Re: possible progress on XO-1 camera issues
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 02:42, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 09:42:54PM -0300, Raul Gutierrez Segales wrote: Is it cheating to change the screen depth? I change it to 24 bpp and now cheese and totem work. Changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf: That's odd. We changed the screen depth quite a bit with XO-1.5 development, I wonder if those changes accidentally reached XO-1 development builds? (For XO-1.5 we needed the firmware, the kernel, and X to all agree on depth so that suspend and resume would work nicely). My best guess right now is that something that was able to return a 16bpp surface is failing to do so in F11, but is manifesting itself as absurd dimensions because the caller code is not checking for that specific failure. Regards, Tomeu -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
Hi All. 8-ghz processor ?. Rafael Ortiz On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75. Well, that's cool. Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. --Ben ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 14:57, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero dir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. 8-ghz processor ?. I guess it's better to rely on the info here, if you need to: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_viewnewsId=20091222005779newsLang=en Regards, Tomeu Rafael Ortiz On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75. Well, that's cool. Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. --Ben ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Ticket 8104
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 17:33, Cecilia Abalde caba...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: Hi, I have a question about the patch in ticket 8104. to which version of networkmanager was done? Hi Cecilia, I'm forwarding our email to the devel mailing list at OLPC because NetworkManager is a component that belongs to the distro, not to Sugar. In case of doubt, you are of course welcome to ask here again. Regards, Tomeu thank you regards Cecilia ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
Perhaps a 2GHz quad-core? ARM Cortex-A9 is already dual core and up to 2GHz. Best regards On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero dir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All. 8-ghz processor ?. Rafael Ortiz On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75. Well, that's cool. Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. --Ben ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Ticket 8104
OK! Thank you very much !!! 2009/12/23 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 17:33, Cecilia Abalde caba...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: Hi, I have a question about the patch in ticket 8104. to which version of networkmanager was done? Hi Cecilia, I'm forwarding our email to the devel mailing list at OLPC because NetworkManager is a component that belongs to the distro, not to Sugar. In case of doubt, you are of course welcome to ask here again. Regards, Tomeu thank you regards Cecilia ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75. Well, that's cool. Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. --Ben ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel More than anything I find this quote amusing: We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just need to threaten to build it. I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it, threaten to create content... :-) Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!! Sameer ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: possible progress on XO-1 camera issues
Hello Everybody, After hard debugging with Raul, we've realized that the problem was in the Geode driver. I've changed a line within the memory buffer, and it seems to work now. Looking forward to get feedback (please don't be evil, it's my first patch :-) http://oficina.paraguayeduca.org/~crodas/0045-Fixed-Out-of-memory-error-on-XO-1.patch Cheers On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 13:29 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 02:42, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 09:42:54PM -0300, Raul Gutierrez Segales wrote: Is it cheating to change the screen depth? I change it to 24 bpp and now cheese and totem work. Changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf: That's odd. We changed the screen depth quite a bit with XO-1.5 development, I wonder if those changes accidentally reached XO-1 development builds? (For XO-1.5 we needed the firmware, the kernel, and X to all agree on depth so that suspend and resume would work nicely). My best guess right now is that something that was able to return a 16bpp surface is failing to do so in F11, but is manifesting itself as absurd dimensions because the caller code is not checking for that specific failure. Regards, Tomeu -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of vaporware come into being.The limiting factor in bringing computing to the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the Internet. Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages without massive government help, not likely to come about where it is needed most. Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost, not on making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low cost tablet devices. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75. Well, that's cool. Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. --Ben ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel More than anything I find this quote amusing: We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just need to threaten to build it. I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it, threaten to create content... :-) Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!! Sameer ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: possible progress on XO-1 camera issues
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 14:28 -0300, César D. Rodas wrote: Hello Everybody, After hard debugging with Raul, we've realized that the problem was in the Geode driver. I've changed a line within the memory buffer, and it seems to work now. Looking forward to get feedback (please don't be evil, it's my first patch :-) http://oficina.paraguayeduca.org/~crodas/0045-Fixed-Out-of-memory-error-on-XO-1.patch Can you add an explanation? It doesn't look correct to me. Here's my understanding: The task of this function is to create a new offscreen memory allocation of a certain size. The function goes through the list of existing allocations, looking at each entry. It calculates how much free space there is inbetween one entry in the list, and the next one. If there is enough free space, the new allocation can be inserted at this point. Otherwise, we have to carry on iterating through the list. In that specific section of code, gap is computed, in 2 stages, to be the amount of bytes inbetween the list entry currently being examined and the next one. if (ptr-next == NULL) gap = pGeode-offscreenSize + pGeode-offscreenStart; else gap = ptr-next-offset; This is the first step. It is setting the gap variable to the absolute address where the next allocation starts. In the first branch, we have reached the end of the list, therefore our upper bound is the top of the offscreen memory. In the 2nd branch, there is a following member in the list, so our upper bound is the address of where that memory allocation starts. And the offset variable is always absolute, so this is the correct calculation for the upper bound. As the 2nd stage of the calclation, the lower bound is considered (the end of the allocation currently being examined) to produce a final value of gap that represents the number of bytes inbetween the 2 consecutive list entries: gap = gap - (ptr-offset + ptr-size); To me, everything looks correct before your patch. What am I missing? Thanks, Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
About near-zero connectivity cost, i came across the caua project http://www.projectcaua.org/ OLPC, and/or others could begin to support these kind of ideas. Rafael Ortiz On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.net wrote: My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of vaporware come into being. The limiting factor in bringing computing to the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the Internet. Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages without massive government help, not likely to come about where it is needed most. Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost, not on making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low cost tablet devices. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75. Well, that's cool. Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. --Ben ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel More than anything I find this quote amusing: We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just need to threaten to build it. I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it, threaten to create content... :-) Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!! Sameer ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.netwrote: My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of vaporware come into being.The limiting factor in bringing computing to the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the Internet. Lack of connectivity did not prevent the non-poor from getting computing. There was such a time when we didn't have Internet connectivity. It surely didn't stop us :-) Offline content and offline mirrors on local servers could very well fill in a large part of the gap. cheers, Sameer Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages without massive government help, not likely to come about where it is needed most. Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost, not on making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low cost tablet devices. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75. Well, that's cool. Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. --Ben ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel More than anything I find this quote amusing: We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just need to threaten to build it. I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it, threaten to create content... :-) Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!! Sameer ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, Sameer Verma wrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.netwrote: My personal experience tells me that it wouldn't help to have this piece of vaporware come into being.The limiting factor in bringing computing to the poor masses on this planet is the high cost of connecting them to the Internet. Lack of connectivity did not prevent the non-poor from getting computing. There was such a time when we didn't have Internet connectivity. It surely didn't stop us :-) Offline content and offline mirrors on local servers could very well fill in a large part of the gap. the old saying is 'never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with tapes' with current hard drives (1-2TB each), don't underestimate the bandwidth a a suitcase on a mule. when I last ordered drives in bulk I got 20 drives in a box ~6 x 12 x 18 packed for shipping. one round trip a week of 20x2TB drives is 554Mb/sec, or 69MB/sec. To simply transfering the data to/from the drives would require two drives reading continuously all the time at each end to read the data being received and two drives writing continuously to write the data being sent now, this isn't taking into account the horrible latency in this network connection ;-) but it means that if there is much of any transportation the data can be moved around to make it available. this won't work for interactive services, but it will work for e-mail, data requests, etc. now this is obviously overkill and beyond what is reasonable to try and implement for one data link in the wilderness, but this sort of thing is being done today, in first-world countries to move large scientific datasets around. 20 drives cost ~$4k, shipping them 2nd day will cost ~$200/shipment so shipping this 15 times in a month is ~$3k and result in ~2Gb/sec in bandwidth. you won't get 2Gb/sec in connectivity for this price (assuming that you can get it to your location in the first place) David Lang cheers, Sameer Even wireless service is beyond the reach of rural villages without massive government help, not likely to come about where it is needed most. Negroponte should now focus OLPC's attention on connectivity cost, not on making claims (which I doubt will come to fruition) about ultra low cost tablet devices. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75. Well, that's cool. Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. --Ben ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel More than anything I find this quote amusing: We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just need to threaten to build it. I suppose we could threaten to code the OS, threaten to support it, threaten to create content... :-) Hey, its Festivus. Air out the grievances!!! Sameer ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/22/tablet-computer-negroponte-technology-cio-network-olpc.html It aims to make its tablet PC highly durable, all plastic, waterproof, half the thickness of an iPhone and use less than a watt of power, despite an 8-gigaherz processor. The price: an unprecedented $75. Well, that's cool. Deciphering OLPC press releases sometimes feels like I'm playing chess with Picasso, and he keeps breaking the rules, and I can't tell whether this is some kind of art or he's just cheating. I would take it all with a large dose of salt. They are design drawings. To use a quote from Nicholas Negroponte that Engadget list in their article [1] Sure, if I were a commercial entity coming to you for investment, and I'd made the projections I had in the past, you wouldn't invest again, but we're not a commercial operation. If we only achieve half of what we're setting out to do, it could have very big consequences. so they are concept and could all go the way of the XO-2 between now and 2012. They look cool none the less and with the supposed launch of a tablet in Jan with a Pixel Qi screen may not be that far away. Peter [1] http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/22/olpc-shows-off-absurdly-thin-xo-3-concept-tablet-for-2012/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Ticket 8104
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 17:33, Cecilia Abalde caba...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: I have a question about the patch in ticket 8104. to which version of networkmanager was done? If you mean the C implementatiaon of nm-dhcp-client.action, this was a patch relative to NetworkManager 0.6.5 ... and the src.rpm is in Martin's directory: http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/public_rpms/8.2-papercuts/NetworkManager-0.6.5-0.14.svn3246.olpc3.src.rpm You're also welcome to ask this sort of question in the ticket itself. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial
We don't necessarily need to build it, Negroponte told Forbes. We just need to threaten to build it. Looks like Notion Ink has already done so, sort of: http://www.slashgear.com/notion-ink-tegra-android-smartpad-uses-pixel-qi-display-1866308/ The OS is proprietary (android), it would probably fail it you dropped it in a puddle and it has too many radios (GSM, UMTS, GPS, and Bluetoot, besides WiFi) -- but at least it has connectors! Remote villages shouldn't waste power with inductive charging, and can you imaging debugging a cranky XO-3 via multitouch? See also: $99 NVIDIA Tegra MIDs in development http://www.slashgear.com/99-nvidia-tegra-mids-in-development-android-ported-to-tegra-1734880/ John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 super-o-fficial
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 6:14 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: The OS is proprietary (android), it would probably fail it you dropped it in a puddle and it has too many radios... What makes you think that this will be a proprietary version of Android? Android is licensed Apache 2.0 with kernel patches as GPLv2[1], although there have been some proprietary apps and customizations on top. [1] http://source.android.com/license ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: possible progress on XO-1 camera issues
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 18:09 +, Daniel Drake wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 14:28 -0300, César D. Rodas wrote: Hello Everybody, After hard debugging with Raul, we've realized that the problem was in the Geode driver. I've changed a line within the memory buffer, and it seems to work now. Looking forward to get feedback (please don't be evil, it's my first patch :-) http://oficina.paraguayeduca.org/~crodas/0045-Fixed-Out-of-memory-error-on-XO-1.patch Can you add an explanation? It doesn't look correct to me. You are right. It's not correct. The allocation algorithm is OK as it is. We got a wrong understanding of it and since our change made totem and cheese work (because memory was returned - even though we might probably be stepping on someone's else memory) we decided to share the results. The linked list which keeps the count of used regions seems to be manipulated correctly so no problem there. We are actually running out of offscreen memory. After much looking at the code I went back to X's log and I saw an interesting difference between 8.2 and F11. 8.2 (old geode driver): (II) EXA(0): Offscreen pixmap area of 11208320 bytes F11 (new geode driver): (II) EXA(0): Offscreen pixmap area of 5829856 bytes I wonder why there is a 3MB difference. Ideas? Raúl ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
I would take it all with a large dose of salt. Also, as usual, the left hand at OLPC doesn't know what the right hand is doing. The press release isn't on www.laptop.org, nor is there anything in www.laptop.org or wiki.laptop.org about the XO-3 (or even the XO-1.75). The press release (which is on Business Wire) links to 30 megs of nice publicity photos -- which nobody can download any more, because they're on a foolish hosting site that has reached its download limit. Etc. John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:33 PM, John Gilmore wrote: I would take it all with a large dose of salt. Also, as usual, the left hand at OLPC doesn't know what the right hand is doing. The press release isn't on www.laptop.org, nor is there anything in www.laptop.org or wiki.laptop.org about the XO-3 (or even the XO-1.75). The press release (which is on Business Wire) links to 30 megs of nice publicity photos -- which nobody can download any more, because they're on a foolish hosting site that has reached its download limit. Etc. My sentiments exactly. The press release was solely from the industrial designers, with no feedback nor approval from the team that will actually have to make their dreams become reality. wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Testing OS64 on XO1.5
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 4:41 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 01:20:37PM -0500, milan zimmermann wrote: 1) After reboot, or after a brief period of inactivity, the system sometimes does not connect to network, [...] Deficiency of the B2 hardware, won't be fixed in B2, but will be (is) fixed in the next hardware revision. ok, thanks 2) In the Record activity, sound does not work - I tried to record some fairly loud speach, saved it on the bottom, but on replay of the saved clipping, a very (etremely) low sound - almost no sound, certainly not distinquishable at all. Speakers were unmute and on max. Thanks, I've reproduced this and raised a new ticket. #9375. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9920 thanks 3) Record activity does not maximize the camera view to the whole screen (aftger hitting the maximize button) Known problem, ticket #9890. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9890 4) In Etoys, sound does work reasonably loud, but is very jittery. Known problem, ticket #9375. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9375 Apparently Sayamindu Dasgupta provided a fix which Bert submitted: http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-638 5) With power unplugged, leaving the XO1.5 untouched for 15 minutes (or so, did not measure exactly), all lights go off, only the power light flashes. This is OK, but no mouse or keyboard action , only holding the power button for about 2 seconds, brought the system back from sleep . Is this normal or expected? It does not seem right.. Intentional. 6) There is no shell activity. Is that an intention to hide the filesystem? Intentional, yes. It is only hidden. that was dumb of me I forgot not every activity is a favourite :) Thanks everyone for answers. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Brief testing of OS10 (F11 for XO-1)
Hi, A few observations running OS10 on XO1.0 with latest XO1 firmware: 1) After about 10 minutes (did not measure time exactly) , all input from keyboard and keypad stops. Interestingly, mouse plugged into USB still works. I assume this is because of the Power saving (first of the 2 options) is on. But: 2) By default, Power saving first checkbox is on. But it does not persist when set to off. 3) Interestingly, recording sound in Etoys works (freezes on OS43 and higher on XO1.5, see https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9724). milan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-3 official
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 18:33 -0800, John Gilmore wrote: I would take it all with a large dose of salt. Also, as usual, the left hand at OLPC doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Actually I think the hands are all doing a very good job. It's the head that needs attention. One thing does interest me however. the comment it plans to open the architecture of the device to allow any other PC maker to take over the project. Is this in the realms of possibility for the XO-1/1.5? Specifically, would OLPC allow a 3rd party to manufacture a system with their own motherboard using the XO-1 case, battery and screen. Perhaps with a colour change to make it distinctive as another product. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] Various / PDF resources in Moodle
Martin, Regarding pushing activities, I agree that putting them on the XS to allow the users to manage themselves is the best way. If a teacher wants to make sure that all have it installed, they can always create a folder with the activity uploaded to make it unambiguous. A Todays files folder would be useful, with the teacher directing children to it using sharing Bookmarks (Browse), so they have only to join the shared activity and then click on the Bookmark - 2 clicks to the resources for the lesson. 3 questions, (1) what happens if the version on the XS is different (higher or lower) than a version one already on the XO? Do you get duplicates or does the latest downloaded/run version preside? (2) how can one upload an activity to a folder on the XS from an XO? (3) What is the location on the XS of site files and course files, in case I want to load stuff manually? Here is a combined report on several related non-critical issues. Firstly, I took note of your suggestion and updated my four XOs (2 B4s and 2 C1s) using 802/2QE41 and the latest version of the activities. I upgraded all of them using the same memory stick using the fresh install method (four game keys on boot). So they should have been identical software wise. I discovered two issues in this process. (1) It's difficult to know which are the latest stable versions of activities as the OLPC and Sugar activities pages differ (unless I missed the small print). Sugar has more advanced versions. However, I noted that you referred to Browse 102 which is the current version on the OLPC wiki for that activity. I decided to use the OLPC wiki Activities page for all the G1G1 core activities and the Sugar site latest versions for the rest. I have yet to test them all but all seem OK so far. SO, I am using Browse 102 and Read 56. (2) At risk of seeming to make a fuss out of nothing, this issue has the potential to cause a lot of confusion and time wasting. After noticing some activities and collections failed to start or appear, I suspected that some of the downloads were incomplete. This was confirmed when I looked at the shell screen that appears at the stage when activities are installed one by one. If there are errors, the activity is shown with an exclamation mark rather than a plus sign. I found several of the files were not installing properly. This I found to be because they were incomplete. The downloads had terminated partway through, however with no indication of anything amiss. I used a download manager and re-downloaded the ones that had failed to install. True enough, they now all installed and I can see all the collections, for instance. The issue here is that in countries where there is unreliable connectivity (slow with outages, as is the case here in Solomons) this will be something people will experience. Can the downloads be provided in a more reliable way so that one knows that one has got the full file? Or otherwise recommend people to use download managers. Now to the other issues. (A) PDFs uploaded to Moodle folders always open in the Rainbow-Daemon dialogue when you left click on the links. If you go to hyperlinks on HTML pages either in my local public folders or out on the net, a PDF file always opens in the Browse version of PDF reader when you left click on it. In all my tests it is fully reproducable using both B4 and C1s. I would prefer them to open in Read activity, which has but it's not a huge problem, they are very similar. One can also Keep and then open from the Journal. But why the rainbow-daemon window? Thanks! David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link http://www.leeming-consulting.com -Original Message- From: Martin Langhoff [mailto:martin.langh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 22 December 2009 12:43 a.m. To: David Leeming Subject: Re: [Server-devel] PDF resources in Moodle On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 4:30 AM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: Yes, it is reproducible. I am using 802/Q2E41 and Browse-98.xo and the XS is the current latest version stable build. Thanks. Orange flag right there: Browse-98.xo? Get Browse-102.xo from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/ (and I think that will fix your B4s that don't auto-authenticate ;-) So - upgrade Browse, retest! - are you using Squid? If yes, switch it off, retest...? - other websites serving PDFs -- test one from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:PDF Where do I register bugs, sorry I should know that. Let me know and I will do it if you confirm you can replicate. http://dev.laptop.org/ get an account there. It's a rite of passage ;-) If you want to draw more attention to the usability issues for future releases of Sugar, also get an account on http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ and file a bug there. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first -
Re: [Server-devel] Various / PDF resources in Moodle
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:47:55PM +1100, David Leeming wrote: (2) At risk of seeming to make a fuss out of nothing, this issue has the potential to cause a lot of confusion and time wasting. After noticing some activities and collections failed to start or appear, I suspected that some of the downloads were incomplete. [...] Were these downloads done with Browse on an XO, with Software update on an XO, or on another system? A partial HTTP download normally occurs if a connection is interrupted. HTTP has a feature to support resuming from the point of interrupt. I'm not sure if Browse or Software update are doing this. HTTP has a feature for detecting partial downloads, but the client side (Browse, Software update, etc) has to choose to use it. The HTTP header sent by the server contains a total length value that can be checked against what is received. Both of these features may not work if the internet service provider fails to take the care to support them. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
