Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread John Watlington

On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, James Cameron wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:51:01PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote:
>> But hey. Flash developers want Flash in it. It's gotta be good for
>> something.
> 
> My guess is that it is handy for repurposing the system for
> entertainment usage.  (I don't have Flash enabled on my systems, so I
> don't really know what I'm missing).

It's all the rage for games these days.   My kids constantly astound
me with the rendering quality and interactiveness of flash games that
they are able to find for free on the web.

Deployments that have asked for Flash also point to games as the reason.

wad

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Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread James Cameron
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:51:01PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote:
> But hey. Flash developers want Flash in it. It's gotta be good for
> something.

My guess is that it is handy for repurposing the system for
entertainment usage.  (I don't have Flash enabled on my systems, so I
don't really know what I'm missing).

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Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, John Watlington  wrote:
> It is extremely hard to see how anyone conversant with constructionist
> learning could get excited about Flash + OLPC.

Ditto here. I have never seen anyone who understands learning in depth
advocating Flash. Social constructionism and Flash "educational
content" are polar opposites.

But hey. Flash developers want Flash in it. It's gotta be good for something.

cheers,


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Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread John Watlington

On Apr 11, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Carlos Nazareno wrote:

> Hey Martin! JD also hooked us up with Tom Nguyen, product  manager for
> the Flash Player and here's what Tom said:
> 
> "Great to meet you. I actually recently graduated with an MA in
> Education from Stanford, where I spent a bit of time focusing on
> constructionist learning methods, so it's great to hear about Flash +
> OLPC.

It is extremely hard to see how anyone conversant with constructionist
learning could get excited about Flash + OLPC.

wad

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Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread Carlos Nazareno
Hey Martin! JD also hooked us up with Tom Nguyen, product  manager for
the Flash Player and here's what Tom said:

"Great to meet you. I actually recently graduated with an MA in
Education from Stanford, where I spent a bit of time focusing on
constructionist learning methods, so it's great to hear about Flash +
OLPC.

As JD mentioned, please feel to free to pass along questions you might
have, and I'll see if I can help or connect you to the right folks.
Thanks. --Tom"

Pretty cool, no? Forwarded to Ed & Reuben, waiting for replies. :)

JD was also asking for consolidated info that he could pass along to
the right people & I think the best thing for us to do is edit the
wiki pages (or create separate wiki pages) for the issues (like
installation, etc), suggestions & wishlists to get Flash & AIR
installing & running smoothly on the XOs both for Sugar and Fedora,
and then forward those to the Adobe folks.

I know that Flash has traditionally gotten Flak from the open source
community as not being good for the open web because the only
authoring tools were commercial products from Adobe, but now Adobe has
given open source tools for people to create SWFs and AIR apps via
Flex.

Cheers!

-Naz

> From my PoV, Flash is ok installation wise (hey! some optimisation for
> our gpu would be cool, as would finding a way to use xv on linux
> again), but AIR installer needs to be a plain rpm. The current .bin
> installer unpacks itself and builds an rpm on the fly -- this means
> you need to have rpm "dev" packages on the target image, that's
> problematic.
>
> Maybe forward to jd?

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Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

2010-04-11 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
I guess something was left out from the Speak-14 installation in this build.
Launching gives the following warning
"Cannot find cached 0sugar-launch implementation"
Tries for some more time and then dies.
Was fine in os116.

--- On Fri, 4/9/10, Chris Ball  wrote:

> From: Chris Ball 
> Subject: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119
> To: "Fedora OLPC" 
> Cc: "Devel" 
> Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 4:27 PM
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5
> http://build.laptop.org/10.2.0/os119
> 
> Compressed image size: 678.36mb (+0.01mb since build 118)
> 
> Description of changes in this build:
>  * kernel: allow negotiation of 5/10/15/30fps (#10106)
> 
>  With this change, Record should be able to record
> audio+video together,
>  although you'll still need to VT switch away and back if
> you get a black
>  Xv overlay as described in http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10068.
> 
> Package changes since build 118:
> 
> -kernel-2.6.31_xo1.5-20100331.1824.1.olpc.5944795.i586
> +kernel-2.6.31_xo1.5-20100409.1311.1.olpc.03dde3f.i586
> -kernel-firmware-2.6.31_xo1.5-20100331.1824.1.olpc.5944795.i586
> +kernel-firmware-2.6.31_xo1.5-20100409.1311.1.olpc.03dde3f.i586
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Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

2010-04-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Carlos Nazareno  wrote:
> hey guys! Good news, I was able to get in touch with John Dowdell of
> Adobe (email below).

jd is still around! We used to correspond over bug and quirks in
Director versions 3 to 6.

>From my PoV, Flash is ok installation wise (hey! some optimisation for
our gpu would be cool, as would finding a way to use xv on linux
again), but AIR installer needs to be a plain rpm. The current .bin
installer unpacks itself and builds an rpm on the fly -- this means
you need to have rpm "dev" packages on the target image, that's
problematic.

Maybe forward to jd?


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