RE: How to customize RMP functionality

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From: Saravanan S
Sent:  16/08/2010, 15:11 
To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: How to customize RMP functionality


Hi all,

I am working o a project that sets up packages on the cloud.
I need to find a package manager that can be customized, like feature to
install dependancy on a remote machine(cloud instance).

like if i want to install Package1 which needs pkg1-dep1, pkg1-dep2,
pkg1-dep2-dep1, pkg1-dep2-dep3, so on.

i want to know if installing a package on a system, with some hack would
remotely install a dependancy pkg(and its deps) is possible?

example would be, if i want to install sugar CRM, i need seperate machines
to maintain seperate tasks,
like mysql in one machine, apache server in 1 machine, etc.

Is it possible in rpm package manager to handle such customizations &
dependancy requirement?

If not please suggest any other way.


Saravanan Sundaramoorthy
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RE: How to customize RMP functionality

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-Original Message-
From: Saravanan S
Sent:  16/08/2010, 15:11 
To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: How to customize RMP functionality


Hi all,

I am working o a project that sets up packages on the cloud.
I need to find a package manager that can be customized, like feature to
install dependancy on a remote machine(cloud instance).
Imho, is not business of a package manager to fulfill such need. But it is of a 
configuration manager as puppet that can use the packages , rpm or other, in 
the preferite way without hackery and in a sane way. Regards
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R: Re: thanks for F15 mdadm systemd unit

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Messaggio originale
Da: drago01
Inviato:  22/07/2011, 19:16 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora
Oggetto: Re: thanks for F15 mdadm systemd unit


On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Reindl Harald  wrote:
>
> Am 22.07.2011 16:33, schrieb drago01:
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Reindl Harald  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 21.07.2011 13:14, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
 On 07/20/2011 11:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> hopefully systemd will aslo live for 40 years as sysvinit
> did or the next replacement will be finished BEFORE release
> including the correspondending parts of the distribution

 Just to be clear as this has been mentioned several times in recent 
 threads:
 System V style initialisation is _not_ 40 years old. SysV was only 
 released in
 1983 (and even after that time there were alternatives - the BSDs never 
 adopted
 this approach to system initialisation).
>>>
>>> so let it be 28 years now
>>
>> Still way too old ... technology has advanced a lot in the past 28 years
>
> this is poor argumentation which too many peopole follow unreflected

Its not any poorer then "it has been like that for 28 years so don't
dare to change it".
Where the sole reason for this kind of arguments seem to be "I
can't/don't want to learn anything new" ... which is really tiresome.
Working with technology like this requires change and / or learning
something new at some point. You cant just get used to one thing and
think you can stick to that for the rest of your life.
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R: Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Peter Robinson
Inviato:  01/06/2011, 22:41 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora
Oggetto: Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01)


On 1 Jun 2011 19:44, "Josef Bacik"  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Peter Robinson 
wrote:
> > I will be unable to attend tomorrow but I have concerns of making btrfs
> > default without a well tested fsck. I'm aware one is due soon but I
don't
> > believe 3-4 months is enough time to test it well enough. On 2.6.38.x I
> > still get regular kernel abrt crashes on resume. Is it even marked
stable in
> > the upstream kernel yet?
> >
>
> Have you filed bugs for these crashes?

Yes. Well at least I've submitted them using abrt to wherever is sends the
kernel crash dumps. Not done a manual separate bug though.

Peter

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R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

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First of all Sorry for not quoting. It is just for telling an opinion from 
someone that know the autofu well, almost. For me this idea of patching 
generated autofu is wrong.  if i have to patching the GNU build system there is 
a reason of course. Which reason is right for a packager ? Imho in many case it 
 is because the build system is incomplete or wrong ( use only autocof for 
example, but not automake or don't want to use libtool). In any case can be 
difficult to change some setting without changing the build system. But now is 
the problem : the new autofu version know now, and not before, that some 
costruct is problematic  or perhaps no, but they give some cryptic error  
message. In short the right solutinn in a floss env is to patch configure.ac, 
makefile.am doing thereafter an autoreconf -vfi and reporting the problem 
upstream. Nothing of different to patch the code is not fhs or if new compiler 
flag catch an unseen possible error. Ideally an good floss ecosystem should 
work, and mostly does, in this way, i think. Why this Could be different for 
the GNU build system ? Thanks for attending. Best regards.   
Messaggio originale
Da: drago01
Inviato:  03/07/2011, 19:38 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora
Oggetto: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.


On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Tom Lane  wrote:
> Sam Varshavchik  writes:
>> To add to that: I never recall a single instance where I couldn't fix any
>> breakage in someone else's canned configure/makefile scripts without having
>> to rerun autoconf and automake.
>
>> If there was a problem in the configure script, rather than patching
>> configure.ac or configure.in, I simply patched the configure script itself.
>
> Yeah, and the question is why that's a good idea at all, let alone so
> superior as to be policy.  To me it sounds exactly like arguing that you
> should fix a code bug by patching the emitted assembler code, instead of
> touching the C code.  Or fixing a grammar problem by patching bison's
> output file instead of the input .y file.  It just seems uselessly stone
> age.  And it certainly does not yield a patch that you are going to be
> able to submit to upstream.

Exactly patching generated code is just wrong period.
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R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

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Thanks. But the GNU build system don't require or need this by definition,  
Regards
Messaggio originale
Da: Kevin Kofler
Inviato:  03/07/2011, 22:34 
A: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.


pinto.e...@gmail.com wrote:
> First of all Sorry for not quoting. It is just for telling an opinion from
> someone that know the autofu well, almost. For me this idea of patching
> generated autofu is wrong.  if i have to patching the GNU build system
> there is a reason of course. Which reason is right for a packager ? Imho
> in many case it  is because the build system is incomplete or wrong ( use
> only autocof for example, but not automake or don't want to use libtool).
> In any case can be difficult to change some setting without changing the
> build system. But now is the problem : the new autofu version know now,
> and not before, that some costruct is problematic  or perhaps no, but they
> give some cryptic error  message. In short the right solutinn in a floss
> env is to patch configure.ac, makefile.am doing thereafter an autoreconf
> -vfi and reporting the problem upstream. Nothing of different to patch the
> code is not fhs or if new compiler flag catch an unseen possible error.
> Ideally an good floss ecosystem should work, and mostly does, in this way,
> i think. Why this Could be different for the GNU build system ? Thanks for
> attending. Best regards.

+1

FWIW, I think we should actually run autoreconf -i -f in ALL specfiles as a 
matter of policy, even if we aren't changing anything, the same way we 
require Java JARs to be rebuilt from source.

But all this stuff has already been discussed many times. Please search the 
mailing list archives!

Kevin Kofler

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R: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

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Sorry for not quoting. Btw, i in rhel5 have packaged the latest autoconf, 
automake and libtool in such a way that if installed the packager can use it 
without upgrading the rhel5 package and without conflict of any sort : not so 
hard to do with rpm. Dunno if my approch was the best, or if it is really 
useful. Best regards
Messaggio originale
Da: Richard W.M. Jones
Inviato:  04/07/2011, 12:39 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora
Cc: ankursi...@fedoraproject.org
Oggetto: Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.



On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 11:45:09AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> FWIW, I used to run autoconf during the builds of both the postgresql
> and mysql packages for many years.  That eventually became unnecessary
> in both cases, but I don't recall that autoconf changes ever caused me
> any trouble.  (gcc, on the other hand, ...)

We've been bitten with very old versions of autoconf (hello, RHEL 5).
In those cases we've had to patch the generated files instead of the
autoconf input files.  It's a pain in the derriere doing this.

However this is not a reason not to rerun autoconf.  If rerunning
autoconf is going to fail, then it will fail early and obviously.
This problem isn't likely to affect Fedora because Fedora usually has
the latest autotools.

Packagers should use their discretion (as in many other cases).

Rich.

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R: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

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Sorry for not quoting. On github exists a little application 
rpm-gen-configuration or so that can create an rpm from configuration data. It 
generate automatically the deps required and it is safe regarding conflict and 
upgrade. Dunno if can useful to you. Best regards
Messaggio originale
Da: Olivier Sallou
Inviato:  13/07/2011, 09:40 
A: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Oggetto: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration


Hi,

I am a newby regarding rpm packaging (more used to deb packaging).
I want to know if there is a way to configure a package at install using
rpmdev stuff, like debconf in Debian.
Or do we need to create our own config script management?

Thanks

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RE: rpm's treatment of unversioned provides

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Perhaps, should be most useful to post question as this, interesting as they 
are, on the rpm mailing list. Just an opinion. Regards
-Original Message-
From: Petr Pisar
Sent:  21/02/2011, 16:43 
To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: rpm's treatment of unversioned provides


On 2011-02-21, Paul Howarth  wrote:
> RPM traditionally treats unversioned provides as meaning "any version". 
> Over on perl-devel list, it's been suggested that this is a bug in rpm.
>
> Googling around, I can't find any specific rationale for why rpm does 
> this as opposed to say providing version 0. Can anybody enlighten me?
>
The full story begins on
.

I'm really interrested why RPM dependecny solver behaves like Paul says
and what it is good for.

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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

[pinto.e...@gmail.com]

Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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R: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)

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Messaggio originale
Da: Horst H. von Brand
Inviato:  10/04/2012, 16:31 
A: Development discussions related to Fedora; Kevin Kofler
Oggetto: Re: Primary Architectures: Another Proposal (RFC)


Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote:
> > "It builds" doesn't necessarily mean it works.  In the rawhide case,
> > you might very well submit something that builds but is totally
> > broken.  By the time you download the official build and test it
> > locally, it can already be in the day's compose and now you've just
> > inflicted a broken build on all the users.  And no, "rawhide eats
> > babies" is not a valid excuse IMHO.
> 
> As far as Rawhide goes, IMHO, if it builds, it's good enough for Rawhide.

That is just irresponsible. BTW, there are too few rawhide consumers as
things stand; this would make rawhide be russian roulette, but with 5
bullets instead of 1.

> "If it compiles, ship it!" – Linus Torvalds

Riiight... one tongue-in-cheek comment by the well-known punster Linus
leads to distribution wide policy.
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