Re: [Dextrose] Problem with olpc-os-builder: ZD image of 20 MB
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 13:56 -0200, Daniel Castelo wrote: With this configuration: [buildnr_from_file] suffix=uy path=uy-buildnr-0.88-1.5 When the version number has three digits the process fail. Seems like the image name couldn't have more than nine characters. For example with the image name: os100uy.zd the process Its very strange, because I know that many dextrose builds have long names. Yes, it's strange. Versions with 3 digits and 2 or 3 letters of suffix always worked well for me! Perhaps there are some invisible blanks in the .ini or in the buildnr file? Note that there's a real limit to observe: the old DOS 8+3 naming scheme. Otherwise, the OFW will display a mangled name. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Test request time
Hello world It is late Thursday night here in NZ so it is the time of the week I start looking for what we should download Friday and test in NZ on Saturday morning. Are there any test requests from anyone out there? I am assuming we are starting with a Sugar 0.90 test of some sort... I see some new releases - Sliderule-22, Physics-7, Turtle Blocks-100, Jukebox-20 and Numbers-3. Should we test these and is there anything in particular (other than the changes described in the release notes) you are looking for feedback on? I was hoping that Wordgroupz would be ready for testing but I haven't seen that yet. We still have to try out creating our own images for Visual Match, and test eToys on Sugar 0.90 too. The Australians have a new XO-1.5 build they want tested... Anything else? Thanks world Tabitha olpc NZ volunteer ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Test request time
Tabitha: It would be nice if we could incorporate your testing with what we have been trying to do here: Any ideas your group may have to improve or change these tables would be appreciated. (Feel free to enter anything you want on these pages, rearrange them add columns for new OS etc.) Activities under various Hardware and OS's: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Soas_V4/ASLOxo_Activity_Test_Table#Activity_Test_Results Also for installs CD boot and bugs etc.: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick_release_process#Test_Matrix Cordially; Tom Gilliard satellit on #sugar freenode IRC Tabitha Roder wrote: Hello world It is late Thursday night here in NZ so it is the time of the week I start looking for what we should download Friday and test in NZ on Saturday morning. Are there any test requests from anyone out there? I am assuming we are starting with a Sugar 0.90 test of some sort... I see some new releases - Sliderule-22, Physics-7, Turtle Blocks-100, Jukebox-20 and Numbers-3. Should we test these and is there anything in particular (other than the changes described in the release notes) you are looking for feedback on? I was hoping that Wordgroupz would be ready for testing but I haven't seen that yet. We still have to try out creating our own images for Visual Match, and test eToys on Sugar 0.90 too. The Australians have a new XO-1.5 build they want tested... Anything else? Thanks world Tabitha olpc NZ volunteer ___ Testing mailing list test...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/testing ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Test request time
On 10/14/2010 11:20 AM, Tabitha Roder wrote: Hello world It is late Thursday night here in NZ so it is the time of the week I start looking for what we should download Friday and test in NZ on Saturday morning. Are there any test requests from anyone out there? I am assuming we are starting with a Sugar 0.90 test of some sort... I see some new releases - Sliderule-22, Physics-7, Turtle Blocks-100, Jukebox-20 and Numbers-3. Should we test these and is there anything in particular (other than the changes described in the release notes) you are looking for feedback on? I was hoping that Wordgroupz would be ready for testing but I haven't seen that yet. We still have to try out creating our own images for Visual Match, and test eToys on Sugar 0.90 too. The Australians have a new XO-1.5 build they want tested... Anything else? Thanks world Tabitha olpc NZ volunteer Hi Tabitha, thanks very much for asking. Of course it would be great if you could give 0.90 another go. I am updating and uploading new images for testing on the XO-1 and XO-1.5 [1]. I would as well like to give you a list of fixes that went in the packages you could verify and of course I am looking for any other feedback you have. We will do new Sugar tarballs today (then it takes some hours for the rpms, some for new builds...). Until when do you need the builds and the instructions? Regards, Simon [1] http://bugs.laptop.org/~erikos/F14_builds/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Test request time
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Tabitha Roder tabi...@tabitha.net.nz wrote: Hello world It is late Thursday night here in NZ so it is the time of the week I start looking for what we should download Friday and test in NZ on Saturday morning. Are there any test requests from anyone out there? I am assuming we are starting with a Sugar 0.90 test of some sort... I see some new releases - Sliderule-22, Physics-7, Turtle Blocks-100, Jukebox-20 and Numbers-3. Should we test these and is there anything in particular (other than the changes described in the release notes) you are looking for feedback on? I was hoping that Wordgroupz would be ready for testing but I haven't seen that yet. We still have to try out creating our own images for Visual Match, and test eToys on Sugar 0.90 too. I am working on a simpler way to create images for Visual Match, so maybe hold off on that one for a week. Thanks. -walter The Australians have a new XO-1.5 build they want tested... Anything else? Thanks world Tabitha olpc NZ volunteer ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [squeakland] Audio recorder broken on XO-1.5
On Oct 12, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: (I'm copying the olpc devel list) On 12.10.2010, at 07:58, tom.staub...@fhtw-berlin.de wrote: Hi, I'm currently experimenting with Etoys' audio recorder on the XO. It seems to be broken on the XO-1.5. While it works (more or less) ok on several XO-1s, all of them have a fresh install of System 10.1.2/Sugar 0.84, it completely fails on the XO-1.5, running the same System/Sugar version. Following is a description of what happens: I create a new project, open the supplies box, fetch a Sound Recorder, and place it somewhere on stage. I press the record button, the microphone control light lights up and I'm able to record about a second or two. Then Etoys gets kind of stuck. It is hard to move the mouse cursor, stop the recording, remove the recorder... It takes some time, then Etoys starts to be responding again and I'm able to delete the recorder. Even if the recorder is deleted the microphone control light still keeps burning until Etoys is finally stopped. I wrote more or less ok as on both XO's the quality of the audio is less than satisfactory. Also the level of the recording is very low. Maybe a control to adjust the input level might be a means to improve this. If this list should not be the appropriate address for reports like this, please tell me and give me directions where to go to instead. The squeakland list is okay to report Etoys problems. If you are fine with a more technical discussion, the etoys-dev list is even better: http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys-dev Your report sounds like this issue: http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-641 So we are aware of it, and there is a solution. But we (Etoys developers) do not build the XO operating system nor the Etoys/Squeak packages used there. To actually fix this for OLPC users in general, the packaging needs to change (in particular to fix older versions). The OLPC developers list is more appropriate to discuss that: http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel There are open tickets on the OLPC tracker too: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9724 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9527 Thanks for the links. I'll check the bug trackers next time before reporting. Currently we have nobody driving the process of getting this fixed. But volunteer positions are always open, maybe you are interested in helping out? :) - Bert - Any other time I'd say yes. But I'm currently writing my master's thesis, have a couple of day time jobs, and a newborn baby. So I hardly will find the time to actually fix stuff. What I can offer to do though, is reporting bugs or issues that occur to me while I'm doing research for my thesis. Cheers, Tom___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
OFW u:/boot/bootfw.zip vs wp tag
[Training a team in mx so brief.] Just discovered that when security is disabled, OFW Q3A41 will probe int:/boot/bootfw.zip but not u:/boot/bootfw.zip . So OFW upgrades trigger automatically after an OS upgrade (where the newer bootfw.zip is on the internal disk), but not from USB. The workaround is hold the X gamekey pressed -- this runs the secure codepath, which does probe for u:\boot\bootfw.zip known? expected? cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OFW u:/boot/bootfw.zip vs wp tag
On 14 October 2010 16:36, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: [Training a team in mx so brief.] Just discovered that when security is disabled, OFW Q3A41 will probe int:/boot/bootfw.zip but not u:/boot/bootfw.zip . So OFW upgrades trigger automatically after an OS upgrade (where the newer bootfw.zip is on the internal disk), but not from USB. This is probably not the fault of OFW per say, but the fault of the olpc.fth file shipped in the OS distribution which is executed when security is disabled. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
olpc-os-builder -- injecting Sugar translations
[ working with a deployment team on planning... ] We have 4 local languages that are not in Sugar nor Linux/Fedora localizations. The plan so far is to start working on Sugar's Pootle for Sugar and Activities. The timeframes don't allow for a full cycle upstream (not even glibc knows about them). How do we inject them into an OS image? I suspect we'll need an os-image-builder module to - frob libc locales list (if required) - install sugar translations - install activity translations Is there a better way? Am I missing anything? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: olpc-os-builder -- injecting Sugar translations
On 14 October 2010 16:58, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: We have 4 local languages that are not in Sugar nor Linux/Fedora localizations. The plan so far is to start working on Sugar's Pootle for Sugar and Activities. The timeframes don't allow for a full cycle upstream (not even glibc knows about them). How do we inject them into an OS image? I suspect we'll need an os-image-builder module to - frob libc locales list (if required) This already happens based on the configured languages. - install sugar translations - install activity translations The problem with force installing activity translations into the regular place like this is that they'll get blown away on activity update. Is there a better way? Am I missing anything? If glibc doesn't know about them then you'll have to add all the locale data as well. I suspect that is also a prerequisite for adding a language to Pootle. You could look at the code used to generate language packs and rework that into a more generic archive which could be fed to olpc-os-builder. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [squeakland] Audio recorder broken on XO-1.5
On 14.10.2010, at 02:38, tom.staub...@fhtw-berlin.de wrote: On Oct 12, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: (I'm copying the olpc devel list) On 12.10.2010, at 07:58, tom.staub...@fhtw-berlin.de wrote: Hi, I'm currently experimenting with Etoys' audio recorder on the XO. It seems to be broken on the XO-1.5. While it works (more or less) ok on several XO-1s, all of them have a fresh install of System 10.1.2/Sugar 0.84, it completely fails on the XO-1.5, running the same System/Sugar version. Following is a description of what happens: I create a new project, open the supplies box, fetch a Sound Recorder, and place it somewhere on stage. I press the record button, the microphone control light lights up and I'm able to record about a second or two. Then Etoys gets kind of stuck. It is hard to move the mouse cursor, stop the recording, remove the recorder... It takes some time, then Etoys starts to be responding again and I'm able to delete the recorder. Even if the recorder is deleted the microphone control light still keeps burning until Etoys is finally stopped. I wrote more or less ok as on both XO's the quality of the audio is less than satisfactory. Also the level of the recording is very low. Maybe a control to adjust the input level might be a means to improve this. If this list should not be the appropriate address for reports like this, please tell me and give me directions where to go to instead. The squeakland list is okay to report Etoys problems. If you are fine with a more technical discussion, the etoys-dev list is even better: http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys-dev Your report sounds like this issue: http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-641 So we are aware of it, and there is a solution. But we (Etoys developers) do not build the XO operating system nor the Etoys/Squeak packages used there. To actually fix this for OLPC users in general, the packaging needs to change (in particular to fix older versions). The OLPC developers list is more appropriate to discuss that: http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel There are open tickets on the OLPC tracker too: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9724 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9527 Thanks for the links. I'll check the bug trackers next time before reporting. We just did an update to the 4.1 release which might fix this, provided a good Squeak VM package is installed. Currently we have nobody driving the process of getting this fixed. But volunteer positions are always open, maybe you are interested in helping out? :) - Bert - Any other time I'd say yes. But I'm currently writing my master's thesis, have a couple of day time jobs, and a newborn baby. So I hardly will find the time to actually fix stuff. What I can offer to do though, is reporting bugs or issues that occur to me while I'm doing research for my thesis. That is very valuable, too. Thank you! - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OFW u:/boot/bootfw.zip vs wp tag
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: This is probably not the fault of OFW per say, but the fault of the olpc.fth file shipped in the OS distribution which is executed when security is disabled. Then it's 10.1.1 :-) m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [squeakland] Audio recorder broken on XO-1.5
On 14.10.2010, at 11:58, tom.staub...@fhtw-berlin.de wrote: On Oct 14, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: We just did an update to the 4.1 release which might fix this, provided a good Squeak VM package is installed. How do I know if a good Squeak VM Package is installed? It has to have the vm-sound-pulse module. The available modules are listed at the end of the squeak -help output. It was added in 4.0 but when building it, the right headers/libraries have to be installed, otherwise it is left out. Is there an easy way to update the XO to this new version? Depends on what you mean by easy ;) My Settings-Software update says that my software is up to date. Or do I have to install it from source? Where do I find an installation guide? I'm not only looking at this from my perspective but also from a perspective of teachers that might not be techies. If RPMs were available (that's what I meant by packaging at the start of this discussion) then you could upgrade them. But this requires using the command line, and you will have to have root access. IIUC many kids don't have root access so they cannot fix this themselves. Only a new operating system version would be simple because that's installed deployment-wide. But that does not happen often, if at all. OTOH, recording worked fine in previous versions (before PulseAudio) so not too many people are affected yet, I think. - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [squeakland] Audio recorder broken on XO-1.5
On Oct 14, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: We just did an update to the 4.1 release which might fix this, provided a good Squeak VM package is installed. How do I know if a good Squeak VM Package is installed? Is there an easy way to update the XO to this new version? My Settings-Software update says that my software is up to date. Or do I have to install it from source? Where do I find an installation guide? I'm not only looking at this from my perspective but also from a perspective of teachers that might not be techies. Thanks, Tom ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OFW u:/boot/bootfw.zip vs wp tag
2010/10/14 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com [Training a team in mx so brief.] That's interesting. Can you say any more about that? Out of touch but still interested, Jameson ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OFW u:/boot/bootfw.zip vs wp tag
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/14 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com [Training a team in mx so brief.] That's interesting. Can you say any more about that? Out of touch but still interested, A fantastic project in Nayarit, Mx -- focussing on local languages. Currently 1800 units for 30 schools, most in remote areas. Power and internet conectivity will be a real challenge. This is part of the HDT project of the Mexican govt. Not much published yet. Excellent local team. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] automount external HD
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: Any ideas? I think you can configure usbmount to make a special case of your external disk. Note that you'll have to copy all the data from the preexisting /library ! Make the changes in single user mode to make sure you don't try to move the PG database or the user backups while they are running ;-) m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list server-de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: OFW u:/boot/bootfw.zip vs wp tag
2010/10/14 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/14 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com [Training a team in mx so brief.] That's interesting. Can you say any more about that? Out of touch but still interested, A fantastic project in Nayarit, Mx -- focussing on local languages. Currently 1800 units for 30 schools, most in remote areas. Power and internet conectivity will be a real challenge. This is part of the HDT project of the Mexican govt. Not much published yet. Excellent local team. I'm even more fascinated. I'm in Chiapas, which is not very close to Nayarit of course, but I'd be interested in how I could help, and especially interested if there was a possibility of expansion (Chiapas has one of the highest percentages of non-first-language Spanish speakers, so the native languages part is a good fit). Can we talk somehow? My number here in mexico - landline, not a caller-pays cell - is 967-674-0324. I only provide that in case you want to call me, if there's some other mode that works better for you (including further discussion here) then that's just fine. Thanks, Jameson ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Dextrose] Problem with olpc-os-builder: ZD image of 20 MB
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:32:26PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Note that there's a real limit to observe: the old DOS 8+3 naming scheme. Otherwise, the OFW will display a mangled name. OpenFirmware will still fs-update or copy-nand from a mangled name if it is typed correctly. If you really need longer file names, use a filesystem that supports them correctly. Current versions of OpenFirmware appear to work fine with ext2. I'm able to fs-update from ext2 on 4 GB or 160 GB drives. But if you suspect any of the laptops are on older firmware, it is best to stick to FAT. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] automount external HD
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:15:55PM -0700, Sameer Verma wrote: I want to use an external USB hard drive and mount it as /library at boot time. I have added a line in /etc/fstab /dev/sda1 /libraryext3 defaults 0 0 Might you instead mount by UUID or LABEL? However, this won't mount at boot time. There's no auto in the fourth field. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] automount external HD
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:19 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:15:55PM -0700, Sameer Verma wrote: I want to use an external USB hard drive and mount it as /library at boot time. I have added a line in /etc/fstab /dev/sda1 /library ext3 defaults 0 0 Might you instead mount by UUID or LABEL? I will try this tomorrow. However, this won't mount at boot time. There's no auto in the fourth field. I changed that to auto but that does not work either. Here's the other interesting thing. The USB drive shows up under lsusb but is not auto mounted. df -h doesn't show it. mount -a results in a /dev/sda1 does not exist. Then if I unplug the USB cable and plug it back in, the drive gets recognized and automounts twice. Once at the /library mountpoint and once at the /mnt/usb0 mountpoint. Could be a conflict between fstab and udev? Sameer -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] automount external HD
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 00:24 -0700, Sameer Verma wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:19 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:15:55PM -0700, Sameer Verma wrote: I want to use an external USB hard drive and mount it as /library at boot time. I have added a line in /etc/fstab /dev/sda1 /libraryext3 defaults 0 0 Might you instead mount by UUID or LABEL? I will try this tomorrow. However, this won't mount at boot time. There's no auto in the fourth field. I changed that to auto but that does not work either. Here's the other interesting thing. The USB drive shows up under lsusb but is not auto mounted. df -h doesn't show it. mount -a results in a /dev/sda1 does not exist. Then if I unplug the USB cable and plug it back in, the drive gets recognized and automounts twice. Once at the /library mountpoint and once at the /mnt/usb0 mountpoint. Could be a conflict between fstab and udev? The package usbmount is reason for the behaviour you are seeing. http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/martin/usbmount.git/ Jerry ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
