Code freeze
Hello, according to the roadmap we are now in code freeze for Update.1. I went through the Sugar core tickets and assigned to Retriage those I don't think it's worth or possible to fix for Update.1. Here are the remaining issues: http://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assignedstatus=newstatus=reopenedcomponent=sugarcomponent=browse-activitycomponent=journal-activitycomponent=datastorecomponent=presence-servicecomponent=read-activitycomponent=gtk-themeorder=prioritymilestone=Update.1col=idcol=summarycol=statuscol=ownercol=type Jim, Kim, I'm not sure how strong you want the freeze to be... Can you please go through the list (they are only 20 tickets) and make sure there aren't any you *don't* want to fix for Update.1? Thanks, Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 1471
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1471/ -kernel.i586 0:2.6.22-20071218.1.olpc.e1ba84245e054ed +kernel.i586 0:2.6.22-20071224.1.olpc.69069a6f1433d98 -xulrunner.i386 0:1.9-0.beta1.8.olpc2 +xulrunner.i386 0:1.9-0.beta1.9.olpc2 -- This email was automatically generated Aggregated logs at http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pkgs.html ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Login as root on 667
Marco, If this is the same issue that I just encountered in Joyride, then the login is now 'olpc' instead of 'root'. No password. Sudo should work (i believe). Kim On Dec 24, 2007 5:21 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, how do we login as root in the latest Update.1 image? There seem to be a password now and sudo is not installed. Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Code freeze
Thanks for doing this work, Marco! I want to add an Update1 blocker, 5671, which is how to get a developer key. In the previous versions there was a link from the laptop to get a developer key (from the 'about your XO' in the browser)... I can't find that link in the most recent joyrides. Also, we need an Update1 release that includes a lot more stuff from joyride so we can be testing the update1 rather than Joyride. Jim - are there a bunch of things that should be in update1 that haven't moved from joyride yet? Do you think it will be possible to get an Update1 build this week with as much stuff from joyride as was slated to get in? Thanks, Kim On Dec 24, 2007 8:45 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, according to the roadmap we are now in code freeze for Update.1. I went through the Sugar core tickets and assigned to Retriage those I don't think it's worth or possible to fix for Update.1. Here are the remaining issues: http://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assignedstatus=newstatus=reopenedcomponent=sugarcomponent=browse-activitycomponent=journal-activitycomponent=datastorecomponent=presence-servicecomponent=read-activitycomponent=gtk-themeorder=prioritymilestone=Update.1col=idcol=summarycol=statuscol=ownercol=type Jim, Kim, I'm not sure how strong you want the freeze to be... Can you please go through the list (they are only 20 tickets) and make sure there aren't any you *don't* want to fix for Update.1? Thanks, Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Security Certificates
The browser correctly identifies a certificate that doesn't match the URL. However, there needs to be a way to continue with the page regardless of the certificate's validity. In other words, it should be a warning, as in normal browsers and not a ban. The invalid certificate may occur as a result of a self-generated certificate and could be valid. Thanks. Irwin ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [PATCH] CLI Interface to the Sugar Datastore
Reinier Heeres wrote: Hi, I just added a simple script to do this to the ticket about fetching objects from the datastore (#5571). Please feel free to extend it! Thanks for proving me wrong on the complexity front. :) I didn't change much of your code here; I just spruced up the text to look more like copy-to-journal, and added comments throughout so that later generations of code-spelunkers can understand what the heck we are doing in the program. Thanks so much for taking the time to do this; copy-from-journal is easily one of the most requested features in #olpc-help. Phil ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 1472
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1472/ -kernel.i586 0:2.6.22-20071224.1.olpc.69069a6f1433d98 +kernel.i586 0:2.6.22-20071224.2.olpc.f85c872b9fb07a4 -- This email was automatically generated Aggregated logs at http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pkgs.html ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Login as root on 667
There are two superior alternatives in the bug report now. Please pick one or both. (PAM config or mode 4550, with user olpc in the appropriate group) http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5537 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
A bit confused about updates
Sorry, I know I read somewhere an explanation of ship v. joyride etc but I can't remember it all. if I want to keep my olpc at the most up to date stable version, whatt updates do i install when? Is there an automatic update mechanism for the released software? if not, will there be some day? A pointer at the right wiki page would be fine for an answer. Thanks JK -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Playing with IDEs
Question: Should I summarize what I did to get Eric3 up and put it on the wiki somewhere? JK On Dec 24, 2007 12:18 PM, Jeffrey Kesselman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Jeffrey Kesselman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dec 23, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Playing with IDEs To: Charles Durrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its up and working! I have an image of eric3 on VMWare emulation attached. (Majorly Jpeg compressed so pardon for the artifacty-ness) It all seems to work fine. It is however kind of cramped, which surprised me given the size of the OLPC's screen. I assume its either treating the screen as lower resolution or drawing the fonts and such very large. Any Eric wizzes out there know how to fix that? JK On Dec 23, 2007 7:55 PM, Jeffrey Kesselman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahah! The proper name is PyQt-qscintilla I have it installed... now to attempt to install eric3 On Dec 23, 2007 7:53 PM, Jeffrey Kesselman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: got it thanks That indeed makes it possible to run idle. Idle is nto exactly hat I would call an IDE, more an imporved shell, but at least I got it that far. I'd love to get Eric up and running but there don't appear to be prebuilt binaries of QScintilla available. At least that I could find :/ wrote: ack ! that should be yum not yun. On Dec 23, 2007 5:04 PM, Charles Durrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as root in a terminal session enter yun install tkinter On Dec 23, 2007 4:15 PM, Jeffrey Kesselman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Figured it was time for a new thread for this Idle is actually included on the olpc in /usr/lib/python2.5/idlelib However trying to invoke idle.py gives this error... ** IDLE can't import Tkinter. Your python may not be configured for Tk. Question for those more familiar with python on linux, Is there something I can yum or otherwise download and install that would fix this? JK -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
XO touchpad
I got my laptop through G1G1 last week, and I've been trying to play with all the neat facets of the hardware, but I'm unable to get the other mode of the touchpad (the stylus mode) to do anything. Is there a particular activity that uses it? Is there some way I can tell Pygame to read it, so I can play with it that way? I figured that Paint would use it, but it doesn't seem to. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Playing with IDEs
Jeffrey Kesselman writes: I have an image of eric3 on VMWare emulation attached. (Majorly Jpeg compressed so pardon for the artifacty-ness) It all seems to work fine. It is however kind of cramped, which surprised me given the size of the OLPC's screen. I assume its either treating the screen as lower resolution or drawing the fonts and such very large. Any Eric wizzes out there know how to fix that? Emulation bites again. You're at 1024x768, not 1200x900. I wonder if it does more harm than good to have emulation images that go into this resolution. People trying out sugar do not all realize that they are not getting things as designed. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Playing with IDEs
can I just hack an x-config file to reset this? I have a big monitor 8) JK On Dec 24, 2007 4:03 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeffrey Kesselman writes: I have an image of eric3 on VMWare emulation attached. (Majorly Jpeg compressed so pardon for the artifacty-ness) It all seems to work fine. It is however kind of cramped, which surprised me given the size of the OLPC's screen. I assume its either treating the screen as lower resolution or drawing the fonts and such very large. Any Eric wizzes out there know how to fix that? Emulation bites again. You're at 1024x768, not 1200x900. I wonder if it does more harm than good to have emulation images that go into this resolution. People trying out sugar do not all realize that they are not getting things as designed. -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: A bit confused about updates
There is an automatic upgrade system. Your machine will automatically upgrade to the latest stable version. The various builds and branches are described at http://dev.laptop.org/roadmap ; click 'see completed milestones' to see the older ship.* branches. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Playing with IDEs
Bernie has the details to get a 1200x900 screen in the emulator on the wiki somewhere (right?); since XOs may in the future have differently-sized screens, Bernie's contention is that we are just asking for trouble later if our applications don't scale to the available space. Opinions differ on this. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: suspend/resume support?
Read the blog. Given what you're trying to do with suspend/resume, I can understand why it might be challenging. I got my developer key today and am updating to the latest joyride. I'll post if suspend/resume works for me. Jake On Dec 24, 2007 1:56 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you read my blog (http://www.gettysfamily.org/wordpress/ you'll get a taste for what was involved in building/debugging a machine to suspend/resume *really* well. I have one more installment to write, but the first two installments that will give you a taste of what we went through. We ran out of time to get the user level policy done in time; the testing of the hardware became totally consuming for the team. We could always fix the software later: but you don't get to fix the hardware. Fixed in update.1 (or joyride, today). - -Jim On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 14:27 -0500, Jake B wrote: Could I get more info on /sys/power/state please? For a project where intelligent power consumption is such a large concern, I would expect this to be solid. Could anyone weigh in on the status of suspend/resume on the XO, and perhaps explain why my G1G1 does not appear to implement this feature? Is it enabled in build 650, or did it not make it into the stable release? Please let me know. Thanks. Jake On Dec 23, 2007 1:45 PM, Jordan Crouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23/12/07 08:29 -1000, Mitch Bradley wrote: Jake B wrote: Are XO developers planning to implement support for suspend-to-RAM/resume on the XO? Please let me know. Thanks. That feature is already implemented. Press the power button and it suspends; press again to resume. Lid closures do it too. And as always, /sys/power/state is available for your manual power suspending needs. Jordan -- Jordan Crouse Systems Software Development Engineer Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Playing with IDEs
On Dec 24, 2007 4:57 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernie has the details to get a 1200x900 screen in the emulator on the wiki somewhere (right?); All I could find was a qemu cant do this on the emulation page and a very confusing discussion of multiple different drives on the drivers page. I'm willing to bet my VMWare is capable of this if someone could just point me at the right settings to put into my xorg.conf -- ~~ Microsoft help desk says: reply hazy, ask again later. ~~ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO touchpad
That's all I'm after, really. Making an application that uses it before the stable branch has drivers for it would be somewhat pointless. On Dec 24, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote: Ross Andrews wrote: I got my laptop through G1G1 last week, and I've been trying to play with all the neat facets of the hardware, but I'm unable to get the other mode of the touchpad (the stylus mode) to do anything. Is there a particular activity that uses it? Is there some way I can tell Pygame to read it, so I can play with it that way? I figured that Paint would use it, but it doesn't seem to. One way to exercise the stylus mode is via the firmware selftests. Turn on via the power button, then immediately press and hold the big round directional button in the left direction. That will start a sequence of hardware diagnostics. Eventually it will get to the touchpad test. That test displays dots corresponding to samples received from the touchpad - blue dots for fingertip mode and yellow for stylus mode. Fingernail pressure works as a stylus surrogate. This selftest feature is of course useless for creating new applications that use the device, but it can demonstrate that the hardware is functional. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Is DRM on every G1G1 laptop?
John Gilmore wrote: Please note that there are users like me who have the exact problem described by http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5558. I have been totally __unable__ to gain access to the Open Firmware ok prompt. Please read the top section of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Autoreinstallation_image: This page is for software developers only. It does not apply to Give One Get One laptops unless you first get a developer key; until then, please use the olpc-update or activated upgrade method. I thought security (i.e. security-against-the-owner-himself, i.e. DRM) was supposed to be disabled on G1G1 laptops. See for example the statement at the bottom of the GPL compliance discussion in: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/4286#comment:8 Because the anti-theft system will not be deployed for the G1G1 laptops, OLPC should feel free to pursue with source distribution under GPLv3 6(b) (e.g., with a written [offer] for source code) as planned. DRM was supposed to only be enabled on shipments to countries that specifically require anti-theft protection due to corrupt supply chains. Did somebody screw up and put DRM onto every G1G1 laptop? John G1G1 laptops are shipped with the ak tag present in the manufacturing data, so the activation step of the antitheft system is unnecessary. They are, however, shipped with the security/firmware-write- protection feature enabled, which implies that you need a developer key to get unfettered access to the hardware. We have expedited the collection of serial number information for G1G1 machines from the factory, so we can generate developer keys for them more quickly. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developer_Key describes the procedure for obtaining a developer key. We tried to make that procedure as easy as possible within the constraints of our available manpower and time (i.e. we have a lot of other things that need attention too). Note that there is no discretionary component to this procedure - ask and you shall receive. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Conway's Life activity
That reminds me of a version in Etoys. http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/LifeGame.006.pr The nice thing about Etoys version is that you can edit the rule dynamically by drag-and-drop while the simulation is running. You can just try what-if simualtions whenever you like. On some installations, it may run very slowly; a plugin for accerating the particle system is missing in the VM. Try it after we resolve the issue. One can think to write a graphical DSL for specifying CA rules in Etoys. That would be a fun project for hackers... -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Conway's Life activity
I think it would be neat to have a dedicated activity for it, with the ability to save interesting patterns in the journal, and so forth. I was planning to put in a rule-editing system not unlike Autocell: http://www.topshareware.com/Cellular-Automata-download-9567.htm (I couldn't find any pages about it, just the download link. Fairly old Windows program.) On Dec 24, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: That reminds me of a version in Etoys. http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/LifeGame.006.pr The nice thing about Etoys version is that you can edit the rule dynamically by drag-and-drop while the simulation is running. You can just try what-if simualtions whenever you like. On some installations, it may run very slowly; a plugin for accerating the particle system is missing in the VM. Try it after we resolve the issue. One can think to write a graphical DSL for specifying CA rules in Etoys. That would be a fun project for hackers... -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Sugar on Slackware 12.0
I just wanted to report that I've sucessfully got sugar built and running on Slackware 12. Of course there are a lot of dependencies to install (gstreamer and friends, some gnome libs) and some library to update if you start from a fresh Slackware installation. But sugar is not so hard to build in distros other than Fedora and Ubuntu, really. I did: sugar-jhbuild update sugar-jhbuild built and then I compiled and installed the missing libraries and the python modules. The most tricky part was Xephyr, which was missing. Since I didn't want to mess with my xorg installation I just took xorg-server-1.3.0.0 source (which is the version that ships with Slackware 12) and compiled it with: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/xserver-xephyr --exec-prefix=/usr/local/xserver-xephyr --enable-kdrive --enable-xephyr make make install Then I made a symbolic link to xephyr in /usr/local/bin. Should I add this infos on the wiki? Cheers, -c. -- www.cesaremarilungo.com ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Is DRM on every G1G1 laptop?
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developer_Key describes the procedure for obtaining a developer key. We tried to make that procedure as easy as possible within the constraints of our available manpower and time (i.e. we have a lot of other things that need attention too). Note that there is no discretionary component to this procedure - ask and you shall receive. I now have my developer key - thank you very much. But there were hurdles: The procedure describes using 'wget' to fetch the key. Perhaps due to my physical connection setup (wired + proxy), the 'wget' would time out and say Resolving activation.laptop.org ... failed. [Note: for me, wget on the laptop *does* work when fetching from other olpc servers. And Browse on the laptop *did* fetch (from activation.laptop.org) the status page associated with my key.] I ended up using a browser on a regular Linux system to fetch the key. [And I had to __twice__ override the browser, which kept telling me it did not trust the activation.laptop certificate.] Then I had to provide a way to transfer the key from the Linux system to the laptop (to match how the other systems on my local LAN communicate, I installed vsftpd on the laptop). A lot of effort. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 1475
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1475/ -TurtleArt-4.xo +TurtleArt-7.xo --- TurtleArt-7 --- * simple i18n * Spanish blocks -- This email was automatically generated Aggregated logs at http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pkgs.html ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Conway's Life activity
Hi, Ross, I think it would be neat to have a dedicated activity for it, with the ability to save interesting patterns in the journal, and so forth. I'm not sure if a dedicated activity is neater or not (I know people who would say yes), but it is surely possible with the Etoys version to save interesting patterns in the Journal. Different rules, different ways to make the initial state different colors, more variables, more states, etc., etc., can be all packaged in a Journal entry. The logic to count the neighboring on-cells is end-user accessible, and it is packaged as well so that the user can even change that. (After all, I just wrote it while I was waiting for an appointment at a clinic. That means anybody can just do it if you have an XO.) You could write a script so that the you paint the picture of an initial state and set it. I was planning to put in a rule-editing system not unlike Autocell: http://www.topshareware.com/Cellular-Automata-download-9567.htm (I couldn't find any pages about it, just the download link. Fairly old Windows program.) Could you elaborate the rule-editing system of Autocell at any chance (over the holidays^^;)? I thought a rule-editting system in which you can specify the before and after state visually is nice, and also the concise description people use would be also nice for different audience. But of course there will be much more different ways, I'm sure. Thank you! -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Is DRM on every G1G1 laptop?
On Dec 24, 2007 8:11 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The procedure describes using 'wget' to fetch the key. Perhaps due to my physical connection setup (wired + proxy), the 'wget' would time out and say Resolving activation.laptop.org ... failed. [Note: for me, wget on the laptop *does* work when fetching from other olpc servers. And Browse on the laptop *did* fetch (from activation.laptop.org) the status page associated with my key.] If you could open a trac ticket and provide more information here, it would be helpful. Perhaps use the '-d' option to wget, for example, and include the contents of your /etc/resolv.conf, etc. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
