.82 GiB | 6.99 GiB | 678.38 kbit/s 05/13/11  1.12 GiB
 |6.50 GiB |7.62 GiB | 739.88 kbit/s 05/14/11
 33554432.00 TiB | 4.10 GiB | 33554432.00 TiB | 3336.00 Tbit/s
 05/15/11778.85 MiB |4.45 GiB |5.21 GiB |  505.87
 kbit/s 05/16/11 1.30 GiB | 7.37 GiB |8.67 GiB |  842.06
 kbit/s 05/17/11 1.38 GiB |8.18 GiB |9.56 GiB |
 928.20 kbit/s 05/18/11  1.21 GiB |6.83 GiB |8.04
 GiB | 780.32 kbit/s 

Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Lars Schotte
well, the guest operating system is measuring traffic that doesnt
exist. that is a good start.

now, normally, operating systems do NOT measure traffic that doesnt
exist, so there must be something wrong with the network card driver.

guess what.. it is not ... because vmware emulates a network card which
most operating systems have a (good) driver of. so we can rule out an
operating system or a network device driver error.

so we should ask vmware why they implemented crazy transfer rate
emulation on that virtualized device while doing snapshots. which of
course have nothing to do with the fact that there is a network device
emulated or used. so for me it looks like vmware did brake it
intentionally.

why they shoud do sth like that? because they are ... different.

On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 21:30:21 +0200
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 
 
 Am 05.06.2011 21:19, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  thats exactly what vmware needs to comprehend.
 
 WHAT should VMware do if the guest is measuring traffic which does
 not exist?
 
  you dont need to tell me that ;-)
 
 so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots through
 that virtualized ethernet devices and your ideas solve this on
 the pysical layer or about routing on the host showing me that
 you have never worked with a ESXi-Cluster
 
 i try to solve a little problem IN THE GUEST and not to
 change the whole infrastructure because this would change
 exactly nothing on the vnstat-problem
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:55:53 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
  
  sorry to say but you have no idea what about i am speaking
  snapshots are not taken through that virtualized ethernet device
 
  the guest is freezed for a short time to take a consistent
  state of his drives which are copied on the host, the copy
  has NOTHING to to with the ethernet device in the guest
 
  Am 05.06.2011 20:50, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots
  through that virtualized ethernet devices. maybe an extra
  ethernet device would help. the first one left for that snapshots
  fiction and second for networking.
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:34:49 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on
  guests w/ vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly, its
  still just a fictional ethernet device. 
 
  what is there fictional?
 
  it is a ethernet-device with all features of a ethernet-device
  ond the guest does know nothing about virtualization
 
  maybe a vmware monitoring software would be
  more precise or an alternative would be to bind each to a
  virtual network card and do the monitoring on the host
  measuring only the output data and then routing all this
  devices out, thereby using the host as a router, which is of
  course a more complicated setup and i am not even sure if it
  would work, but thats the way i would try to build it up.
 
  jesus for what reason?
 
  the host is not a router, the host is a virtual switch
  and yes you have monitoring on the vCenter-Server but not
  in a console like output and not with exactly numbers
 
  this are two different worlds and i see no reason why
  vnstat would not work on the guest because it does
 
  only while snapshots are taken / removed there are some
  short untrue peaks which would be easaliy could filtered
  in the guest-software only by their hughe numbers which are
  clearly impossible and the problem is that this does not
  happen and so if some measuring says 20 GB in two seconds
  all averages are destroyed
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:20:16 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
  yes!
 
  works perfectly, only after dealing with snapshots there are
  this horrible peaks on 64bit guests
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:18, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  w8, so you are saying that you run vnstat on the guests?
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:16:44 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:12, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as well? 
 
  not currently, but i have seen such outputs in ifconfig too
 
  do you have a 64bit OS or 32bit? 
 
  seems only affect x86_64 guests
  good input - the voip-machine is the only 32bit and
  does not show this
 
  did you try to report it to vmware as well?
 
  they will anser fedora is not official supported and
  open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:06:48 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
  has anybody an idea for which package i should file a
  bugreport for this? i guess vnstat is only the postman
 
  every night from friday to saturday from our
  fedora-vmware-guests is made a snapshot by VMware Data
  Recovery to take a consistent backup and while deleting
  the snapshot something triggers horrible wrong values to
  vnstat which makes monthly summary useless
 
  see 

Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Reindl Harald
yes and because you have NO CHANCE to get support
for fedora from VMware the question is if this
trigger can not be corrected somewhere in the guest

that 16777216.00 TiB is impossible in some
seconds is clear - so my question was not
to discuss where the problem is, my question
is if it can be pragmatic fixed somewhere

Am 05.06.2011 22:32, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 well, the guest operating system is measuring traffic that doesnt
 exist. that is a good start.
 
 now, normally, operating systems do NOT measure traffic that doesnt
 exist, so there must be something wrong with the network card driver.
 
 guess what.. it is not ... because vmware emulates a network card which
 most operating systems have a (good) driver of. so we can rule out an
 operating system or a network device driver error.
 
 so we should ask vmware why they implemented crazy transfer rate
 emulation on that virtualized device while doing snapshots. which of
 course have nothing to do with the fact that there is a network device
 emulated or used. so for me it looks like vmware did brake it
 intentionally.
 
 why they shoud do sth like that? because they are ... different.
 
 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 21:30:21 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 


 Am 05.06.2011 21:19, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 thats exactly what vmware needs to comprehend.

 WHAT should VMware do if the guest is measuring traffic which does
 not exist?

 you dont need to tell me that ;-)

 so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots through
 that virtualized ethernet devices and your ideas solve this on
 the pysical layer or about routing on the host showing me that
 you have never worked with a ESXi-Cluster

 i try to solve a little problem IN THE GUEST and not to
 change the whole infrastructure because this would change
 exactly nothing on the vnstat-problem

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:55:53 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 sorry to say but you have no idea what about i am speaking
 snapshots are not taken through that virtualized ethernet device

 the guest is freezed for a short time to take a consistent
 state of his drives which are copied on the host, the copy
 has NOTHING to to with the ethernet device in the guest

 Am 05.06.2011 20:50, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots
 through that virtualized ethernet devices. maybe an extra
 ethernet device would help. the first one left for that snapshots
 fiction and second for networking.

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:34:49 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



 Am 05.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on
 guests w/ vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly, its
 still just a fictional ethernet device. 

 what is there fictional?

 it is a ethernet-device with all features of a ethernet-device
 ond the guest does know nothing about virtualization

 maybe a vmware monitoring software would be
 more precise or an alternative would be to bind each to a
 virtual network card and do the monitoring on the host
 measuring only the output data and then routing all this
 devices out, thereby using the host as a router, which is of
 course a more complicated setup and i am not even sure if it
 would work, but thats the way i would try to build it up.

 jesus for what reason?

 the host is not a router, the host is a virtual switch
 and yes you have monitoring on the vCenter-Server but not
 in a console like output and not with exactly numbers

 this are two different worlds and i see no reason why
 vnstat would not work on the guest because it does

 only while snapshots are taken / removed there are some
 short untrue peaks which would be easaliy could filtered
 in the guest-software only by their hughe numbers which are
 clearly impossible and the problem is that this does not
 happen and so if some measuring says 20 GB in two seconds
 all averages are destroyed

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:20:16 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 yes!

 works perfectly, only after dealing with snapshots there are
 this horrible peaks on 64bit guests

 Am 05.06.2011 16:18, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 w8, so you are saying that you run vnstat on the guests?

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:16:44 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:


 Am 05.06.2011 16:12, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as well? 

 not currently, but i have seen such outputs in ifconfig too

 do you have a 64bit OS or 32bit? 

 seems only affect x86_64 guests
 good input - the voip-machine is the only 32bit and
 does not show this

 did you try to report it to vmware as well?

 they will anser fedora is not official supported and
 open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:06:48 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 has anybody an idea for which package i should file a
 bugreport for this? i guess vnstat is only the 

Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Lars Schotte
did you install some vmware software / drivers on the guest?

On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:39:30 +0200
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 yes and because you have NO CHANCE to get support
 for fedora from VMware the question is if this
 trigger can not be corrected somewhere in the guest
 
 that 16777216.00 TiB is impossible in some
 seconds is clear - so my question was not
 to discuss where the problem is, my question
 is if it can be pragmatic fixed somewhere
 
 Am 05.06.2011 22:32, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  well, the guest operating system is measuring traffic that doesnt
  exist. that is a good start.
  
  now, normally, operating systems do NOT measure traffic that doesnt
  exist, so there must be something wrong with the network card
  driver.
  
  guess what.. it is not ... because vmware emulates a network card
  which most operating systems have a (good) driver of. so we can
  rule out an operating system or a network device driver error.
  
  so we should ask vmware why they implemented crazy transfer rate
  emulation on that virtualized device while doing snapshots. which of
  course have nothing to do with the fact that there is a network
  device emulated or used. so for me it looks like vmware did brake it
  intentionally.
  
  why they shoud do sth like that? because they are ... different.
  
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 21:30:21 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
  
 
 
  Am 05.06.2011 21:19, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  thats exactly what vmware needs to comprehend.
 
  WHAT should VMware do if the guest is measuring traffic which does
  not exist?
 
  you dont need to tell me that ;-)
 
  so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots
  through that virtualized ethernet devices and your ideas solve
  this on the pysical layer or about routing on the host showing
  me that you have never worked with a ESXi-Cluster
 
  i try to solve a little problem IN THE GUEST and not to
  change the whole infrastructure because this would change
  exactly nothing on the vnstat-problem
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:55:53 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
  sorry to say but you have no idea what about i am speaking
  snapshots are not taken through that virtualized ethernet
  device
 
  the guest is freezed for a short time to take a consistent
  state of his drives which are copied on the host, the copy
  has NOTHING to to with the ethernet device in the guest
 
  Am 05.06.2011 20:50, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots
  through that virtualized ethernet devices. maybe an extra
  ethernet device would help. the first one left for that
  snapshots fiction and second for networking.
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:34:49 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on
  guests w/ vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly, its
  still just a fictional ethernet device. 
 
  what is there fictional?
 
  it is a ethernet-device with all features of a ethernet-device
  ond the guest does know nothing about virtualization
 
  maybe a vmware monitoring software would be
  more precise or an alternative would be to bind each to a
  virtual network card and do the monitoring on the host
  measuring only the output data and then routing all this
  devices out, thereby using the host as a router, which is of
  course a more complicated setup and i am not even sure if it
  would work, but thats the way i would try to build it up.
 
  jesus for what reason?
 
  the host is not a router, the host is a virtual switch
  and yes you have monitoring on the vCenter-Server but not
  in a console like output and not with exactly numbers
 
  this are two different worlds and i see no reason why
  vnstat would not work on the guest because it does
 
  only while snapshots are taken / removed there are some
  short untrue peaks which would be easaliy could filtered
  in the guest-software only by their hughe numbers which are
  clearly impossible and the problem is that this does not
  happen and so if some measuring says 20 GB in two seconds
  all averages are destroyed
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:20:16 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
  yes!
 
  works perfectly, only after dealing with snapshots there are
  this horrible peaks on 64bit guests
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:18, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  w8, so you are saying that you run vnstat on the guests?
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:16:44 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:12, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  is ifconfig showing this huge numberg at that time as
  well? 
 
  not currently, but i have seen such outputs in ifconfig
  too
 
  do you have a 64bit OS or 32bit? 
 
  seems only affect x86_64 guests
  good input - the voip-machine is the only 32bit and
  does not show this
 
  did you try to report it to vmware as well?
 
  

Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Reindl Harald
as wrote in my second post yes, because VMwareDataRecovery can
not work without vmware-tools, the drivers are NOT from
external packages because they are native supported from
recent kernels

PLEASE can we both stop this now?

it is useless, there is nothing on the side of ESXi / VMware
i can change, so what are we discuss here?

03:00.0 Ethernet controller: VMware VMXNET3 Ethernet Controller (rev 01)
0b:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller: VMware PVSCSI SCSI Controller (rev 02)

 they will anser fedora is not official supported and
 open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(

Am 05.06.2011 23:17, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 did you install some vmware software / drivers on the guest?
 
 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:39:30 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 yes and because you have NO CHANCE to get support
 for fedora from VMware the question is if this
 trigger can not be corrected somewhere in the guest

 that 16777216.00 TiB is impossible in some
 seconds is clear - so my question was not
 to discuss where the problem is, my question
 is if it can be pragmatic fixed somewhere

 Am 05.06.2011 22:32, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 well, the guest operating system is measuring traffic that doesnt
 exist. that is a good start.

 now, normally, operating systems do NOT measure traffic that doesnt
 exist, so there must be something wrong with the network card
 driver.

 guess what.. it is not ... because vmware emulates a network card
 which most operating systems have a (good) driver of. so we can
 rule out an operating system or a network device driver error.

 so we should ask vmware why they implemented crazy transfer rate
 emulation on that virtualized device while doing snapshots. which of
 course have nothing to do with the fact that there is a network
 device emulated or used. so for me it looks like vmware did brake it
 intentionally.

 why they shoud do sth like that? because they are ... different.

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 21:30:21 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



 Am 05.06.2011 21:19, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 thats exactly what vmware needs to comprehend.

 WHAT should VMware do if the guest is measuring traffic which does
 not exist?

 you dont need to tell me that ;-)

 so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots
 through that virtualized ethernet devices and your ideas solve
 this on the pysical layer or about routing on the host showing
 me that you have never worked with a ESXi-Cluster

 i try to solve a little problem IN THE GUEST and not to
 change the whole infrastructure because this would change
 exactly nothing on the vnstat-problem

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:55:53 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 sorry to say but you have no idea what about i am speaking
 snapshots are not taken through that virtualized ethernet
 device

 the guest is freezed for a short time to take a consistent
 state of his drives which are copied on the host, the copy
 has NOTHING to to with the ethernet device in the guest

 Am 05.06.2011 20:50, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots
 through that virtualized ethernet devices. maybe an extra
 ethernet device would help. the first one left for that
 snapshots fiction and second for networking.

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:34:49 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



 Am 05.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on
 guests w/ vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly, its
 still just a fictional ethernet device. 

 what is there fictional?

 it is a ethernet-device with all features of a ethernet-device
 ond the guest does know nothing about virtualization

 maybe a vmware monitoring software would be
 more precise or an alternative would be to bind each to a
 virtual network card and do the monitoring on the host
 measuring only the output data and then routing all this
 devices out, thereby using the host as a router, which is of
 course a more complicated setup and i am not even sure if it
 would work, but thats the way i would try to build it up.

 jesus for what reason?

 the host is not a router, the host is a virtual switch
 and yes you have monitoring on the vCenter-Server but not
 in a console like output and not with exactly numbers

 this are two different worlds and i see no reason why
 vnstat would not work on the guest because it does

 only while snapshots are taken / removed there are some
 short untrue peaks which would be easaliy could filtered
 in the guest-software only by their hughe numbers which are
 clearly impossible and the problem is that this does not
 happen and so if some measuring says 20 GB in two seconds
 all averages are destroyed

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:20:16 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 yes!

 works perfectly, only after dealing with snapshots there are
 this horrible peaks on 64bit guests

 Am 05.06.2011 16:18, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 w8, 

Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Lars Schotte
hm, thats interesting, so the network controller is of a vmware's
origin. try some other os, like for example netbsd with some real
emulated network card, nothing from vmware, and see if the problem
persists there as well. if not, then you know at least that the problem
is not the kernel of the guest or some driver problem, but its vmware's
fault.

On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 23:25:05 +0200
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 as wrote in my second post yes, because VMwareDataRecovery can
 not work without vmware-tools, the drivers are NOT from
 external packages because they are native supported from
 recent kernels
 
 PLEASE can we both stop this now?
 
 it is useless, there is nothing on the side of ESXi / VMware
 i can change, so what are we discuss here?
 
 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: VMware VMXNET3 Ethernet Controller (rev
 01) 0b:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller: VMware PVSCSI SCSI
 Controller (rev 02)
 
  they will anser fedora is not official supported and
  open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(
 
 Am 05.06.2011 23:17, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  did you install some vmware software / drivers on the guest?
  
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:39:30 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
  
  yes and because you have NO CHANCE to get support
  for fedora from VMware the question is if this
  trigger can not be corrected somewhere in the guest
 
  that 16777216.00 TiB is impossible in some
  seconds is clear - so my question was not
  to discuss where the problem is, my question
  is if it can be pragmatic fixed somewhere
 
  Am 05.06.2011 22:32, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  well, the guest operating system is measuring traffic that doesnt
  exist. that is a good start.
 
  now, normally, operating systems do NOT measure traffic that
  doesnt exist, so there must be something wrong with the network
  card driver.
 
  guess what.. it is not ... because vmware emulates a network card
  which most operating systems have a (good) driver of. so we can
  rule out an operating system or a network device driver error.
 
  so we should ask vmware why they implemented crazy transfer rate
  emulation on that virtualized device while doing snapshots. which
  of course have nothing to do with the fact that there is a network
  device emulated or used. so for me it looks like vmware did brake
  it intentionally.
 
  why they shoud do sth like that? because they are ... different.
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 21:30:21 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 
 
  Am 05.06.2011 21:19, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  thats exactly what vmware needs to comprehend.
 
  WHAT should VMware do if the guest is measuring traffic which
  does not exist?
 
  you dont need to tell me that ;-)
 
  so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots
  through that virtualized ethernet devices and your ideas solve
  this on the pysical layer or about routing on the host showing
  me that you have never worked with a ESXi-Cluster
 
  i try to solve a little problem IN THE GUEST and not to
  change the whole infrastructure because this would change
  exactly nothing on the vnstat-problem
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:55:53 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
  sorry to say but you have no idea what about i am speaking
  snapshots are not taken through that virtualized ethernet
  device
 
  the guest is freezed for a short time to take a consistent
  state of his drives which are copied on the host, the copy
  has NOTHING to to with the ethernet device in the guest
 
  Am 05.06.2011 20:50, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots
  through that virtualized ethernet devices. maybe an extra
  ethernet device would help. the first one left for that
  snapshots fiction and second for networking.
 
  On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:34:49 +0200
  Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 
 
  Am 05.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Lars Schotte:
  i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on
  guests w/ vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly,
  its still just a fictional ethernet device. 
 
  what is there fictional?
 
  it is a ethernet-device with all features of a
  ethernet-device ond the guest does know nothing about
  virtualization
 
  maybe a vmware monitoring software would be
  more precise or an alternative would be to bind each to a
  virtual network card and do the monitoring on the host
  measuring only the output data and then routing all this
  devices out, thereby using the host as a router, which is of
  course a more complicated setup and i am not even sure if it
  would work, but thats the way i would try to build it up.
 
  jesus for what reason?
 
  the host is not a router, the host is a virtual switch
  and yes you have monitoring on the vCenter-Server but not
  in a console like output and not with exactly numbers
 
  this are two different worlds and i see no reason why
  vnstat would not work on the guest because it does
 
  

Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Reindl Harald

Am 06.06.2011 00:09, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 hm, thats interesting, so the network controller is of a vmware's
 origin

yes, we are speaking from a professional environment with newest software / 
hardware
means ESXi 4.1 Update 1 witth latest patches, SAN-Storgae, vCenter-Clustering
and latest generation of HP ProLiant--Hardware

 try some other os, like for example netbsd with some real
 emulated network card, nothing from vmware

this is not interesting because there are 20 fedora production servers
in the cluster and waht any other OS / hardware / software does is
not relevant

 and see if the problem persists there as well. if not, then you know at least 
 that the problem is not the kernel of the guest or some driver problem, but 
 its vmware's
 fault.

i know, but i can not get them to fix this and for the hope
get a display error away you will not play on production systems

so i am not interested in any theory what would happen somewhere else
with any other guest system since if have this problem noticed since
2008 starting virtalize the whole company on ESXi 3.5 with vmxnet, in 2008
there was no clustering and this happend only sometimes while
updating VMware-Tools

i am searching for a pragmatic solution and if there is no one
i can not change anything

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 23:25:05 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
 
 as wrote in my second post yes, because VMwareDataRecovery can
 not work without vmware-tools, the drivers are NOT from
 external packages because they are native supported from
 recent kernels

 PLEASE can we both stop this now?

 it is useless, there is nothing on the side of ESXi / VMware
 i can change, so what are we discuss here?

 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: VMware VMXNET3 Ethernet Controller (rev
 01) 0b:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller: VMware PVSCSI SCSI
 Controller (rev 02)

 they will anser fedora is not official supported and
 open-vm-tools vom rpmfusion too on ESXi :-(

 Am 05.06.2011 23:17, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 did you install some vmware software / drivers on the guest?

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 22:39:30 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 yes and because you have NO CHANCE to get support
 for fedora from VMware the question is if this
 trigger can not be corrected somewhere in the guest

 that 16777216.00 TiB is impossible in some
 seconds is clear - so my question was not
 to discuss where the problem is, my question
 is if it can be pragmatic fixed somewhere

 Am 05.06.2011 22:32, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 well, the guest operating system is measuring traffic that doesnt
 exist. that is a good start.

 now, normally, operating systems do NOT measure traffic that
 doesnt exist, so there must be something wrong with the network
 card driver.

 guess what.. it is not ... because vmware emulates a network card
 which most operating systems have a (good) driver of. so we can
 rule out an operating system or a network device driver error.

 so we should ask vmware why they implemented crazy transfer rate
 emulation on that virtualized device while doing snapshots. which
 of course have nothing to do with the fact that there is a network
 device emulated or used. so for me it looks like vmware did brake
 it intentionally.

 why they shoud do sth like that? because they are ... different.

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 21:30:21 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



 Am 05.06.2011 21:19, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 thats exactly what vmware needs to comprehend.

 WHAT should VMware do if the guest is measuring traffic which
 does not exist?

 you dont need to tell me that ;-)

 so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots
 through that virtualized ethernet devices and your ideas solve
 this on the pysical layer or about routing on the host showing
 me that you have never worked with a ESXi-Cluster

 i try to solve a little problem IN THE GUEST and not to
 change the whole infrastructure because this would change
 exactly nothing on the vnstat-problem

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:55:53 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 sorry to say but you have no idea what about i am speaking
 snapshots are not taken through that virtualized ethernet
 device

 the guest is freezed for a short time to take a consistent
 state of his drives which are copied on the host, the copy
 has NOTHING to to with the ethernet device in the guest

 Am 05.06.2011 20:50, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 so you have to somehow convince vmware not to take snapshots
 through that virtualized ethernet devices. maybe an extra
 ethernet device would help. the first one left for that
 snapshots fiction and second for networking.

 On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:34:49 +0200
 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:



 Am 05.06.2011 16:55, schrieb Lars Schotte:
 i definitely wouldnt come to that idea to monitor guests on
 guests w/ vnstat because even if it had worked perfectly,
 its still just a fictional ethernet device. 

 what is there fictional?

 it is a 

Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 12:09:24AM +0200, Lars Schotte wrote:
 hm, thats interesting, so the network controller is of a vmware's
 origin. try some other os, like for example netbsd with some real
 emulated network card, nothing from vmware, and see if the problem
 persists there as well. if not, then you know at least that the problem
 is not the kernel of the guest or some driver problem, but its vmware's
 fault.

  Maybe you are not aware that vmxnet driver is part of mainline kernel
from some time.

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Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Reindl Harald

Am 06.06.2011 00:18, schrieb Tomasz Torcz:
 On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 12:09:24AM +0200, Lars Schotte wrote:
 hm, thats interesting, so the network controller is of a vmware's
 origin. try some other os, like for example netbsd with some real
 emulated network card, nothing from vmware, and see if the problem
 persists there as well. if not, then you know at least that the problem
 is not the kernel of the guest or some driver problem, but its vmware's
 fault.
 
 Maybe you are not aware that vmxnet driver is part of mainline kernel
 from some time

i try to tell him since hours that he has no plan about ESXi/Virtual Hardware
nor Snapshots especially after the glamorous so you have to somehow convince
vmware not to take snapshots through that virtualized ethernet devices and
that i am not interested in theory

this display errors are ugly but no reason to change anything in a perfectly
working infrastructure in dimensions of many ten thousands of euro



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Re: vnstat / network wrong peaks while delete snapshot

2011-06-05 Thread Lars Schotte
well, then it must be opensource, so maybe thats not the problem, maybe
it listens to something it shouldnt.

On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 00:18:14 +0200
Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 12:09:24AM +0200, Lars Schotte wrote:
  hm, thats interesting, so the network controller is of a vmware's
  origin. try some other os, like for example netbsd with some real
  emulated network card, nothing from vmware, and see if the problem
  persists there as well. if not, then you know at least that the
  problem is not the kernel of the guest or some driver problem, but
  its vmware's fault.
 
   Maybe you are not aware that vmxnet driver is part of mainline
 kernel from some time.
 


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