Re: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:45:32AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: [adding IAEP to cc] On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:09, Bastienbastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Joshua Eddy joshuage...@gmail.com writes: This is what Sugar Labs DC wants to bring to the table. For a more detailed description of this idea, please visit my blog: http://joshstechjournal.blogspot.com/ Nice idea! Thanks for sharing it. I presume ideally the config options would offer a website to publish to, along with the Jabber service. I love the idea of having a site for children to share their work, I think this is going to be really big hit for Sugar. Congratulations on taking this task. We have been already discussing this in #sugar during the last week with Jeff and Aleksey and several good ideas were shared, will be nice to put all our thoughts in common when we get to more detail. Everyone is welcome to formalize thoughts on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Server_Objects_Sharing A somewhat minor concern I have with your proposal is that I'm not sure that just one global server will be enough for everybody. What about areas with local network but none or little internet access? If on the other hand deployments can set their own server as Bastien suggests, how would a child upload to the global one when connection conditions improve? But global server doesn't except local servers think about www.flickr.com - its global option but every community could have local servers. One could imagine that the control panel would allow to set a list of servers and the Publish menu item becomes a submenu where you can select the server to upload to, but things get complicated fast with maybe not too much value. What I would propose instead, based on my experience, is to start by the very basics and build on that after getting some feedback from actual users. I see how a publish menu item in the activity palette or the journal makes it easier than having to go to a specific site in Browse, but if you restrict the modifications at first to Browse, then you can install your new activity version on any existing Sugar version. btw, why just not using Browse, we already do this in case of ASLO is there real need to add additional complexity to sugar UI at least we could start using Browse, get feedback and add new features to 0.88(if its necessary). -- Aleksey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:31, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:45:32AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: [adding IAEP to cc] On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:09, Bastienbastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Joshua Eddy joshuage...@gmail.com writes: This is what Sugar Labs DC wants to bring to the table. For a more detailed description of this idea, please visit my blog: http://joshstechjournal.blogspot.com/ Nice idea! Thanks for sharing it. I presume ideally the config options would offer a website to publish to, along with the Jabber service. I love the idea of having a site for children to share their work, I think this is going to be really big hit for Sugar. Congratulations on taking this task. We have been already discussing this in #sugar during the last week with Jeff and Aleksey and several good ideas were shared, will be nice to put all our thoughts in common when we get to more detail. Everyone is welcome to formalize thoughts on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Server_Objects_Sharing A somewhat minor concern I have with your proposal is that I'm not sure that just one global server will be enough for everybody. What about areas with local network but none or little internet access? If on the other hand deployments can set their own server as Bastien suggests, how would a child upload to the global one when connection conditions improve? But global server doesn't except local servers think about www.flickr.com - its global option but every community could have local servers. One could imagine that the control panel would allow to set a list of servers and the Publish menu item becomes a submenu where you can select the server to upload to, but things get complicated fast with maybe not too much value. What I would propose instead, based on my experience, is to start by the very basics and build on that after getting some feedback from actual users. I see how a publish menu item in the activity palette or the journal makes it easier than having to go to a specific site in Browse, but if you restrict the modifications at first to Browse, then you can install your new activity version on any existing Sugar version. btw, why just not using Browse, we already do this in case of ASLO is there real need to add additional complexity to sugar UI at least we could start using Browse, get feedback and add new features to 0.88(if its necessary). That's what I was trying to explain ;) Though I do see some value in jumping over the step of opening browse and navigating to a specific site, just think that from the deployment side of things this could be better done in a future step. Josh, I think your blog has very interesting stuff about your work in Sugar, would you like to have it syndicated in http://planet.sugarlabs.org ? http://joshstechjournal.blogspot.com/ Thanks, Tomeu -- Aleksey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Need some space
Hi all, I've been in discussions with Daniel Drake about taking over the builds for F11/Sugar for the XO-1. I will be working to backport the work done in the XO-1.5 branch to the XO-1. Due to space limitations on my FedoraPeople account I need some place to host the images. Can I get an account at laptop.org to host these? Steven M. Parrish - gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora-olpc, #sugar ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Need some space
Hi Steven, Hi all, I've been in discussions with Daniel Drake about taking over the builds for F11/Sugar for the XO-1. I will be working to backport the work done in the XO-1.5 branch to the XO-1. Due to space limitations on my FedoraPeople account I need some place to host the images. Can I get an account at laptop.org to host these? Sure; send me a public key and I'll make you a dev.laptop.org account. (I think we can find somewhere to run the builds, too, but that'll take a little longer to put together.) Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Need some space
Hi Chris, Hi all, I've been in discussions with Daniel Drake about taking over the builds for F11/Sugar for the XO-1. I will be working to backport the work done in the XO-1.5 branch to the XO-1. Due to space limitations on my FedoraPeople account I need some place to host the images. Can I get an account at laptop.org to host these? Sure; send me a public key and I'll make you a dev.laptop.org account. (I think we can find somewhere to run the builds, too, but that'll take a little longer to put together.) Is there a reason why we can't have a single image? AFAICT there's a couple of extra kernel modules and an extra xserver package and most of the rest of it should be the same between the XO-1 and XO-1.5. Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: new F11-for-XO1 images available for testing
2009/7/25 Adric Net ad...@adric.net: We (OLPC folks, me) are still trying to find a spot to host the build machine for this so that we can do continuous or daily automated builds for testing. I know it's jumping ahead a bit, but is this (for xo1 or 1.5) going to be updatable with yum? You can use yum to update packages from Fedora, as has always been true with OLPC releases. Leaving aside the utility of yum updates for XO in general ... for testing these builds it will be much more possible for testers to pull some updated rpms every day or week than pull 300MiB images and overwrite our device memory every day/week. Especially for the wonderful people in distant lands with slow and unreliable lines. The images come with olpc-update and the initramfs is ready to boot our special versioned layout filesystem (like 8.2 and previous). However the code to generate the images as the versioned layout is currently disabled because it exposed a bug in OFWs ext2 code. For XO-1 this should be no problem. Perhaps one of the first tasks of our new buildmasters could be to enable and test this. Then the only missing step is to generate output accordingly so that people can run olpc-update to receive updates. In summary, this is not changing from the way that OLPC has previously done things, but we're a couple of small steps away from having the update system fully functional. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] new F11-for-XO1 images available for testing
The images come with olpc-update and the initramfs is ready to boot our special versioned layout filesystem (like 8.2 and previous). However the code to generate the images as the versioned layout is currently disabled because it exposed a bug in OFWs ext2 code. That bug is fixed in q3a06, which I released yesterday. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Need some space
2009/7/25 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com: Is there a reason why we can't have a single image? AFAICT there's a couple of extra kernel modules and an extra xserver package and most of the rest of it should be the same between the XO-1 and XO-1.5. There are too many differences. We do not have a binary kernel that boots on both laptops (although they share the same source tree so that is some progress), the firmware is different and incompatible, the disks are different sizes, and most significantly the disk access is different: XO-1 has raw flash access so there are only a couple of sensible filesystem options (we use JFFS2), and XO-1.5 sees the disk as an ATA device so we have to use ext2 or similar. That said, overall those differences only lead to a small set of changes within the build system, hence my push for community build efforts. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Need some space
Hi, Is there a reason why we can't have a single image? AFAICT there's a couple of extra kernel modules and an extra xserver package and most of the rest of it should be the same between the XO-1 and XO-1.5. Several reasons: * The XO-1 NAND requires jffs2 to be used, and the XO-1.5 has different storage hardware and is probably going to use ext[24]. So, it would not be possible to share a single image file, although you could share a single build tree. * We're going to use much more space (i.e. install more packages) for the 4GB XO-1.5 image. * The machines need to boot different kernels, as they run on different subarchitectures. However, we can imagine an olpc.fth script that works out which model it's running on and loads an appropriately-named kernel, and then having both kernels in the image. I don't think there's anything else in the way that can't be worked around like this, but I might be wrong. So, I think you could have a minimal (in terms of disk space) build tree that worked on both machines, but that people running XO-1.5 would probably not prefer it to their native image, because they'd rather use the larger image instead. As a result, I don't see that we're gaining much from sharing a build tree, so I'm not strongly convinced that there's merit in doing more than just keeping the kickstart files close to each other. (But if someone else wants to set something like this up, I won't argue against it.) Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] new F11-for-XO1 images available for testing
The images come with olpc-update and the initramfs is ready to boot our special versioned layout filesystem (like 8.2 and previous). However the code to generate the images as the versioned layout is currently disabled because it exposed a bug in OFWs ext2 code. That bug is fixed in q3a06, which I released yesterday. I thought q3 OFW was meant only for XO-1.5 (and would brick XO-1). Is it true that XO-1 users should __not__ apply q3a.. (and might not even need q3a06) ? mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Need some space
Steven - While Chris sets you up on dev.laptop.org for space I'm working on a new F11 build machine for this project and I'll let you know as soon as that's available. - Ed On Jul 25, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Steven M. Parrish wrote: Hi all, I've been in discussions with Daniel Drake about taking over the builds for F11/Sugar for the XO-1. I will be working to backport the work done in the XO-1.5 branch to the XO-1. Due to space limitations on my FedoraPeople account I need some place to host the images. Can I get an account at laptop.org to host these? Steven M. Parrish - gpg fingerprint: 4B6C 8357 059E B7ED 8095 0FD6 1F4B EDA0 A9A6 13C0 http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: SMParrish @ #fedora-kde, #fedora-devel, #fedora- olpc, #sugar ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] the first user is admin moodle policy
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 08:50:22PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: - add the /etc/moodle/coursecreators support so that - if it exists, even if empty, magic first come is CC is disabled - it reads /etc/moodle/coursecreators looking for matching SNs (one SN per line) I must be missing something really obvious. I upgraded to the latest stuff using the olpcxs-testing repo. I took an XO laptop and registered it with the schoolserver. This is the first laptop to register. I browsed to http://school/. I got the moodle login screen. Isn't there suppose to be some kind of autologin mechanism? I added the XO's serial number to /etc/moodle/coursecreators. I tried browsing to http://school/ again. I got the some moodle login screen. Can somebody give me a clue? ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] the first user is admin moodle policy
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Joshua N Pritikin jpriti...@pobox.comwrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 08:50:22PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: - add the /etc/moodle/coursecreators support so that - if it exists, even if empty, magic first come is CC is disabled - it reads /etc/moodle/coursecreators looking for matching SNs (one SN per line) I must be missing something really obvious. I upgraded to the latest stuff using the olpcxs-testing repo. I took an XO laptop and registered it with the schoolserver. This is the first laptop to register. I browsed to http://school/. I got the moodle login screen. Isn't there suppose to be some kind of autologin mechanism? I added the XO's serial number to /etc/moodle/coursecreators. I tried browsing to http://school/ again. I got the some moodle login screen. Can somebody give me a clue? ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel Make sure you update your Browse version to 102. This version has all the bits needed to do seamless login. Do this via the Control Panel | Software Update Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
