Re: Leaving
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:50 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: Like many others, Friday will be my last day employed by OLPC. I've enjoyed working on the project a lot, and hope to find some way to continue the work that has been begun. I'm very sorry to hear that. Will you be able to attend XOCamp2? The next release of Sugar appears to be left hanging, with no comment from management. I find this appalling. Although I expect that the @laptop.org addresses will continue to work for some time, you should probably use csc...@cscott.net for future correspondence. I've enjoyed working with you all. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Leaving
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 09:07, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:50 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: Like many others, Friday will be my last day employed by OLPC. I've enjoyed working on the project a lot, and hope to find some way to continue the work that has been begun. I'm very sorry to hear that. Will you be able to attend XOCamp2? The next release of Sugar appears to be left hanging, with no comment from management. I find this appalling. Did you really meant Sugar? Or OLPC? The next Sugar release is going onwards fine, thanks. http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release/Roadmap And when in a couple of weeks it gets into Ubuntu packages, I count on you to help us test it (hope you will have better luck this time). Regards, Tomeu Although I expect that the @laptop.org addresses will continue to work for some time, you should probably use csc...@cscott.net for future correspondence. I've enjoyed working with you all. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Desktop on XO
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:00 AM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: I'm very interested on this, as it would give us also for free a FUSE interface. Why I haven't pursued it yet is because the API for developing new gio backends is still private and our new backend would then need to live inside the gvfs gnome module or as a patch in every distro. Aside from having to periodically adapt to any API changes. See http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gvfs-list/2008-May/msg4.html That said, such a backend would be very simple, for the journal in Sugar 0.84. Hi Tomeu, I'd say write the simple backend and submit it upstream. Their interface sounds very much like every other interface in a computer, i.e. not quite done right in retrospect and always subject to change. Their mailing list only got a dozen messsages that month -- it's not evolving SO fast. Host the code in their gnome module and then it'll evolve along with the module and also go into each distro. My idea is that when an ordinary GUI program pops up an Open File dialog, if an OLPC Journal exists for that user, it will be one of the icons in the left column (like Desktop or File System or each mounted removable storage device). If Journal is already the default, or is selected, then the filename and type are pre-defaulted, though the user can override them by typing. Even on a sugarized OLPC, people are going to neet to touch files that have real names in the real filesystem (e.g. Python source code, config files, even new firmware downloads) as well as Journal entries, so they'll need ways to pick things OTHER than the Journal, too. This design would also let people try out the Journal concept, just by apt-get install olpc-journal and starting it up. Then by picking Journal in the file dialog or file browser, it will arrange the files that they save or read, by date of access in one big glob, with tags or whatever, rather than making them pick hierarchical names. This would all happen modularly, without installing the Sugar GUI. (It would only be interfaced to Sugar and Gnome, but maybe other desktops would get the hint.) This would also be a really cheap way to browse USB keys, etc. Open two Gnome file browsers (one hierarchical in USB key; the other in Journal) and drag things back and forth. The code's already there, it just lacks this one interface. John, I don't know if you ever saw: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal,_reloaded Given the massive disruption to the status quo, I'm not sure that I would attempt to argue for one approach over the other; just noting that there is an alternative. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Desktop on XO
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 09:21, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:00 AM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: I'm very interested on this, as it would give us also for free a FUSE interface. Why I haven't pursued it yet is because the API for developing new gio backends is still private and our new backend would then need to live inside the gvfs gnome module or as a patch in every distro. Aside from having to periodically adapt to any API changes. See http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gvfs-list/2008-May/msg4.html That said, such a backend would be very simple, for the journal in Sugar 0.84. Hi Tomeu, I'd say write the simple backend and submit it upstream. Their interface sounds very much like every other interface in a computer, i.e. not quite done right in retrospect and always subject to change. Their mailing list only got a dozen messsages that month -- it's not evolving SO fast. Host the code in their gnome module and then it'll evolve along with the module and also go into each distro. My idea is that when an ordinary GUI program pops up an Open File dialog, if an OLPC Journal exists for that user, it will be one of the icons in the left column (like Desktop or File System or each mounted removable storage device). If Journal is already the default, or is selected, then the filename and type are pre-defaulted, though the user can override them by typing. Even on a sugarized OLPC, people are going to neet to touch files that have real names in the real filesystem (e.g. Python source code, config files, even new firmware downloads) as well as Journal entries, so they'll need ways to pick things OTHER than the Journal, too. This design would also let people try out the Journal concept, just by apt-get install olpc-journal and starting it up. Then by picking Journal in the file dialog or file browser, it will arrange the files that they save or read, by date of access in one big glob, with tags or whatever, rather than making them pick hierarchical names. This would all happen modularly, without installing the Sugar GUI. (It would only be interfaced to Sugar and Gnome, but maybe other desktops would get the hint.) This would also be a really cheap way to browse USB keys, etc. Open two Gnome file browsers (one hierarchical in USB key; the other in Journal) and drag things back and forth. The code's already there, it just lacks this one interface. John, I don't know if you ever saw: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal,_reloaded Given the massive disruption to the status quo, I'm not sure that I would attempt to argue for one approach over the other; just noting that there is an alternative. For the record, I think that Scott's approach is the best if it can be put to work. If I'm working on something else is because we need to ship something better than what we had and didn't saw so clear how we could do it given the resources we have and all the open questions that there are. Regards, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2621
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2621 Changes in build 2621 from build: 2620 Size delta: 0.00M -cerebro 3.0.2-1.olpc3 +cerebro 3.0.3-1.olpc3 --- Changes for cerebro 3.0.3-1.olpc3 from 3.0.2-1.olpc3 --- + 3.0.3: Minor fixes and cleanup in interface.py -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2622
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2622 Changes in build 2622 from build: 2621 Size delta: 0.00M -bootfw q2e25-1.olpc2.unsigned +bootfw q2e27-1.olpc2.unsigned --- Changes for bootfw q2e27-1.olpc2.unsigned from q2e25-1.olpc2.unsigned --- + Fixed problems with lid switch handling and kbd/mouse during Windows resume + OLPC trac 9179 - fixed Divide Error in scan-nand examination phase. + OLPC trac 9178 - fixed test-all crash when invoking pen-tablet function in touchpad test. + Fixed a problem in the suspend/resume code that affected restoration of SD registers -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
status of OLPC project
Hi everyone, I have not been able to work on anything new for OLPC for the past four months, given my heavy teaching schedule. However, now I am just about to go on research leave and one of my goals was to do some work on the music/sound side of things for the XO. So I am now wondering whether 1) there is any work to do, and 2) who to liaise at OLPC, since things seem to have changed dramatically, particularly with Jim Gettys leaving. In other words, it would be useful to get a who's who for the project. Also, what bits are going to be moved out to sugarlabs (so I wonder if they are the ones to work for now, as far as audio development is concerned). I am very sorry for all those leaving and wish all the best for their future. Thanks Victor Lazzarini Music Technology Laboratory Music Department National University of Ireland, Maynooth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Cerebro v3.0: File sharing and buddy management made easy!
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos ypo...@gmail.com wrote: Want to exchange files between your desktop and your XO laptop? It can't get any easier! In the latest version of Cerebro (currently 3.0.3) you will find simplified file sharing and buddy management. Just click on the buddy you want to send a file to and select a file to send! Screenshots are here: http://cerebro.mit.edu/index.php/Documentation#Example_GUI If you are a developer, there is detailed tutorial to do file sharing from Python prompt (!) here: http://cerebro.mit.edu/index.php/Documentation#Buddy_management Wow - this looks cool :) Is this a blessed dependency for Sugar 0.84 ? Also, are there any Sugar activities which is already using this ? Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Desktop on XO
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: For the evince vs sugar-evince I suspect we need to try and get the mainline evince split out into evince and evince-libs so that we can build sugar-evince against it similar to what we do with abiword and write (I think that's its name). Yep, sounds good. When I get a sec I'll look at what's required and file a RH bug for evince to see if we can't get the package split up. BTW where does the current sugar-evince srpm live? In koji. Here is the diff against the corresponding evince version: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/dsd/sugar-evince;a=commitdiff;h=d9b354a9318b6a99fa7ae185495b94431ab142c9 There are some changes to the core evince source which means that it will be more than just splitting up the F10 evince package. But that will certainly be a step in the right direction. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of OLPC project
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Lazzarini wrote: Hi everyone, I have not been able to work on anything new for OLPC for the past four months, given my heavy teaching schedule. However, now I am just about to go on research leave and one of my goals was to do some work on the music/sound side of things for the XO. So I am now wondering whether 1) there is any work to do, and 2) who to liaise at OLPC, since things seem to have changed dramatically, particularly with Jim Gettys leaving. In other words, it would be useful to get a who's who for the project. Also, what bits are going to be moved out to sugarlabs (so I wonder if they are the ones to work for now, as far as audio development is concerned). 1) There is lots of work to do. There are 500,000 XO users and rising, virtually all of whom run Sugar. They need and want updates and new functionality for learning. They don't care about where this happens in some corporate shell game. Sugar Labs is also expanding Sugar onto non-XO computers. We are growing. 2) I can't help with this. Regarding with whom to work: I would definitely place audio development under the Sugar Labs umbrella, unless the work in question is somehow specific to the XO hardware. For you, working on music, I think the place to be is Sugar Labs. The people to talk to are Walter, Tomeu, and anyone else on the sugar mailing list, which is now sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org I'm excited to have you back in the project. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklnZRsACgkQUJT6e6HFtqSldgCdFi308zS0WFozkwcVEAUMYYxY uzoAoJ8EcF6SZQnBDMpgc4+VL9Ig2OtZ =lnvp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of OLPC project
Thanks. Walter has kindly replied to me already, so it looks like sugar labs is my destination. Hope to be able to clear up all my marking by the end of next week and by then I think will also know where I actually fit into this new scheme of things. I'm happy to be back. Regards Victor At 14:54 09/01/2009, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Lazzarini wrote: Hi everyone, I have not been able to work on anything new for OLPC for the past four months, given my heavy teaching schedule. However, now I am just about to go on research leave and one of my goals was to do some work on the music/sound side of things for the XO. So I am now wondering whether 1) there is any work to do, and 2) who to liaise at OLPC, since things seem to have changed dramatically, particularly with Jim Gettys leaving. In other words, it would be useful to get a who's who for the project. Also, what bits are going to be moved out to sugarlabs (so I wonder if they are the ones to work for now, as far as audio development is concerned). 1) There is lots of work to do. There are 500,000 XO users and rising, virtually all of whom run Sugar. They need and want updates and new functionality for learning. They don't care about where this happens in some corporate shell game. Sugar Labs is also expanding Sugar onto non-XO computers. We are growing. 2) I can't help with this. Regarding with whom to work: I would definitely place audio development under the Sugar Labs umbrella, unless the work in question is somehow specific to the XO hardware. For you, working on music, I think the place to be is Sugar Labs. The people to talk to are Walter, Tomeu, and anyone else on the sugar mailing list, which is now sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org I'm excited to have you back in the project. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklnZRsACgkQUJT6e6HFtqSldgCdFi308zS0WFozkwcVEAUMYYxY uzoAoJ8EcF6SZQnBDMpgc4+VL9Ig2OtZ =lnvp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Victor Lazzarini Music Technology Laboratory Music Department National University of Ireland, Maynooth ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Leaving
tomeu wrote: On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 09:07, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:50 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: Like many others, Friday will be my last day employed by OLPC. I've enjoyed working on the project a lot, and hope to find some way to continue the work that has been begun. I'm very sorry to hear that. Will you be able to attend XOCamp2? The next release of Sugar appears to be left hanging, with no comment from management. I find this appalling. Did you really meant Sugar? Or OLPC? the official announcement did a disservice by repeating the conflation of the terms sugar and XO release. they're obviously quite related, but it's really the latter that i suspect edward was referring to. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of OLPC project
Victor - Thanks! I agree with Ben that connecting with the Sugar Labs community is the right start and an excellent focus. If you do need to have XO-specific conversations as well, I would be happy to be the contact person to do that. - Ed On Jan 9, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Lazzarini wrote: Hi everyone, I have not been able to work on anything new for OLPC for the past four months, given my heavy teaching schedule. However, now I am just about to go on research leave and one of my goals was to do some work on the music/ sound side of things for the XO. So I am now wondering whether 1) there is any work to do, and 2) who to liaise at OLPC, since things seem to have changed dramatically, particularly with Jim Gettys leaving. In other words, it would be useful to get a who's who for the project. Also, what bits are going to be moved out to sugarlabs (so I wonder if they are the ones to work for now, as far as audio development is concerned). 1) There is lots of work to do. There are 500,000 XO users and rising, virtually all of whom run Sugar. They need and want updates and new functionality for learning. They don't care about where this happens in some corporate shell game. Sugar Labs is also expanding Sugar onto non-XO computers. We are growing. 2) I can't help with this. Regarding with whom to work: I would definitely place audio development under the Sugar Labs umbrella, unless the work in question is somehow specific to the XO hardware. For you, working on music, I think the place to be is Sugar Labs. The people to talk to are Walter, Tomeu, and anyone else on the sugar mailing list, which is now sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org I'm excited to have you back in the project. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklnZRsACgkQUJT6e6HFtqSldgCdFi308zS0WFozkwcVEAUMYYxY uzoAoJ8EcF6SZQnBDMpgc4+VL9Ig2OtZ =lnvp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora Desktop on XO
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 09:21, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:00 AM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: I'm very interested on this, as it would give us also for free a FUSE interface. Why I haven't pursued it yet is because the API for developing new gio backends is still private and our new backend would then need to live inside the gvfs gnome module or as a patch in every distro. Aside from having to periodically adapt to any API changes. See http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gvfs-list/2008-May/msg4.html That said, such a backend would be very simple, for the journal in Sugar 0.84. Hi Tomeu, I'd say write the simple backend and submit it upstream. Their interface sounds very much like every other interface in a computer, i.e. not quite done right in retrospect and always subject to change. Their mailing list only got a dozen messsages that month -- it's not evolving SO fast. Host the code in their gnome module and then it'll evolve along with the module and also go into each distro. My idea is that when an ordinary GUI program pops up an Open File dialog, if an OLPC Journal exists for that user, it will be one of the icons in the left column (like Desktop or File System or each mounted removable storage device). If Journal is already the default, or is selected, then the filename and type are pre-defaulted, though the user can override them by typing. Even on a sugarized OLPC, people are going to neet to touch files that have real names in the real filesystem (e.g. Python source code, config files, even new firmware downloads) as well as Journal entries, so they'll need ways to pick things OTHER than the Journal, too. This design would also let people try out the Journal concept, just by apt-get install olpc-journal and starting it up. Then by picking Journal in the file dialog or file browser, it will arrange the files that they save or read, by date of access in one big glob, with tags or whatever, rather than making them pick hierarchical names. This would all happen modularly, without installing the Sugar GUI. (It would only be interfaced to Sugar and Gnome, but maybe other desktops would get the hint.) This would also be a really cheap way to browse USB keys, etc. Open two Gnome file browsers (one hierarchical in USB key; the other in Journal) and drag things back and forth. The code's already there, it just lacks this one interface. John, I don't know if you ever saw: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal,_reloaded Given the massive disruption to the status quo, I'm not sure that I would attempt to argue for one approach over the other; just noting that there is an alternative. For the record, I think that Scott's approach is the best if it can be put to work. I agree. From a user experience point of view, I think something much closer in functionality to Scott's prototype would be a big step forward for the Journal. I never had the chance to make proper mockups of what it could ultimately look like in Sugar, but I hope to still have the opportunity to do that. - Eben If I'm working on something else is because we need to ship something better than what we had and didn't saw so clear how we could do it given the resources we have and all the open questions that there are. Regards, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of OLPC project
Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie writes: [...] In other words, it would be useful to get a who's who for the project. +1 -- Bastien ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: revisiting the 9.1 planning meeting : Friday, 3pm?
OK, we are on for 1500 Eastern today / 2000 UTC in #olpc-meeting for the weekly 9.1 roadmap discussion. For those on devel, sorry for the short notice; I mistakenly sent this only to tech-team yesterday. Please bring agenda points you want to raise about 9.1 planning (including a maximum of 3 minutes devoted to a discussion about changing the name, which seems to derail many such recent conversations. so if you feel strongly about that, you consider expressing your opinion and reasoning in writing, in advance.) SJ On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Mel Chua m...@laptop.org wrote: (whoops, meant to send this to everyone, not just SJ.) Fine by me as well - I'll be coming from FUDCON, can someone please remind me? I'll keep #olpc-meeting open, likely head back to the office at that time. --Mel Samuel Klein wrote: Hi, I was talking with cjb about having a short version of the weekly 9.1 planning meeitng to discuss how OLPC's changes affect the roadmap, what the process might be for a country hoping to upgrade to 0.84, and generally how to best facilitate the creation of the next stable release of Sugar for the XO. mstone has thought about this more than anyone under the scenario where there is a distributed base of contributors that independently would have a hard time producing a full release... I would also like to reorganize Monday's schedule so that half of the day - the afternoon? - is given over entirely to this subject. What do people think about having a 3-4 discussion about this in #olpc-meeting, including how to raise these issues over the weekend and at XOCamp next week? Some of us heading to FUDCon will also be coming back to 1CC at the end of the afternoon, so it would be nice to be done by 4pm. SJ Greg Smith wrote: 10 minutes - XO Camp status. Assign more people to help present. 25 minutes - 9.1.0 feature status. Briefly review next steps on the top four areas: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0_requirements#Top_Priority 15 minutes - 9.1.0 bug scrub plan. Pick start date and times for intensive bug scrub. 10 minutes - set action items and agenda for next week ___ Techteam mailing list techt...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/techteam ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
OLPC Downsizing on Slashdot
Hi guys. Thought you guys might want to give this a read. Given OLPC's politics and history, there's a lot of harsh words being thrown around and quite a number of stuff need to be taken with a grain of salt, but there are many insightful comments and some very good ideas on how to drive the project forward and keep the ball rolling. There are good lessons to be learnt here. OLPC Downsizes Half of Its Staff, Cuts Sugar http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/07/2212256 You guys may want to contribute to the thread, even just to share stories, and more importantly and give the world a better insight and stop some of the FUD that's been going on. All the best, -Naz -- Carlos Nazareno http://twitter.com/naz404 http://www.object404.com -- interactive media specialist zen graffiti studios http://www.zengraffiti.com -- User Group Manager Phlashers: Philippine Flash ActionScripters Adobe Flash/Flex User Group http://www.phlashers.com -- if you don't like the way the world is running, then change it instead of just complaining. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of OLPC project
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie writes: [...] In other words, it would be useful to get a who's who for the project. +1 Please have some consideration for the recently unemployed. Not everyone wants this fact announced to the world, and Ed would certainly be out of place as manager if he were to do so preemptively. I don't know, but there may even be contractors or others who OLPC management has not been able to get in touch with, who don't yet know their job status. Please be patient. I expect those who are comfortable announcing their employment status will do so, here or in some other appropriate venue. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Henry Edward Hardy sysadmin final report
*This will be my final weekly report as OLPC sysadmin, at least for now.* Total OLPC RT sysadmin tickets for all time: 1850 current status: new: 13 open: 155 rejected: 181 resolved: 1501 stalled: 0 RT sysadmin tickets resolved by HH since Feb 1, 2008: 1186 Not owned by, but resolved by HH: 176 Total resolved tickets by HH: 1362 of 1501 Percentage of all OLPC resolved RT sysadmin tickets for all time which were resolved by HH: 90.07% Emails to he...@laptop.org: 24,714 OLPC-related emails sent: 1,829 Developer accounts maintained: 330 Email aliases maintained: 715 Mailing lists maintained: 129 Unique web visitors per month, December 2008: 316,144 Wiki.laptop.org pages: 25,747 HH wiki.l.o edits: more than 500 Total wiki.l.o page views for all time: 33,370,841 Total wiki.l.o edits for all time: 192,533 Internal wiki pages: 866 HH internal wiki edits: more than 500 crank.laptop.org current uptime: 83 days, 20:19 pedal.laptop.org current uptime: 58 days, 18:55 solar.laptop.org current uptime: 260 days, 20:31 printers maintained: 5 phones maintained: about 30 servers maintained: 20 desktops maintained: 30 laptops maintained: 25 Mean discount negotiated with vendors: 18% Terabytes of storage maintained: more than 40 (40,000,000,000,000 bytes) (compare with 30 TB online storage of the MIT Data Center Operations Team: http://web.mit.edu/is/dost/ ) Volunteer Infrastructure Groups founded: 1 *Working for OLPC: priceless* cheers, Henry -- Q: What's yellow, and equivalent to the Axiom of Choice? A: Zorn's Lemon. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of OLPC project
Victor Scott - Sorry - I made a comment about this on an earlier email, but I just realized that that message wasn't sent to the devel list. Scott's quite right. I firmly believe that whenever possible a layoff is handled with a face-to-face conversation with your manager. It isn't fun for either party, but you don't duck that job. Because of travel and other schedules, some folks didn't have those conversations until yesterday afternoon and I actually didn't have my very last one until this morning. No one wants to learn they've lost their job through a public mailing list. And in addition, some people would like the opportunity to communicate the news to their friends, family, and colleagues on their own terms rather than having me announce it for them. This week the people being laid off are my #1 priority, and I need to spend the time to make sure everyone else at OLPC does whatever we can to help. Next week I can help communicate things more broadly to the wider world. - Ed On Jan 9, 2009, at 1:10 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie writes: [...] In other words, it would be useful to get a who's who for the project. +1 Please have some consideration for the recently unemployed. Not everyone wants this fact announced to the world, and Ed would certainly be out of place as manager if he were to do so preemptively. I don't know, but there may even be contractors or others who OLPC management has not been able to get in touch with, who don't yet know their job status. Please be patient. I expect those who are comfortable announcing their employment status will do so, here or in some other appropriate venue. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of OLPC project
Well, I am sorry I did not know the situation, so that is why I asked. However, I did not ask about who was laid off, but just wanted to know who is taking care of what now. At some point, this will need to be divulged, I expect? Victor - Original Message - From: C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org To: Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: status of OLPC project On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Victor Lazzarini victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie writes: [...] In other words, it would be useful to get a who's who for the project. +1 Please have some consideration for the recently unemployed. Not everyone wants this fact announced to the world, and Ed would certainly be out of place as manager if he were to do so preemptively. I don't know, but there may even be contractors or others who OLPC management has not been able to get in touch with, who don't yet know their job status. Please be patient. I expect those who are comfortable announcing their employment status will do so, here or in some other appropriate venue. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of OLPC project
just wanted to know who is taking care of what now. that's fair enough, but it'll take some time to settle. Maybe post to de...@l.o and the sugar devel list and hope whomever is looking after component X to answer? cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
see ya'
like many others, today is my last day at OLPC. my short tenure here has been loads of fun, and it's been an honor to be close to the center of such a great project. i'll be around -- please stay in touch. to the extent i can, i'll be following the lists, and dropping in on irc once in a while. richard and i have agreed that since i've already tainted myself by working with the sooper seekrit EC firmware, and i'm still effectively under NDA, that there's no reason i shouldn't continue to be a resource for questions and help in that area, if anything should come up where richard's not around, or whatever. hope i can help out somehow. my home address is p...@laptop.org, but pgf (or paul) @laptop will continue to work for some time, i believe. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: see ya'
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:04 PM, p...@laptop.org wrote: like many others, today is my last day at OLPC. my short tenure here has been loads of fun, and it's been an honor to be close to the center of such a great project. i'll be around -- please stay in touch. to the extent i can, i'll be following the lists, and dropping in on irc once in a while. richard and i have agreed that since i've already tainted myself by working with the sooper seekrit EC firmware, and i'm still effectively under NDA, that there's no reason i shouldn't continue to be a resource for questions and help in that area, if anything should come up where richard's not around, or whatever. hope i can help out somehow. But it's the stuff you can't tell us that we want to know. ^_^ And Richard Stallman, too. my home address is p...@laptop.org, I believe you meant to say something different here. but pgf (or paul) @laptop will continue to work for some time, i believe. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: see ya'
oops jameson wrote: my home address is p...@laptop.org, but pgf (or paul) @laptop will continue to work for some time, i believe. I believe your fingers didn't type what your brain was thinking. yes, i meant to type p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us paul =- paul fox, p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 26.8 degrees) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: see ya'
my home address is p...@laptop.org, I believe you meant to say something different here. Freudian slip? ;) we all know where our hearts are at :) -Naz -- Carlos Nazareno http://twitter.com/naz404 http://www.object404.com -- interactive media specialist zen graffiti studios http://www.zengraffiti.com -- User Group Manager Phlashers: Philippine Flash ActionScripters Adobe Flash/Flex User Group http://www.phlashers.com -- if you don't like the way the world is running, then change it instead of just complaining. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of forks
Peter Robinson wrote: with the layoffs happening would it make sense to get a document listing what patches/forks are being maintained by OLPC. The best page is probably http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Distro_version_migration_nastiness any other pages should be in [[Category:Build system]] and maybe [[Category:Linux distributions]], please link them from the first one. -- =S P.S. Thanks and commiserations to everyone getting laid off. Is there any truth to the rumor that OLPC is also laying off half the volunteers on this awesome set of endeavors? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Cerebro v3.0: File sharing and buddy management made easy!
Want to exchange files between your desktop and your XO laptop? It can't get any easier! In the latest version of Cerebro (currently 3.0.3) you will find simplified file sharing and buddy management. Just click on the buddy you want to send a file to and select a file to send! Screenshots are here: http://cerebro.mit.edu/index.php/Documentation#Example_GUI If you are a developer, there is detailed tutorial to do file sharing from Python prompt (!) here: http://cerebro.mit.edu/index.php/Documentation#Buddy_management Enjoy Pol -- Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos Graduate student Viral Communications MIT Media Lab Tel: +1 (617) 459-6058 http://www.mit.edu/~ypod/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
goodbye olpc
Like many who have been involved in software and support, my contract with OLPC terminates this afternoon. My tenure as a software engineer was relatively short, but wonderful. To all at OLPC: it has been a pleasure working with you. I have learned much. I have had wonderful experiences and met the most incredible and interesting people. I will miss spending my days and evenings with you. To those in the community and in deployments: I will do anything I can to help. In the short term I am available to travel and assist with any deployment capable of offering me food and lodging. I hope that I can continue to assist until such time as a sustainable model for the deployment of these laptops is clarified. In the long term, I hope that a group of us can establish a sustainable consultancy or community organization to assist with the hard work of substantiating the idealistic image which OLPC has and hopefully will continue to push onto the world. I hope that this is a topic of discussion at the upcoming XOCamp. Good luck, and best wishes, Erik ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of forks
There's a discussion going on right now at FUDCon with gregdek and cjb running down the 20 or so forked packages and smoothing out how to merge them back in. So there should be helpful updates soon. SJ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Subscribe to the OLPC NZ testing distribution list
Hello To keep up to date with what the New Zealand OLPC volunteers are doing, subscribe to olpc...@lists.laptop.org by going to http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz Now this list is set up I will drop the previous method of emailing out to individuals for these mass updates. Have a great weekend. Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of forks
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote: There's a discussion going on right now at FUDCon with gregdek and cjb running down the 20 or so forked packages and smoothing out how to merge them back in. So there should be helpful updates soon. Don't forget that we have not yet forked F10 to the extent that we did F9 to get rid of perl, libgnome, etc. But get rid of those 20 and we'll be well on our way :) Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Farewell.
Like many of my esteemed colleagues, I am parting ways with OLPC. I will treasure the memory of our collective adventure... ...while naturally looking forward to new opportunities: professional, educational, and otherwise. Michael P.S. - (Anyone else wondering what happened to their social life over the last year? ;) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Leaving soon
Dear all, I am also sad to be leaving the project. It's been a true honor to work in such a great project and with such a great team. For those who are leaving I reinforce the best of luck votes. For those who are staying I say the same and also ask that you don't be disheartened. We're all sad these days. These are hard times, but they too will pass and OLPC must endure and look into the future. Its mission is too important. The success of OLPC goes far beyond that awesome 500 thousand XOs (and counting) in the hands of kids. It is reinforcing the very idea that we should care for the education of children, that they are important and deserve the best, that is truly invaluable. We hope differently, but even if they get a commercial laptop running a proprietary operating system they will benefit and this will be, at least in part, due to the job that OLPC started and how it changed the economics in that market no one was paying attention to. So, please, keep up with the good work, more kids are waiting for their green little laptops! It was never an easy job, anyway. :-) I started as a volunteer, and intend to keep helping if I can, again as a volunteer. In my last days as a contractor I intend to revise the documentation in the wiki that relate to wireless (there is a lot there already, just needing some better linking). My original planning for January was to finish the tx power tests (just reported what was found in #9187) and test the scalability of the XO as an acess point set up. I am also coordinating tests to better understand and adapt to dense wireless scenarios like the one in classrooms, when tens of XOs are connected to access points. This is not a short term task and I intend to continue with that and with the training of students that will help run the tests and interpret the results at UFF (Brazil). But of course, this agenda may change in the face of other, more urgent needs. So, just let me know how can I help now and in the future. My best regards, Ricardo Carrano ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Testing summary - 10 January 2009
Hello Thanks to Ian Thomson for coming along and talking to everyone about Oceania deployments. There were lots of fantastic talks today with a diverse group of people present. We are hoping to hear some kiwi's could be volunteering in the Pacific Islands over the next few months - fingers crossed funds can be found. Who came: Carl, Ian, Edward, Murray, Brenda, Callum, Uli, Jonathan, Kaleb, Joshhua, Aida, Tabitha, Aaron, Douglas, Queenie Food Force II Tested on 5 XOS, concept awesome and appropriate for developing countries (keep working on it please), takes a long time to load - uses a lot of processing power so runs real slow, shares in neighbourbood view but does not collaborate. Usability - ignoring slowness, the edges of the screen are designed to move the user view of the village but the selection buttons at the bottom of the screen are within the scroll trigger zone so when trying to select it is scrolling. Would be good if there was a where you are now indicator on the map (for when you have scrolled away from the village). Query - would speed increase if run from school server rather than local? We are extremely excited about this activity and look forward to seeing this improve. Chat Today we had bonjour chat on Ubuntu (pidgin on 8.10 and 8.4) talking to the XOs without issue. Intiating a chat from Ubuntu to the XOs would pop up a chat icon, which clicking on would start a Chat application. However, a OS X macbook with (using ichat bonjour) could see the XO's, but would return the error message Instant Message connection failed. The other person's computer may not be reachable. Also, there is no way for an XO to initiate a chat, or see non-XO computers using the bonjour chat protocol. Plans for next couple of weeks - Next Saturday 17 January - learn how to pull apart your XO and put it back together (thanks Callum, our resident expert in XO repairs) - at The Cross Tuesday 27 January - meet Walter Bender, SugarLabs founder - further details to come but can say it will be at Catalyst offices in Willis Street One day soon - update from Andrew McMillan on OLPC presentations at Linux Conference (February?) One day soon - Martin Langhoff update on School server and python for sugar programming sessions (February?) Feel free to invite others. To keep up to date with what the New Zealand OLPC volunteers are doing, subscribe to olpc...@lists.laptop.org by going to http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-nz Have a fantastic week! Kind regards Tabitha Roder (64)21482229 Support OLPC G1G1 - laptop.org/xo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
So long and thanks for all the fish
Folks, I'm psyched to be (re)joining the community as a volunteer once more - after all, I've been an employee for 3.8 months and a community member for... running over 2 years now. This isn't an ending, just another step - and I for one welcome our new overlor^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H I mean, I'm looking forward to it. I'll continue to manage 8.2.1 testing as a volunteer, among other things - see the scoop on how QA is moving forward as an all-community entity at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Community_testing_meetings/2009-01-08. I may make an appearance around Australia (http://linux.conf.au/) and Oceania in general (hello, Welly testers!) and... oh, maybe other places. It's a big world out there. Now - I've got a bunch of embedded/signal processing/sociology/engineering-education books that have been calling my name for ages... and a piano that I have ignored for years. (Ideas on other fun things to do next are welcomed!) Thank you for all your help, support, teaching, ideas, tolerance, enthusiasm, critiques, inspiration and just plain ol' companionship along this crazy ride. It's been good - and will continue to be good. Sweet. Cheers, then - I'll be seeing you folks around. --Mel (mel at melchua dot com, if needed, but @laptop will still work.) PS: Michael, what's a social-life? We don't seem to include that in our packages (http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride/2622)... ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Cerebro v3.0: File sharing and buddy management made easy!
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos y...@mit.edu wrote: Want to exchange files between your desktop and your XO laptop? It can't get any easier! In the latest version of Cerebro (currently 3.0.3) you will find simplified file sharing and buddy management. Just click on the buddy you want to send a file to and select a file to send! Screenshots are here: http://cerebro.mit.edu/index.php/Documentation#Example_GUI If you are a developer, there is detailed tutorial to do file sharing from Python prompt (!) here: http://cerebro.mit.edu/index.php/Documentation#Buddy_management Enjoy Pol This sounds great, can't wait to play :) Bobby ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: automatic reminder of 'software update' when installing a new build
Mikus Grinbergs wrote: I have seen the wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 page list Activity versions that were *older* than those listed for plain G1G1. That's exactly as it is supposed to work. G1G1 lists dev versions, G1G1/8.2 the stable versions tested with 8.2. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_updater#Activity_groups explains: the unsuffixed version of the group URL will always contain the latest versions of the activities for the very latest build. I improved and added language to [[Activities/G1G1]], [[Activities/G1G1/8.2]], [[Activities/Joyride]] pages. I also removed lies like They are part of the [[G1G1 activity pack]]. Is there an explanation for activity developers anywhere of the convoluted process of creating or updating fragments, the semantic form, and the OBX badge when you release a new activity version?? Somehow some people know how to do it and I have a dream to reduce the overlap. FYI, here are the only differences between [[Activities/G1G1/8.2]] and [[Activities/G1G1]]. AIUI a bigger version number doesn't necessarily mean that version is for a more recent build. Browse (8.2) (v.98) Browse (latest) (v.102) Read (8.2) (v.52) Read (latest) (v.61) Record (8.2) (v.59) Record (latest) (v.60) Chat (8.2) (v.48) Chat (latest) (v.60) Etoys (8.2) (v.94) Etoys (latest) (v.96) Terminal (8.2) (v.18) Terminal (latest) (v.19) All other activities are Activity Name (latest) (v.NN) for both, presumably because they haven't forked yet. All the content collections are the same in both, though they are misleadingly described Collection Name (8.2). Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2623
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2623 Changes in build 2623 from build: 2622 Size delta: 0.00M -cerebro 3.0.3-1.olpc3 +cerebro 3.0.4-1.olpc3 --- Changes for cerebro 3.0.4-1.olpc3 from 3.0.3-1.olpc3 --- + 3.0.4: Fixed missing net_engine module, fixed command-line options, error -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
