Calling all small keyboards
I don't have one to measure, but the 1991 Psion series 3 has 13.5 keys per row on a 165mm-wide keyboard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_3 Maltron's designs are a long way from simply being scaled Qwerty keyboards, but they've been around since the late 1970s. They might be helpful as an example of what had already been considered by 1993. http://www.maltron.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maltron_keyboard Steve ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: running speech-dispatcher as non-root using setuid on XO and accompanying security issues
Jan Buchal napsal(a): HG Hi, What is the need for speech-dispatcher to run as root? Is it HG possible to run it as non-root? We need to modify the HG speechd.conf files from a non-root program and as such run the HG speech-dispatcher daemon with non-root privileges. Sure. SD can runs as root or as any other user which has access on audio. Every user has own configuration in .speech-dispatcher directory or if there no, then it search in /etc/speech-dispatcher Hello, the various ways of running Speech Dispatcher are described in http://www.freebsoft.org/doc/speechd/speech-dispatcher_9.html#SEC22 Even when running as a system-wide service, it is recommended not to run Speech Dispatcher under root, but under some special user like 'speech-dispatcher' who has only access to the appropriate log/config/pid destinations and to the audio hardware for the security reasons mentioned above. I think the Debian package for Speech Dispatcher is a good example. With regards, Hynek Hanke ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sur] Imagen de Inicio. Boot
Henry is asking about localised images for the XO, and specifically asking about a branded boot image (splash image). 2008/7/28 Henry Vélez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Les pregunto. ¿como puedo poner una imagen personalizada en el inicio de la laptop? Que cambios quieres hacer? Solo el splash? Parte del sistema de seguridad es que las maquinas no aceptan cualquier imagen (imagen del SO) para instalarse. Hice el cambio del Splash tal como se hace en una distro de Linux normal, pero en este caso no resultó. He estado buscando la ruta donde esté alojada la img que hace de fondo en el inicio de la XO. Creo que esta es la solución más simple. He is looking where the boot img is stored. I am not completely certain but the early image may be in the firmware? No conozco el asunto en detalle, pero la primer imagen creo que esta en el firmware. Mas adelante en el proceso puede que se muestre una imagen desde linux. abrazos, martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Evil code-sharing hacks?
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:59:37AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Here is a fun and amusing easy weekend project for an enterprising activity author: Implement a code sharing demo as follows: 1. stub out a collaborative RemoteControl activity (perhaps based on Chat, Xavier, or Distribute)... 2. which, when started fresh, asks you to select an activity compatible with RemoteControl to be launched in the container of the RemoteControl instance under the control of said instance, 3. which, when shared, causes both the RemoteControl instance and the controlled activity instance to be shared, and What do you mean by shared? 4. which, when joined, transfers the code of the controlled activity to the joining RemoteControl instance which promptly instantiates its own controlled instance and directs that instance to join the shared controlled instance. This specification roughly makes sense, but I don't understand the motivation. Why would an activity author want to spend a weekend doing this? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
how to get a screenshot
Hello everyone, I need to get a screenshot of an activity and I am wondering what is the best way: 1. using sugar-jhbuild on fedora: the only problem here is that the widgets have all wrong sizes (how to fix this?) 2. using the XO: I have no idea how to print the screen. Thanks! Victor Lazzarini Music Technology Laboratory Music Department National University of Ireland, Maynooth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: how to get a screenshot
Alt-1 will capture a screenshot within Sugar; the resulting image will appear in the Journal. - Eben On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Victor Lazzarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I need to get a screenshot of an activity and I am wondering what is the best way: 1. using sugar-jhbuild on fedora: the only problem here is that the widgets have all wrong sizes (how to fix this?) 2. using the XO: I have no idea how to print the screen. Thanks! Victor Lazzarini Music Technology Laboratory Music Department National University of Ireland, Maynooth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: how to get a screenshot
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 17:03, Victor Lazzarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I need to get a screenshot of an activity and I am wondering what is the best way: 1. using sugar-jhbuild on fedora: the only problem here is that the widgets have all wrong sizes (how to fix this?) Run sugar-emulator -x in a ./sugar-jhbuild shell, instead of ./sugar-jhbuild run (AFAIK) 2. using the XO: I have no idea how to print the screen. Alt-1 does a screenshot as an image to the Journal. Regards Morgan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Project name :Language Learning with Larry is set up
Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:41:12 -0500, Meli Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Project name : Language Learning with Larry Done. Your tree is here: git+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/git/activities/larry Please follow instructions here for importing your project: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Importing_your_project Let us know if you have any problems with your tree. Happy hacking. Cheers, -- Henry Edward Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: how to get a screenshot
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 17:03, Victor Lazzarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I need to get a screenshot of an activity and I am wondering what is the best way: 1. using sugar-jhbuild on fedora: the only problem here is that the widgets have all wrong sizes (how to fix this?) Run sugar-emulator -x in a ./sugar-jhbuild shell, instead of ./sugar-jhbuild run (AFAIK) Yes, this works. You'll need to be using a monitor with a resolution greater than 1200x900 in order for this to work, though. Ultimately, I'd like to see us get much closer to approximating the correct widget sizes and layouts at other resolutions as well, but I'm not one with any clue how to do that. - Eben 2. using the XO: I have no idea how to print the screen. Alt-1 does a screenshot as an image to the Journal. Regards Morgan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: how to get a screenshot
Hello Victor, Victor Lazzarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need to get a screenshot of an activity and I am wondering what is the best way: 1. using sugar-jhbuild on fedora: the only problem here is that the widgets have all wrong sizes (how to fix this?) Don't know... 2. using the XO: I have no idea how to print the screen. Alt + F1 should do. Then you can rename your screenshots from the journal. HTH, -- Bastien ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: how to get a screenshot
Thanks everyone, I got the screenshot I needed using method 2. Victor At 16:12 28/07/2008, Bastien wrote: Hello Victor, Victor Lazzarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need to get a screenshot of an activity and I am wondering what is the best way: 1. using sugar-jhbuild on fedora: the only problem here is that the widgets have all wrong sizes (how to fix this?) Don't know... 2. using the XO: I have no idea how to print the screen. Alt + F1 should do. Then you can rename your screenshots from the journal. HTH, -- Bastien ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel Victor Lazzarini Music Technology Laboratory Music Department National University of Ireland, Maynooth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: how to get a screenshot
DSD -- This reminds me... your script for having screenshots automatically scp'd to a remote server when they are taken is really cool/useful. Is this available online yet? Brian On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Victor Lazzarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone, I got the screenshot I needed using method 2. Victor At 16:12 28/07/2008, Bastien wrote: Hello Victor, Victor Lazzarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need to get a screenshot of an activity and I am wondering what is the best way: 1. using sugar-jhbuild on fedora: the only problem here is that the widgets have all wrong sizes (how to fix this?) Don't know... 2. using the XO: I have no idea how to print the screen. Alt + F1 should do. Then you can rename your screenshots from the journal. HTH, -- Bastien ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel Victor Lazzarini Music Technology Laboratory Music Department National University of Ireland, Maynooth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: how to get a screenshot
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 11:44 -0400, Brian Jordan wrote: DSD -- This reminds me... your script for having screenshots automatically scp'd to a remote server when they are taken is really cool/useful. Is this available online yet? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar/Quick_screenshot_hack ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Power management testing, which build
Hi All, I would like to do some power management testing on my G1G1 unit. I heard that there is now a way to completely power down the radio from the GUI or the command line without restarting the machine. Is this correct? I have 703 on my machine but that OS version seems nothing special in regard of power management compared to earlier releases. Which would be the best Joyride build to do the testing with? Thanks, Andras ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Spare Screens
I realize this is the Devel list but since this list was so helpful when I had sound problems, I was wondering if anyone reading this could point me in the direction of acquiring a new screen for one of my G1G1 XOs. The old one's ribbon cable has stripped and now is unserviceable, naturally this is a predicament as I can't easily fix the ribbon cable (I have tried using a silver impregnated resin, but the leads are far too small). Is there anywhere I could contact that may be able to free one up for me? I realize this is a tall order, thanks for any help in advance. -- Regards, Chris Barrett ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Cannot boot joyride-2200 from USB stick
On Jul 26 2008, at 21:44, Ton van Overbeek was caught saying: Deepak Saxena wrote: Sigh++ Bought a 1G microSD with a usb adapter and it happens to be one that OpenFirmware cannot talk to so I can't boot off it. Just wanted to give you an update that this is still on my plate, just seems to be hitting every roadblock in the way of solving it. :O ~Deepak One more data point. After some initial peeking in the ramdisk, I copied the 2212 ext3 image to a SD card, inserted it in the XO and tried to boot from it. That works !!! Of course, no activities since /home/olpc is also on the SD card and the jffs does not get mounted. So it seems USB is the problem. There is one warning message early in the boot at approximately 2 seconds about using an obsolete function in the sd driver, to use bus-methods instead. I am writing from memory, so this is not exact. Could this have something to do with it, since the sd driver is needed for USB? USB needs sd_mod which is still built into the kernel. Issue ended up being that we need to load ohci-hcd, not ehci-scd. Working ramdisk @: http://dev.laptop.org/~dsaxena/olpcrd-2200-fixup.img ~Deepak -- Deepak Saxena - Kernel Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Spare Screens
Hi Chris, Sorry to hear of your predicament. There are a number of repair centers that have sprung up around the US. ( http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Directory_of_repair_centers) All of them have screens available, but the OLPC-recommended price point is seventy dollars. Try contacting some repair centers privately and they may be able to offer you a free, or at least steeply reduced screen. You could also try the developer's program and receive a new XO. Best wishes, -- Ian Daniher -- OLPC Support Volunteer OLPCinci Repair Center Coordinator -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype : it.daniher irc.freenode.com: Ian_Daniher ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sur] Imagen de Inicio. Boot
Hola On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Henry is asking about localised images for the XO, and specifically asking about a branded boot image (splash image). 2008/7/28 Henry Vélez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Les pregunto. ¿como puedo poner una imagen personalizada en el inicio de la laptop? Que cambios quieres hacer? Solo el splash? Parte del sistema de seguridad es que las maquinas no aceptan cualquier imagen (imagen del SO) para instalarse. Hice el cambio del Splash tal como se hace en una distro de Linux normal, pero en este caso no resultó. He estado buscando la ruta donde esté alojada la img que hace de fondo en el inicio de la XO. Creo que esta es la solución más simple. He is looking where the boot img is stored. I am not completely certain but the early image may be in the firmware? No conozco el asunto en detalle, pero la primer imagen creo que esta en el firmware. Mas adelante en el proceso puede que se muestre una imagen desde linux. abrazos, martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel Cscott recomienda estos links para el tema http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Tweaking_the_boot_animation http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Replacing_the_shutdown_screen los dos links estan en http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Customization_key. espero sirva henry :). -- Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero One Laptop Per Child [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Cannot boot joyride-2200 from USB stick
Deepak Saxena wrote: On Jul 26 2008, at 21:44, Ton van Overbeek was caught saying: Deepak Saxena wrote: Sigh++ Bought a 1G microSD with a usb adapter and it happens to be one that OpenFirmware cannot talk to so I can't boot off it. Just wanted to give you an update that this is still on my plate, just seems to be hitting every roadblock in the way of solving it. :O ~Deepak One more data point. After some initial peeking in the ramdisk, I copied the 2212 ext3 image to a SD card, inserted it in the XO and tried to boot from it. That works !!! Of course, no activities since /home/olpc is also on the SD card and the jffs does not get mounted. So it seems USB is the problem. There is one warning message early in the boot at approximately 2 seconds about using an obsolete function in the sd driver, to use bus-methods instead. I am writing from memory, so this is not exact. Could this have something to do with it, since the sd driver is needed for USB? USB needs sd_mod which is still built into the kernel. Issue ended up being that we need to load ohci-hcd, not ehci-scd. Working ramdisk @: http://dev.laptop.org/~dsaxena/olpcrd-2200-fixup.img ~Deepak Thanks Deepak. I am now at work away from my XO. Will try tonight and let you know if it works for me. Ton ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2222
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build Changes in build from build: 2216 Size delta: 3.01M -sugar-evince-python 2.20.1.1-2.olpc3 +sugar-evince-python 2.20.1.1-3.olpc3 -olpcsound 5.08.92-2.olpc3 +olpcsound 5.08.92-3.olpc3 -pygame 1.7.1-17.fc9 +pygame 1.8.0-1.olpc3.1 +cracklib 2.8.12-2 +cracklib-dicts 2.8.12-2 -pam 1.0.1-5.olpc3 +pam 1.0.1-4.fc9 +poppler 0.6.2-5.olpc3 -sugar-evince 2.20.1.1-2.olpc3 +sugar-evince 2.20.1.1-3.olpc3 -SDL_mixer 1.2.8-8.olpc3.1 -libmikmod 3.2.0-3.beta2.fc9 -python-numeric 24.2-11.fc9 --- Changes for pygame 1.8.0-1.olpc3.1 from 1.7.1-17.fc9 --- + Upgrade version to drop numeric dependency --- Included cracklib version 2.8.12-2 --- --- Included cracklib-dicts version 2.8.12-2 --- --- Included poppler version 0.6.2-5.olpc3 --- -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Power management testing, which build
Please help test joyride-2200. We'll announce a new weekly joyride on Wednesday afternoon on this list. Thanks, Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New joyride build 2222
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Build Announcer v2 wrote: | -python-numeric 24.2-11.fc9 Thanks to Daniel and Scott for their work getting rid of this dependency. Anyone whose activities use Numerical arrays in Python should check that they still work in +. If anything is broken, I'll be happy to help fix it. The only Activity I am sure needs to be checked is Measure. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiOE0kACgkQUJT6e6HFtqSsCwCdEtQiQBMbuFy5x+dsiqmhi21p gqoAnicTRJ5ZTQy1u5J1ZCmiy5g34imn =9gkE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Read Etexts problems with speech-dispatcher resolved -- mostly
I have just updated the Read Etexts activity to version 6. This solves the problems I was having with pausing and resuming speech in the activity. The activity no longer hangs when you do this. Highlighting still doesn't work perfectly; it tends to fall behind and catch up. This is an issue with espeak, I think. As noted here before, using a multi-threaded activity interferes with power management. Read Etexts will have functioning power management if speech-dispatcher is not installed, but will not if it is installed, even if you never use the Speech feature. I know Hemant Goyal was working on that problem and I don't know where he left it. He was also working on packaging RPMs for speech-dispatcher on Fedora. He has some that work but have many dependencies that chew up scare disk space. I know he's working on an alternate set of RPMs with fewer dependencies for OLPC. I haven't tried them. The instructions in the wiki for installing speech-dispatcher are incorrect and out of date. I'm hoping Hemant will update these as well when he is ready. You can read more on the Activities page at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Read_Etexts James Simmons ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New joyride build 2222
Build Announcer v2 wrote: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build Changes in build from build: 2216 Size delta: 3.01M -sugar-evince-python 2.20.1.1-2.olpc3 +sugar-evince-python 2.20.1.1-3.olpc3 -olpcsound 5.08.92-2.olpc3 +olpcsound 5.08.92-3.olpc3 -pygame 1.7.1-17.fc9 +pygame 1.8.0-1.olpc3.1 +cracklib 2.8.12-2 +cracklib-dicts 2.8.12-2 -pam 1.0.1-5.olpc3 +pam 1.0.1-4.fc9 +poppler 0.6.2-5.olpc3 -sugar-evince 2.20.1.1-2.olpc3 +sugar-evince 2.20.1.1-3.olpc3 -SDL_mixer 1.2.8-8.olpc3.1 -libmikmod 3.2.0-3.beta2.fc9 -python-numeric 24.2-11.fc9 --- Changes for pygame 1.8.0-1.olpc3.1 from 1.7.1-17.fc9 --- + Upgrade version to drop numeric dependency --- Included cracklib version 2.8.12-2 --- --- Included cracklib-dicts version 2.8.12-2 --- --- Included poppler version 0.6.2-5.olpc3 --- -- Why is cracklib (and pam 1.0.1-4.fc9) back? It was removed in joyride-2200. Just curious ... Ton van Overbeek ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New joyride build 2222
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:47 -0400, Ton van Overbeek wrote: Why is cracklib (and pam 1.0.1-4.fc9) back? It was removed in joyride-2200. Just curious ... See the discussion about PAM last week on this list. We decided not to fork but instead just to replace big dictionaries with small/empty ones. The size increase suggests that maybe my pilgrim hack to zap the big dictionaries did not work. I'll look later... Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Please test pygame activities with joyride-2222
We included a pygame update in this build to drop the dependency on Numeric. It now uses numpy. Testing reports from pygame-based activities appreciated. I already tested Maze. Thanks, Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: Spare Screens
Chris, I can't vouch for the company as I have never ordered anything from them, but http://xoexplosion.com http://xoexplosion.com/ sell screens for $70 in their spare parts section. They seem to be out of stock at the moment though. Kind regards, Josh _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barrett Sent: 28 July 2008 17:33 To: devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: Spare Screens I realize this is the Devel list but since this list was so helpful when I had sound problems, I was wondering if anyone reading this could point me in the direction of acquiring a new screen for one of my G1G1 XOs. The old one's ribbon cable has stripped and now is unserviceable, naturally this is a predicament as I can't easily fix the ribbon cable (I have tried using a silver impregnated resin, but the leads are far too small). Is there anywhere I could contact that may be able to free one up for me? I realize this is a tall order, thanks for any help in advance. -- Regards, Chris Barrett ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Software ECO - OFW q2d17, per703-7, en708-2
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:46:18PM -0400, Joseph A. Feinstein wrote: Kim, On the laptop where I installed Joyride 2200, I have OFW Q2D16. At this time it's not known whether it came with the build or it's a leftover from a previous (build 708) installation. Michael Stone will investigate. After a reboot with both AC and battery power sources connected, the (unlocked) machine in question now has Q2E11 installed. The most likely explanation is that the machine was unpowered when it was rebooted into joyride-2200. Can you confirm or deny this hypothesis? Can you reproduce the problem after downgrading the machine to q2d16? Michael P.S. - Please use public mail for publishable questions. Thanks. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New joyride build 2222
The size increase suggests that maybe my pilgrim hack to zap the big dictionaries did not work. I'll look later... Noticed that sugar-evince 2.20.1.1-3.olpc3 brought in poppler 0.6.2-5.olpc3, which is 3 MB. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Project name : SimpleRPG is set up
Tue, 06 May 2008 16:39:01 -0400, Mel Chua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Project name : SimpleRPG Done. Your tree is here: git+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/git/activities/simplerpg Please follow instructions here for importing your project: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Importing_your_project Let us know if you have any problems with your tree. Happy hacking. Cheers, -- Henry Edward Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2223
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2223 Changes in build 2223 from build: Size delta: 0.00M -olpcupdate 2.11-1 +olpcupdate 2.12-1 --- Changes for olpcupdate 2.12-1 from 2.11-1 --- + Support 'low' priority updates (not applied automatically). + Add '--latest' option to olpc-update (dlo trac #4325). + Fix olpc-update-query, which is broken in 2.10 and 2.11. -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Trac default milestone
Trac default milestone is currently 8.2. Is that a good idea? We are trying to punt down the Sugar 8.2 bugs, but with these default the list keep growing. I'd prefer to go through the list of unassigned bugs every few days and make 8.2 only those that really needs to be... Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
inconsistent identification regarding full-screen sessions
FYI - I am not writing a ticket at this time (until I can reproduce consistent misbehavior). G1G1. Joyride manually updated to 2216. My biggest confusion arises because I __cannot visually tell__ which icon in the Frame top bar is associated with which running task. I did not want to tie up a whole Terminal session to a job which can peacefully run in the background -- so I normally start such a job (from Terminal) by appending '' to the command. Afterwards, I can enter other (foreground) commands using that same Terminal session. Happened to call up Frame. Noticed in the top bar a NUMBER of small dark circle icons. Turned out that when I clicked on one of these small dark icons, the frame top bar highlight shifted to that icon (and a drop-down palette was shown, offering 'Resume' and 'Stop' -- but not identifying what session/task that icon was for). Not wanting to have these small dark circle icons in my Frame top bar, I clicked on 'Stop' in the palette in several of them. Did NOT see any of the small dark circle icons go away. [But afterwards, I found out that my background job had received a signal 11.] mikus Speculation: After I have started the background job, I start a full-screen (ported Linux) application from that same Terminal session. If I now enter a sequence of alt-tab presses, sometimes I see just the full-screen application (in its proper place in the sequence of session screens being shown), but sometimes I see __BOTH__ the full-screen application and (on a SEPARATE screen in the sequence of screens) the Terminal session from which I launched the full-screen application. I think it likely that when two screens get thus shown for what was just a single Terminal session, the extra screen (is it the 'full-screen'? I don't know) gets represented in the Frame top bar as a small dark circle icon. If my speculation happens to be true, then I see 3 inconsistencies: - If the full-screen application sometimes shows up as an extra screen, and as an extra icon within the Frame top bar, it should *always* show up that way. - If running a full-screen application can cause an extra icon on the Frame top bar, then when the full-screen application is exited (goes away), its extra icon in the Frame top bar should 'go away as well. [Today my Frame top bar had a considerable number of small dark circle icons, presumably created on earlier occasions when I started (and stopped) that full-screen application. Yet at any one time I had run only a single instance of the full-screen application, plus the one background job.] - If running a full-screen application can cause an extra icon on the Frame top bar, then that icon should be *labeled* with the name of the command that started that application. [Also, I normally have two Terminal sessions active -- but I have filled in the label in the Application top bar to distinguish between them. Yet when I hover over the icons in the Frame top bar, both say 'Terminal Activity' instead of using my labels. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: Software ECO - OFW q2d17, per703-7, en708-2
I can't confirm or deny this. After downgrading a machine to Q2D16, reinstalling the build 708 and then installing the Joyride 2200, the right firmware (Q2E11) appeared to be installed. I didn't run the test without the external power supply because I'm (almost) sure that the original installation was done on external power. The abnormal behavior of the Joyride 2200, observed so far, is described in tickets #7648 (activities installation), #7693 (Browser activity doesn't run) and #7694 (olpc-netlog command is absent). Joe - At 04:08 PM 7/28/2008, Michael Stone wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:46:18PM -0400, Joseph A. Feinstein wrote: Kim, On the laptop where I installed Joyride 2200, I have OFW Q2D16. At this time it's not known whether it came with the build or it's a leftover from a previous (build 708) installation. Michael Stone will investigate. After a reboot with both AC and battery power sources connected, the (unlocked) machine in question now has Q2E11 installed. The most likely explanation is that the machine was unpowered when it was rebooted into joyride-2200. Can you confirm or deny this hypothesis? Can you reproduce the problem after downgrading the machine to q2d16? Michael P.S. - Please use public mail for publishable questions. Thanks. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2224
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2224 Changes in build 2224 from build: 2223 Size delta: 0.00M -kernel 2.6.25-20080724.1.olpc.284cecf34b83fb0 +kernel 2.6.25-20080728.1.olpc.a3851e734bcee1b -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New joyride build 2222
Anyone whose activities use Numerical arrays in Python should check that they still work in +. If anything is broken, I'll be happy to help fix it. The only Activity I am sure needs to be checked is Measure. I can confirm that Measure does NOT work. Neither does PlayGo. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Trac default milestone
Also I'm not convinced not specified as default component is a good idea, unless we have someone taking care of triaging that component. Marco On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trac default milestone is currently 8.2. Is that a good idea? We are trying to punt down the Sugar 8.2 bugs, but with these default the list keep growing. I'd prefer to go through the list of unassigned bugs every few days and make 8.2 only those that really needs to be... Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
specifying what services Activities may use
There was an earlier discussion of how to provide the right build level for users out in the field, since now Builds can be installed separately from Activities -- leading to the possibility that for someone an Activity_version on his XO will find itself *mismatched* with the Build_version on his XO. The problem is bigger than that. Since Joyride 2210, I have seen three of the Activities I often show off get broken by the *removal* of services from the Joyride builds. If the current software distribution process has trouble matching existing Activities to the services_provided_by_a_Build -- how will NOT YET EXISTING Activities be accommodated by the software that Sugar is supposed to run on top of ??? I'm thinking of someone in a far-off land who has an idea for a killer Activity, to be run under Sugar. HOW does he learn which (library, or kernel, or whatever) services will be available *everywhere* Sugar can be installed, which services will be available only with *specific* builds/platforms, and which services would *never* be available for functions fitted into Sugar ? mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] specifying what services Activities may use
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jerry Williams wrote: | Seems like this problem for linux was solved with RPM. | With rpm if something is missing for something you want to install, it | complains and won't let you install it. That's not really the problem we're discussing. We're talking about the case in which you try to install an old bundle onto a new build, or vice versa. RPM solves this problem by just not letting you do that. You can't install a rh9 RPM on FC8. I don't think many people around here would be happy to require all new .xo bundles for every release. I don't have a solution to suggest, but I don't think classic dependency management is going to do the trick. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiOdOEACgkQUJT6e6HFtqTGkwCfc1+dfhpyyBOeunbv0IWUeaaa GccAnRZGstdun3UbDMJ9INwCtfXYUt8T =TrAc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
TuxPaint woes
There are people like me who like TuxPaint better than Oficina. However, to run TuxPaint, users of current Joyride need to re-install SDL_mixer and libmikmod. Also, TuxPaint is not being checkpointed by Journal (and seems to start slower than it did on build 65x). I realize there is a serious shortage of resources. But should it be up to the Activity developers (or in this case, those who first fitted the software to Sugar) to keep supporting their submission as the Sugar/operating_system platform keeps evolving ? mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] specifying what services Activities may use
Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jerry Williams wrote: | Seems like this problem for linux was solved with RPM. | With rpm if something is missing for something you want to install, it | complains and won't let you install it. That's not really the problem we're discussing. We're talking about the case in which you try to install an old bundle onto a new build, or vice versa. Another reason why each build should come with a default bundle. If countries develop their bundles independantly from Sugar evolution, then the problem will just be more painful. If countries have a default bundle to refer to when developing their own, it could help solving dependancy issues indirectly. The default activities could be selected so that 90% of the dependancies for other (known) activities are satisfied. At least, a default bundle combined with a nice GUI for xo-get.py would discourage installation of old bundles on newer builds. And you guys could get rid of the scary red warning on the wiki :) -- Bastien ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Cannot boot joyride-2200 from USB stick
Ton van Overbeek wrote: Deepak Saxena wrote: USB needs sd_mod which is still built into the kernel. Issue ended up being that we need to load ohci-hcd, not ehci-scd. Working ramdisk @: http://dev.laptop.org/~dsaxena/olpcrd-2200-fixup.img ~Deepak Thanks Deepak. I am now at work away from my XO. Will try tonight and let you know if it works for me. Ton As expected joyride-2200 does boot properly from USB with your fixed ramdisk. However when I get to the initial screen to define the name of the computer the mouse and keyboard are not working. Looking at vt1 (Ctrl-Alt-F1) shows that the xserver does not load module evdev: (EE) module ABI minor version (1) is newer than server's version (0) (EE) Failed to load module evdev (module requirement mismatch, 0) . Compared with booting the devel-ext3 joyride 2200 image from a SD card (without the fixed ramdisk) - Same behavior. I had the same behavior (dead keyboard and mouse) in qemu, believe this was fixed in a later joyride by an xserver update. Checked with booting todays devel-ext3 joyride-2224 from SD card: this build works OK, I can even download most of the activites via control panel software update. Now waiting till your ramdisk fix makes it into joyride, so you can close trac #7620. Thanks again for fixing this. Ton ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: TuxPaint woes
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:56:47PM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: But should it be up to the Activity developers (or in this case, those who first fitted the software to Sugar) to keep supporting their submission as the Sugar/operating_system platform keeps evolving ? Who else would you propose? Regards, Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Packaging the activation server for the XS
Hi Scott, I am exploring what it will take to package the action lease server for the XS, and what usage scenarios we can support. So I had an initial look around act-server, which covers a much wider functionality than I had in mind. If we assume for a moment that the lease management is done elsewhere, and that the XS has either a local private key that can sign leases locally or dole out pre-signed keys (fed to it via a usb drive), where can I find the scripts perform the handshake with the XO clients (I am assuming there are 2 - firmware-based and linux-based)? Can the current firmware on the XO accept leases signed with a local delegated key that is 2 steps removed from the OLPC key? For the time being, I plan on punting on the harder issues around network encryption we discussed earlier. Once the network-based lease server is in place, we can explore a fallback scheme involving teachers and usb keys for the machines that have soft-bricked themselves via active or passive kill. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: TuxPaint woes
michael wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:56:47PM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: But should it be up to the Activity developers (or in this case, those who first fitted the software to Sugar) to keep supporting their submission as the Sugar/operating_system platform keeps evolving ? Who else would you propose? the obvious answers are that we need to commit to some level of continuing support for activities, that we support the activities ourselves, or that we need to provide an extensible system so that activities can specify their dependencies (which will either lead to their fulfillment, or to the explicit disabling of the activity if they can't be fullfilled). so far OLPC hasn't specified a minimal level of supplied services, or offered a way for activities to explicitly request services they know to be required. do you really think we can expect activity developers to maintain their code in reaction mode, having to adapt to any change we make from release to release, only finding out about the breakage after the fact? i can't think of a faster way to make developers give up on our platform as a lost cause. paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2225
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2225 Changes in build 2225 from build: 2224 Size delta: 0.00M -bootfw q2e11-1.olpc2.unsigned +bootfw q2e12-1.olpc2.unsigned --- Changes for bootfw q2e12-1.olpc2.unsigned from q2e11-1.olpc2.unsigned --- + q2e12 this is an unsigned image + trac #7607 - minimal fix for JFFS2 hang problem -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Upgrade server on the XS -
Hi Scott, I'm looking at the 'upgrade-server' project, considering packaging it for the XS. After a read of the sources, I see that it does extend the rsync protocol a bit, but the commands seem to not be needed for updates: server is an rsync cmd, but clean and install are not, but I don't expect valid clients issuing clean or install cmds. On the XS installs in the field, it makes sense for the upgrade-server code to just serve from images in a directory -- deploying new versions to that directory is under the control of the NOC mgmt scripts and might happen overnight, or be delivered on a USB stick. So what I am wondering is - Can we just use rsync over an unpacked jffs2 image? If yes, what are the path conventions? - If there is some other protocol extension I haven't spotted that is needed, how can we disable the on demand fetch? cheers, martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] specifying what services Activities may use
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jerry Williams wrote: | Seems like this problem for linux was solved with RPM. | With rpm if something is missing for something you want to install, it | complains and won't let you install it. That's not really the problem we're discussing. We're talking about the case in which you try to install an old bundle onto a new build, or vice versa. Another reason why each build should come with a default bundle. If countries develop their bundles independantly from Sugar evolution, then the problem will just be more painful. If countries have a default bundle to refer to when developing their own, it could help solving dependancy issues indirectly. The default activities could be selected so that 90% of the dependancies for other (known) activities are satisfied. At least, a default bundle combined with a nice GUI for xo-get.py would discourage installation of old bundles on newer builds. recent joyrides include an activity updater which should help with this. And you guys could get rid of the scary red warning on the wiki :) on which page? bobby -- Bastien ___ Sugar mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] specifying what services Activities may use
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry Williams wrote: | Seems like this problem for linux was solved with RPM. | With rpm if something is missing for something you want to install, it | complains and won't let you install it. That's not really the problem we're discussing. We're talking about the case in which you try to install an old bundle onto a new build, or vice versa. RPM solves this problem by just not letting you do that. You can't install a rh9 RPM on FC8. Yes you can. It will be prevented only if specific versioned dependencies prevent it. I don't think many people around here would be happy to require all new .xo bundles for every release. I don't have a solution to suggest, but I don't think classic dependency management is going to do the trick. Yes, classic dependency management would help. Unfortunately, rpm and dpkg have several shortcomings of their own when you try to apply them to the XO case. It would be mighty interesting to see a 'userland' adaptation of rpm, supporting user-friendly features such as relocatable packages, while still taking advantage of the OS-wide rpm (for checking dependencies, for example). cheers. m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: [sugar] specifying what services Activities may use
Seems like this problem for linux was solved with RPM. With rpm if something is missing for something you want to install, it complains and won't let you install it. It seems like a lot of the python code I have looked at assumes you have stuff and just quietly dies and you have to look at the log and see, oh I am missing some module. Like the Terminal activity needs python-json. Pacman needs pygame. Jerry Williams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:sugar- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mikus Grinbergs Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:19 PM To: devel@lists.laptop.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [sugar] specifying what services Activities may use There was an earlier discussion of how to provide the right build level for users out in the field, since now Builds can be installed separately from Activities -- leading to the possibility that for someone an Activity_version on his XO will find itself *mismatched* with the Build_version on his XO. The problem is bigger than that. Since Joyride 2210, I have seen three of the Activities I often show off get broken by the *removal* of services from the Joyride builds. If the current software distribution process has trouble matching existing Activities to the services_provided_by_a_Build -- how will NOT YET EXISTING Activities be accommodated by the software that Sugar is supposed to run on top of ??? I'm thinking of someone in a far-off land who has an idea for a killer Activity, to be run under Sugar. HOW does he learn which (library, or kernel, or whatever) services will be available *everywhere* Sugar can be installed, which services will be available only with *specific* builds/platforms, and which services would *never* be available for functions fitted into Sugar ? mikus ___ Sugar mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: TuxPaint woes
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:26:28PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the obvious answers are that we need to commit to some level of continuing support for activities, What notion of support would you suggest? that we support the activities ourselves, As above. or that we need to provide an extensible system so that activities can specify their dependencies (which will either lead to their fulfillment, or to the explicit disabling of the activity if they can't be fullfilled). Constraint satisfaction (i.e. dependency checking) is certainly one approach; however, it is not universal; i.e. similar results can be achieved with usage-outcome reporting technology driven by both manual and automated regression testing. See http://gsoc-sugarbot.blogspot.com/ for some active work in this direction. so far OLPC hasn't specified a minimal level of supplied services, or offered a way for activities to explicitly request services they know to be required. On the other hand, it would be rather trivial for activities which cared to check their dependencies in a adhoc fashion (by running rpm themselves if they wish) and by reporting errors if necessary dependencies are unsatisfied. do you really think we can expect activity developers to maintain their code in reaction mode, having to adapt to any change we make from release to release, only finding out about the breakage after the fact? I actually think that we [SugarLabs] should adopt an approach similar to that taken by the Linux kernel (loosely paraphrased as): we're going to make breaking changes but if you push your drivers [activities] upstream, we'll help carry them along... According to this suggestion, OLPC would contribute to the maintenance of activities which are important to it as would any other employer of SugarLabs coders. Overall responsibility for maintaining SL-designated activities would rest with the SugarLabs community itself. can't think of a faster way to make developers give up on our platform as a lost cause. You need to be more imaginative. :) Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
[Server-devel] OLPC_XS_164 is xs-0.3-rc and my short term plans
Hi! If you are running or testing earluer versions of the XS image, I need to ask you to test this one. It will become our 0.3 unless we get new bug reports against it. I will be working the next few weeks on 1 - system level admin and tools - + PAM SOTP + Installation fixups + RSSH configuration 2 - user visible tools + XO-XS authentication + Moodle installation The other big task is the port to Fedora 9 -- but delayed at the moment. Help welcome :-) martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
[Server-devel] Packaging the activation server for the XS
Hi Scott, I am exploring what it will take to package the action lease server for the XS, and what usage scenarios we can support. So I had an initial look around act-server, which covers a much wider functionality than I had in mind. If we assume for a moment that the lease management is done elsewhere, and that the XS has either a local private key that can sign leases locally or dole out pre-signed keys (fed to it via a usb drive), where can I find the scripts perform the handshake with the XO clients (I am assuming there are 2 - firmware-based and linux-based)? Can the current firmware on the XO accept leases signed with a local delegated key that is 2 steps removed from the OLPC key? For the time being, I plan on punting on the harder issues around network encryption we discussed earlier. Once the network-based lease server is in place, we can explore a fallback scheme involving teachers and usb keys for the machines that have soft-bricked themselves via active or passive kill. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] schoolnet activities?
Bernie, Have we configured Browse to display the Flash activities automatically? Also, have we sugarized Firefox 3? David, you can install firefox 3 as an rpm however we haven't completed sugarizing it. Currently we are launching it from the command line. We will sugarize it as we are using for the next generation of E-Paath activities. Also, check out our E-Library that we have developed http://pustakalaya.olenepal.org all built w/ open-source components and and can scale to millions of objects. May be of interest to you. On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 15:03 +1100, David Leeming wrote: You can configure the XO so it loads the SWF files rather showing a blank screen or just use firefox 3 Can you let me know how to configure it, and install firefox 3? -- Bryan W. Berry Systems Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
