Re: [OLPC Engineering] [Techteam] 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
On 03/25/2012 09:25 PM, Jon Nettleton wrote: On Mar 25, 2012 9:15 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 03/25/2012 08:45 PM, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, On Sun, Mar 25 2012, Simon Schampijer wrote: Yeah, flashed now another 1.75 machine (1C2 4GB) and the first boot when I did not sit next to the machine it came up the same as my 1B1 with a non usable keyboard and trackpad. I rebooted and directly entered a name and could use than the machine. Things I came across from a first quick look: - the trackpad was not as good responsible - the neighborhood view had no APs listed - Paint did not start due to missing binaries (does start on the 1.5) It might have crashed on its way into idle suspend (probably due to the libertas bugs) leading to an apparant symptom of no keyboard/trackpad. I stopped powerd straight away to avoid that. - Chris. Yeah, that is what I did, now I don't get hangs anymore at least. The trackpad is still not as responsible, though. I filed a few more activity bugs on the sugarlabs tracker verifying the bugs we already found in os4 [1], marked them with the keyword '12.1.0'. Regards, Simon [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Erikos/Testing/os4 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel I would recommend disabling render acceleration in the xorg.conf of the 1.75 it seems to be very crashy. Jon On os5 RenderAccel is set to false already to workaround #11256 and #11237. Regards, Simon ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New boot animation for 12.1.0
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: I do not think the two-step progression from one dot to three dots is very useful. Particularly since on an XO with 21005xx1 with both an USB hub and an USB-ethernet adapter plugged in, pretty boot stalls with the one dot showing. [No change after 30 minutes; no clue as to what the user should do now.] Note - the same setup with pressing the check button (_no_ pretty boot) will boot correctly to completion. Hit escape and you'll get the output and you can see what it's doing. That just brings me into non-pretty boot -- which I already know will work. Besides, hitting escape has to be precisely timed -- AFTER it would cause a pause at the ok prompt, but BEFORE the boot process stalls. [Once booting has paused at the single dot, pressing escape does nothing.] If I wanted to run non-pretty boot -- much simpler to press the check button as the XO-1,5 powers on. My point was if you hit escape once it stops you can see where the boot is stopping so to find out what is causing the problem. Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Announcing an OpenFirmware-based Power Log Collector
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Power_Log_Collector#OpenFirmware How to prepare a bootable USB drive for collecting power logs from multiple XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75. Note: not widely tested. It uses OpenFirmware functions to write files to USB drive, and in the face of minor filesystem corruption these functions have been known to make the corruption far worse, to the point of losing files. Testing of FAT filesystems is especially needed, with an image of the filesystem taken before running the program. Recently verified FAT filesystems have not shown any problem. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Patch: Mobile dongles
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 16:44 +1100, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: David This message was sent with a gsm dongle on an xo-1 modem:Huawei E160E carrier:Locked to Dodo (an Optus reseller) XO-1 OS31 development which is same as os884 signed in my settings, enter username, password, leave *99# unaltered, dodolns1, blank, blank turn off power management, because XO looses connection in sleep mode I have an enhancements to powerd to inhibit suspend for that issue. The attached proof of concept patch is heavy on tracing, should apply, maybe with an offset, and needs /etc/powerd/flags/modules-inhibits created containing usb_wwan. Once usb_wwan is inserted in the kernel, it remains in memory you can have NM dispatcher or pppd remove the module when the connection is torn down to restore normal power management operation. These features are in testable with au210. Sorry 4g images only, with no firmware in the image. http://build.laptop.org.au/xo/os/latest/ Jerry diff --git a/powerd b/powerd index e849f87..d6af071 100755 --- a/powerd +++ b/powerd @@ -1237,6 +1237,35 @@ inhibited_by_files() inhibit_files_present || filetimes_busy $t1 } +# let the presence of kernel modules inhibit suspend +kmod_inhibit() +{ +kmodconf=$CONFIGFLAGS/modules-inhibits + +loadedmodules=$(lsmod) + +trace kmod looking for $(cat $kmodconf) +wanted=$(cat $kmodconf) + +for module in $wanted +do +trace kmod looking at $module +foundmodule=$(lsmod | grep $module) +if [ x$foundmodule = x ] +then +foundmodule= +trace kmod not found +else +trace kmod matched $foundmodule +# implicit return value +trace kmod busy: $foundmodule +return 0 +break +fi +done +return 1 +} + usb_inhibit() { @@ -1266,7 +1295,7 @@ general_inhibit() laptop_busy() { -general_inhibit || usb_inhibit || cpu_or_network_busy +general_inhibit || usb_inhibit || cpu_or_network_busy || kmod_inhibit } if [ -e $TPAD_RECAL ] @@ -1794,6 +1823,9 @@ snooze() then inhibited_by_files break 2 +# check kernel modules against kmod_inhibit +kmod_inhibit break 2 + # recheck network packets. check_network_activity finish break fi ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Patch: Mobile dongles
Thanks I have noticed another issue with the mobile dongle. OS31, XO-1.75 Press the power button once and wait for sleep. The dongle remains powered on (which is a good or bad thing depending on your point of view), then press the power button to wake the laptop, the dongle is briefly turned off and the connection is lost, negating any benefit from keeping it powered during sleep. Tony On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 16:44 +1100, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: David This message was sent with a gsm dongle on an xo-1 modem:Huawei E160E carrier:Locked to Dodo (an Optus reseller) XO-1 OS31 development which is same as os884 signed in my settings, enter username, password, leave *99# unaltered, dodolns1, blank, blank turn off power management, because XO looses connection in sleep mode I have an enhancements to powerd to inhibit suspend for that issue. The attached proof of concept patch is heavy on tracing, should apply, maybe with an offset, and needs /etc/powerd/flags/modules-inhibits created containing usb_wwan. Once usb_wwan is inserted in the kernel, it remains in memory you can have NM dispatcher or pppd remove the module when the connection is torn down to restore normal power management operation. These features are in testable with au210. Sorry 4g images only, with no firmware in the image. http://build.laptop.org.au/xo/os/latest/ Jerry _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New boot animation for 12.1.0
My point was if you hit escape once it stops you can see where the boot is stopping so to find out what is causing the problem. He reported that doesn't work. pause at the ok prompt, but BEFORE the boot process stalls. [Once booting has paused at the single dot, pressing escape does nothing.] I suspect what may be happening is that the screen is not getting unfrozen. So even though the system is running you won't ever see anything and pressing escape won't help. When you boot with pretty boot disabled check to see if powerd is running. If powerd isn't starting right then I don't think the screen will get unfrozen. -- Richard A. Smith One Laptop per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New boot animation for 12.1.0
peter wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: I do not think the two-step progression from one dot to three dots is very useful. Particularly since on an XO with 21005xx1 with both an USB hub and an USB-ethernet adapter plugged in, pretty boot stalls with the one dot showing. [No change after 30 minutes; no clue as to what the user should do now.] Note - the same setup with pressing the check button (_no_ pretty boot) will boot correctly to completion. Hit escape and you'll get the output and you can see what it's doing. That just brings me into non-pretty boot -- which I already know will work. Besides, hitting escape has to be precisely timed -- AFTER it would cause a pause at the ok prompt, but BEFORE the boot process stalls. [Once booting has paused at the single dot, pressing escape does nothing.] If I wanted to run non-pretty boot -- much simpler to press the check button as the XO-1,5 powers on. My point was if you hit escape once it stops you can see where the boot is stopping so to find out what is causing the problem. i think mikus might be saying that without animation, it's harder to tell that the boot has stopped. hopefully the much shorter boot times will make that more obvious, after we all become used to the speedup. (right now, given how we're used to pretty slow boots, it would be easier to wait at a single dot for some time before realizing something is wrong.) paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New boot animation for 12.1.0
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Richard Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote: My point was if you hit escape once it stops you can see where the boot is stopping so to find out what is causing the problem. He reported that doesn't work. pause at the ok prompt, but BEFORE the boot process stalls. [Once booting has paused at the single dot, pressing escape does nothing.] I suspect what may be happening is that the screen is not getting unfrozen. So even though the system is running you won't ever see anything and pressing escape won't help. Hitting escape on at least one of the XO-1/1.5/1.75 worked for me in my testing, I don't remember exactly which one(s) it was but it was certainly working in base testing (ie no modifications, no extra HW). Peter ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch: Mobile dongles
fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Thanks I have noticed another issue with the mobile dongle. OS31, XO-1.75 Press the power button once and wait for sleep. The dongle remains this is very surprising. do other USB devices remain powered when the laptop sleeps? we've done nothing intentional to change this (or fix this, depending on your point of view :-) in this release. paul powered on (which is a good or bad thing depending on your point of view), then press the power button to wake the laptop, the dongle is briefly turned off and the connection is lost, negating any benefit from keeping it powered during sleep. Tony =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] [OLPC Engineering] 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
In 1.5, automount does not work. I mounted a usb stick doing sudo mount /dev/sda my_mount_dir El día 26 de marzo de 2012 07:09, Niels de Vos de...@fedoraproject.org escribió: On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi, On Sun, Mar 25 2012, Simon Schampijer wrote: Yeah, flashed now another 1.75 machine (1C2 4GB) and the first boot when I did not sit next to the machine it came up the same as my 1B1 with a non usable keyboard and trackpad. I rebooted and directly entered a name and could use than the machine. Things I came across from a first quick look: - the trackpad was not as good responsible - the neighborhood view had no APs listed - Paint did not start due to missing binaries (does start on the 1.5) It might have crashed on its way into idle suspend (probably due to the libertas bugs) leading to an apparant symptom of no keyboard/trackpad. I stopped powerd straight away to avoid that. These crashes/hangs happen very reliable for me too. Stopping powerd was a nice hint :-) I did the following, in case someone has the same issues: 1. boot 2. switch to a console (CTRL+ALT+F2), as soon as the GUI starts 3. press enter to activate the shell 4. (optional) ignore the timeout errors related to the libertas driver, just keep typing 5. execute 'systemctl stop powerd.service' to stop the currently running daemon 6. execute 'systemctl disable powerd.service' to prevent the daemon from starting on the next boot Now, I'd like to have the wireless working somehow. Any hints, or is there a ticket open for this already? Thanks, Niels ___ Techteam mailing list techt...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/techteam -- .. manuq .. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Techteam] [OLPC Engineering] 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
El día 26 de marzo de 2012 10:53, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org escribió: In 1.5, automount does not work. I mounted a usb stick doing sudo mount /dev/sda my_mount_dir Tried again and it automounted, but was not the case the first time. El día 26 de marzo de 2012 07:09, Niels de Vos de...@fedoraproject.org escribió: On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi, On Sun, Mar 25 2012, Simon Schampijer wrote: Yeah, flashed now another 1.75 machine (1C2 4GB) and the first boot when I did not sit next to the machine it came up the same as my 1B1 with a non usable keyboard and trackpad. I rebooted and directly entered a name and could use than the machine. Things I came across from a first quick look: - the trackpad was not as good responsible - the neighborhood view had no APs listed - Paint did not start due to missing binaries (does start on the 1.5) It might have crashed on its way into idle suspend (probably due to the libertas bugs) leading to an apparant symptom of no keyboard/trackpad. I stopped powerd straight away to avoid that. These crashes/hangs happen very reliable for me too. Stopping powerd was a nice hint :-) I did the following, in case someone has the same issues: 1. boot 2. switch to a console (CTRL+ALT+F2), as soon as the GUI starts 3. press enter to activate the shell 4. (optional) ignore the timeout errors related to the libertas driver, just keep typing 5. execute 'systemctl stop powerd.service' to stop the currently running daemon 6. execute 'systemctl disable powerd.service' to prevent the daemon from starting on the next boot Now, I'd like to have the wireless working somehow. Any hints, or is there a ticket open for this already? Thanks, Niels ___ Techteam mailing list techt...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/techteam -- .. manuq .. -- .. manuq .. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO1/os31 update-nand issues
Don't use update-nand on XO-1 against a non-partitioned image. Once a signed build becomes available, the instructions should be changed to using the four-game-key method of starting the process, without any typing required. I myself keep several build versions on one (large) USB stick, so I do need to type - to indicate which build version I'm installing. I've been going by the filename-extension -- using 'copy-nand' for .img and using 'update-nand' for .onu -- but I was surprised to have to use 'copy-nand' with the 12.1.0 os5 for XO-1 -- 'update-nand' told me the file length was incorrect. mikus p.s. James - I have a weak XO-1, on which I often needed to redo an attempted install (because fetching the data off the USB stick happened to experience a file read error). Mitch Bradley came up with a timing change in q2e46a.rom which in my testing made 'copy-nand' run smoothly on that weak XO-1. I noticed that with one of this year's q2f roms that I again had to redo 'copy-nand' on that weak XO-1. Did the q2e46a change ever make it into the q2f roms ? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: The release is our first combined 12.1.0 / Fedora 17 release, such a small release but represents so much time by so many people in both OLPC and Fedora in the ARM side of things to get a hardfp ARM release. Thanks everyone for all the feedback so far! We've put tickets in trac for the biggest issues reported here and will now be working to resolve all the problems. Stay tuned for new builds! Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New boot animation for 12.1.0
On 03/26/2012 07:33 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: Hitting escape on at least one of the XO-1/1.5/1.75 worked for me in my testing, I don't remember exactly which one(s) it was but it was certainly working in base testing (ie no modifications, no extra HW). My setup *does* have extra HW. I have an USB hub (with a keyboard and a mouse plugged into it) plus an USB-ethernet adapter plugged directly into the XO-1.5. If I unplug either the USB Hub or the USB-ethernet adapter before powering up, then pretty boot completes normally (system up and running). It is only when BOTH are plugged in to the XO-1.5 that the pretty boot stalls at the single dot. mikus p.s. Reminder - non-pretty boot works correctly. Pressing escape once the pretty boot has stalled does nothing. pps. Richard - when the pretty boot appears to stall, I do not think booting has gotten very far. Without both USB devices plugged in, pretty boot eventually activates the camera LED (presumably while initializing the camera). But when pretty boot stalls (with both USB devices plugged in), I did not see the camera LED ever being activated. [BTW, whenever booting completes and the system is up. powerd *is* running.] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Patch: Mobile dongles
jerry wrote: On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 16:44 +1100, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: David This message was sent with a gsm dongle on an xo-1 modem:Huawei E160E carrier:Locked to Dodo (an Optus reseller) XO-1 OS31 development which is same as os884 signed in my settings, enter username, password, leave *99# unaltered, dodolns1, blank, blank turn off power management, because XO looses connection in sleep mode I have an enhancements to powerd to inhibit suspend for that issue. The attached proof of concept patch is heavy on tracing, should apply, maybe with an offset, and needs /etc/powerd/flags/modules-inhibits created containing usb_wwan. Once usb_wwan is inserted in the kernel, it remains in memory you can have NM dispatcher or pppd remove the module when the connection is torn down to restore normal power management operation. These features are in testable with au210. Sorry 4g images only, with no firmware in the image. http://build.laptop.org.au/xo/os/latest/ is presence of the module really the best way to do this? is it possible to look for the presence of the network interface, or maybe simply network traffic, or something similar? i assume using the existing usb-inhibits is impractical because of the variety of devices, is that right? i guess it would be too much to ask for all GSM devices to be in the same USB class. :-/ (maybe the module presence check is okay -- it just doesn't feel right.) paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: coding 88W8388 firmware
Excerpts from John Watlington's message of 2012-03-22 03:27:14 +0100: We did pay to get a version of firmware developed for both the 8388 and the 8686 which offloads the packet processing to the main processor (normally much of this is done by the WLAN's processor). This thin firmware, while consuming more power does allow open source support for 802.11s and AP mode as well as open experimentation with mesh routing and protocols. See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Thinfirm_1.5 and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Libertas_Thinfirmware_HOWTO It's worth noting that while libertas_tf exists, it has never been upstreamed and isn't maintained in any way. Fixes to libertas that apply to libertas_tf as well don't get ported. I'm afraid that except maybe for a few special cases it isn't very useful in this state. It's sad to see this useful code rot away. It still requires proprietary firmware, but at least you can use it for AP mode and 802.11s (not to be confused with the OLPC mesh protocol that was based on an early draft of 802.11s and isn't interoperable with anything else). And maybe it's easier to port Thinform to a different operating system (on the libertas chip) than to port the full-MAC firmware. I had forward-ported the libertas_tf patch set to Linux 3.1 some time ago and even ported a few libertas fixes to libertas_tf, but there are still some issues and I don't have any time left to work on it. If anyone is interested in picking this up, I can publish the patches. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
On 26 Mar 2012, at 16:24, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: The release is our first combined 12.1.0 / Fedora 17 release, such a small release but represents so much time by so many people in both OLPC and Fedora in the ARM side of things to get a hardfp ARM release. Thanks everyone for all the feedback so far! Just noticed that on the XO-1, the laptop power button doesn't trigger the usual sleep/shutdown full screen UI. Works fine on the XO-1.75. Regards, --Gary We've put tickets in trac for the biggest issues reported here and will now be working to resolve all the problems. Stay tuned for new builds! Daniel ___ olpc mailing list o...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/olpc ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
gary wrote: On 26 Mar 2012, at 16:24, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: The release is our first combined 12.1.0 / Fedora 17 release, such a small release but represents so much time by so many people in both OLPC and Fedora in the ARM side of things to get a hardfp ARM release. Thanks everyone for all the feedback so far! Just noticed that on the XO-1, the laptop power button doesn't trigger the usual sleep/shutdown full screen UI. Works fine on the XO-1.75. in general i wouldn't expect much from powerd for this release on the xo-1 and xo-1.5 -- i believe it's failing to start. i'm working on it. paul Regards, --Gary We've put tickets in trac for the biggest issues reported here and will now be working to resolve all the problems. Stay tuned for new builds! Daniel ___ olpc mailing list o...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/olpc ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: How to run sugar on ArchLinux
Excerpts from lite li's message of 2012-03-21 05:39:37 +0100: After run this: gconftool-2 -s /desktop/sugar/desktop/favorites_layout -t string ring-layout The Sugar and Etoys works on archlinux with sugar-unstable package. This indicates that for some reason the Sugar gconf schema files (containing the defaults for all configuration settings) are not found and / or not used. You may get other, more subtle breakage if you don't fix the underlying problem. You should work with the ArchLinux Sugar packager / packaging team to figure out why. If Sugar packages are treated specially in Arch Linux (using GCONF_DEFAULT_SOURCE_PATH rather than installing to a system location or adjusting /etc/gconf/2/path), Gnome#664031 may be the culprit. Sascha [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664031 -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch: Mobile dongles
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 11:54 -0400, Paul Fox wrote: jerry wrote: On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 16:44 +1100, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: David This message was sent with a gsm dongle on an xo-1 modem:Huawei E160E carrier:Locked to Dodo (an Optus reseller) XO-1 OS31 development which is same as os884 signed in my settings, enter username, password, leave *99# unaltered, dodolns1, blank, blank turn off power management, because XO looses connection in sleep mode I have an enhancements to powerd to inhibit suspend for that issue. The attached proof of concept patch is heavy on tracing, should apply, maybe with an offset, and needs /etc/powerd/flags/modules-inhibits created containing usb_wwan. Once usb_wwan is inserted in the kernel, it remains in memory you can have NM dispatcher or pppd remove the module when the connection is torn down to restore normal power management operation. These features are in testable with au210. Sorry 4g images only, with no firmware in the image. http://build.laptop.org.au/xo/os/latest/ is presence of the module really the best way to do this? is it possible to look for the presence of the network interface, or maybe simply network traffic, or something similar? In the field test reports are saying the modem is getting reset upon suspend while the trying to connect. Think the 15 second, 5 second if your in suspend and don't have any other user activity, sleep loop may not allow enough time to have the modem complete the pppd handshake and bring up the interface. i assume using the existing usb-inhibits is impractical because of the variety of devices, is that right? Yes, that is the reason. We want a one-size-fits-all fix where the user doesn't have to populate any files. i guess it would be too much to ask for all GSM devices to be in the same USB class. :-/ What would be the appropriate USB class? Mine comes up as usb-storage at first and usb_modeswitch has to act on it adding time to the connection routine. (maybe the module presence check is okay -- it just doesn't feel right.) I think this could be used for other devices also like wedo or usb2vga maybe. Jerry ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch: Mobile dongles
jerry wrote: On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 11:54 -0400, Paul Fox wrote: jerry wrote: On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 16:44 +1100, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: David This message was sent with a gsm dongle on an xo-1 modem:Huawei E160E carrier:Locked to Dodo (an Optus reseller) XO-1 OS31 development which is same as os884 signed in my settings, enter username, password, leave *99# unaltered, dodolns1, blank, blank turn off power management, because XO looses connection in sleep mode I have an enhancements to powerd to inhibit suspend for that issue. The attached proof of concept patch is heavy on tracing, should apply, maybe with an offset, and needs /etc/powerd/flags/modules-inhibits created containing usb_wwan. Once usb_wwan is inserted in the kernel, it remains in memory you can have NM dispatcher or pppd remove the module when the connection is torn down to restore normal power management operation. These features are in testable with au210. Sorry 4g images only, with no firmware in the image. http://build.laptop.org.au/xo/os/latest/ is presence of the module really the best way to do this? is it possible to look for the presence of the network interface, or maybe simply network traffic, or something similar? In the field test reports are saying the modem is getting reset upon suspend while the trying to connect. Think the 15 second, 5 second if your in suspend and don't have any other user activity, sleep loop may not allow enough time to have the modem complete the pppd handshake and bring up the interface. who manages the connection? network manager? does it announce the connection sequence via dbus? powerd-dbus is already listening for connection status to prevent sleep during wifi association -- perhaps that mechanism can be leveraged. i assume using the existing usb-inhibits is impractical because of the variety of devices, is that right? Yes, that is the reason. We want a one-size-fits-all fix where the user doesn't have to populate any files. i guess it would be too much to ask for all GSM devices to be in the same USB class. :-/ What would be the appropriate USB class? Mine comes up as usb-storage at first and usb_modeswitch has to act on it adding time to the connection routine. (maybe the module presence check is okay -- it just doesn't feel right.) I think this could be used for other devices also like wedo or usb2vga maybe. perhaps. wedo is readily identifiable by vendor, i think -- and why would one want it to inhibit suspend? that seems more like it should be under the activity's control. i'd think (but don't know) that usb2vga would be used seldom enough that you could either inhibit suspend manually, or change the config so it doesn't suspend when plugged in -- i can't imagine using usb2vga when you don't have plenty of power available. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC Engineering] [Techteam] 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
Hi, On Mon, Mar 26 2012, Niels de Vos wrote: Now, I'd like to have the wireless working somehow. Any hints, or is there a ticket open for this already? We're not sure why the crashes are happening. If you (or anyone else) would be willing to help debug, it'd be appreciated. Either of these two tests would be helpful: (1) Try installing the kernel from 11.3.1 build os31 on os5: http://dev.laptop.org/~kernels/public_rpms/f14-xo1.75/kernel-3.0.19_xo1.75-20120320.1540.olpc.7e610e7.armv7l.rpm and see if the problem persists. (2) Try installing the kernel from os5 onto 11.3.1 build os31: http://dev.laptop.org/~kernels/public_rpms/f17-xo1.75/kernel-3.0.19_xo1.75-20120322.1410.olpc.8f384dd.armv7l.rpm That'll help work out whether the problem follows the kernel RPM or the build image. (Make sure that you've checked that you are actually running the newly-installed kernel, with uname -r.) Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org http://printf.net/ One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch: Mobile dongles
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 13:27 -0400, Paul Fox wrote: jerry wrote: On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 11:54 -0400, Paul Fox wrote: jerry wrote: On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 16:44 +1100, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: David This message was sent with a gsm dongle on an xo-1 modem:Huawei E160E carrier:Locked to Dodo (an Optus reseller) XO-1 OS31 development which is same as os884 signed in my settings, enter username, password, leave *99# unaltered, dodolns1, blank, blank turn off power management, because XO looses connection in sleep mode I have an enhancements to powerd to inhibit suspend for that issue. The attached proof of concept patch is heavy on tracing, should apply, maybe with an offset, and needs /etc/powerd/flags/modules-inhibits created containing usb_wwan. Once usb_wwan is inserted in the kernel, it remains in memory you can have NM dispatcher or pppd remove the module when the connection is torn down to restore normal power management operation. These features are in testable with au210. Sorry 4g images only, with no firmware in the image. http://build.laptop.org.au/xo/os/latest/ is presence of the module really the best way to do this? is it possible to look for the presence of the network interface, or maybe simply network traffic, or something similar? In the field test reports are saying the modem is getting reset upon suspend while the trying to connect. Think the 15 second, 5 second if your in suspend and don't have any other user activity, sleep loop may not allow enough time to have the modem complete the pppd handshake and bring up the interface. who manages the connection? network manager? NetworkManager/modem-manager does it announce the connection sequence via dbus? They should but I'm unsure or what signals are. powerd-dbus is already listening for connection status to prevent sleep during wifi association -- perhaps that mechanism can be leveraged. That would be the best way. i assume using the existing usb-inhibits is impractical because of the variety of devices, is that right? Yes, that is the reason. We want a one-size-fits-all fix where the user doesn't have to populate any files. i guess it would be too much to ask for all GSM devices to be in the same USB class. :-/ What would be the appropriate USB class? Mine comes up as usb-storage at first and usb_modeswitch has to act on it adding time to the connection routine. (maybe the module presence check is okay -- it just doesn't feel right.) I think this could be used for other devices also like wedo or usb2vga maybe. perhaps. wedo is readily identifiable by vendor, i think -- and why would one want it to inhibit suspend? that seems more like it should be under the activity's control. Think there needs to be a consensus on what should be in powerd and which activities need to prevent suspend. i'd think (but don't know) that usb2vga would be used seldom enough that you could either inhibit suspend manually, or change the config so it doesn't suspend when plugged in -- i can't imagine using usb2vga when you don't have plenty of power available. Sure untick the box in the applet is a good workaround, like for a usb modem. ;) Jerry ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Announcing Q4D06 for XO-1.75
Excerpts from James Cameron's message of 2012-03-21 06:11:57 +0100: - enable flattened device tree export to Linux, requires recent kernels, ticket #11568, Does this just mean that recent kernels are needed in order to benefit from FDT passing, or is Q4D06 unable to boot kernels that expect a non-flattened (un-flattened?) device tree? I'm specifically asking because recent kernels don't like my SD card (only one in about twenty or fifty boots succeeds; two different failure modes), so I'd need to make sure I diagnose and fix that before upgrading OFW the next time. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New boot animation for 12.1.0
pps. Richard - when the pretty boot appears to stall, I do not think booting has gotten very far. Without both USB devices plugged in, pretty boot eventually activates the camera LED (presumably while initializing the camera). But when pretty boot stalls (with both USB devices plugged in), I did not see the camera LED ever being activated. [BTW, whenever booting completes and the system is up. powerd *is* running.] ok. Well then someone will have to duplicate the setup and a serial console to see whats up. -- Richard A. Smith One Laptop per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
FYI - odd: I have an (ext2) USB stick. On Linux, or on pre-12.1.0 XO1/XO1.5, -- that stick gets automounted as /media/CAVE On 12.1.0.- os5 - XO 1.5 -- that stick gets automounted as /run/media/olpc/CAVE mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: How to run sugar on ArchLinux
I have contacted with the packager - dram I thought sugar package need a default layout to show these activity icon. We are trying to fix it. BR, On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Sascha Silbe si...@activitycentral.com wrote: Excerpts from lite li's message of 2012-03-21 05:39:37 +0100: After run this: gconftool-2 -s /desktop/sugar/desktop/favorites_layout -t string ring-layout The Sugar and Etoys works on archlinux with sugar-unstable package. This indicates that for some reason the Sugar gconf schema files (containing the defaults for all configuration settings) are not found and / or not used. You may get other, more subtle breakage if you don't fix the underlying problem. You should work with the ArchLinux Sugar packager / packaging team to figure out why. If Sugar packages are treated specially in Arch Linux (using GCONF_DEFAULT_SOURCE_PATH rather than installing to a system location or adjusting /etc/gconf/2/path), Gnome#664031 may be the culprit. Sascha [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664031 -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO1/os31 update-nand issues
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 09:45:25AM -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Don't use update-nand on XO-1 against a non-partitioned image. Once a signed build becomes available, the instructions should be changed to using the four-game-key method of starting the process, without any typing required. I myself keep several build versions on one (large) USB stick, so I do need to type - to indicate which build version I'm installing. Yes, that use case is not well supported and it could be improved. The Australian deployment improved it by adding a boot procedure on the USB drive, in boot/olpc.fth, which checks for certain conditions and perhaps asks questions. It has been a while since I reviewed it. In your situation, you might benefit from a boot menu that offers to install each of the compatible builds it finds on the USB drive. It would only be used on unsecure laptops. Is that interesting? I've been going by the filename-extension -- using 'copy-nand' for .img and using 'update-nand' for .onu -- but I was surprised to have to use 'copy-nand' with the 12.1.0 os5 for XO-1 -- 'update-nand' told me the file length was incorrect. I have not tried 12.1.0 yet, but you should use whatever method the release engineer recommends. p.s. James - I have a weak XO-1, on which I often needed to redo an attempted install (because fetching the data off the USB stick happened to experience a file read error). Mitch Bradley came up with a timing change in q2e46a.rom which in my testing made 'copy-nand' run smoothly on that weak XO-1. I noticed that with one of this year's q2f roms that I again had to redo 'copy-nand' on that weak XO-1. Did the q2e46a change ever make it into the q2f roms ? Since q2e46a was not a controlled release, I don't have any record as to which SVN commit (if any) went into it, sorry. The first mention of q2e46a in mail was from you on 23rd October 2011, and you were quoting a message from Mitch, saying it was on 10/11. The nearest USB related change was svn 2591, http://tracker.coreboot.org/trac/openfirmware/changeset/2591 And yes, this is in the q2f series, though there may have been other changes since. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: FYI - odd: I have an (ext2) USB stick. On Linux, or on pre-12.1.0 XO1/XO1.5, -- that stick gets automounted as /media/CAVE On 12.1.0.- os5 - XO 1.5 -- that stick gets automounted as /run/media/olpc/CAVE This is due to the new filesystem reorg in Fedora 17. -walter mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:14:57PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: FYI - odd: I have an (ext2) USB stick. ?On Linux, or on pre-12.1.0 XO1/XO1.5, -- that stick gets automounted as /media/CAVE On 12.1.0.- os5 - XO 1.5 -- that stick gets automounted as ?/run/media/olpc/CAVE This is due to the new filesystem reorg in Fedora 17. There's a few things to change in documentation then, not just ours, but also for deployments. Should we customise our Fedora 17 builds to use the old name instead? Or release note it? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
--- On Mon, 3/26/12, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: From: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org Subject: Re: 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75 To: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com Cc: o...@lists.fedoraproject.org, a...@lists.fedoraproject.org, devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 10:51 PM On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:14:57PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: FYI - odd: I have an (ext2) USB stick. ?On Linux, or on pre-12.1.0 XO1/XO1.5, -- that stick gets automounted as /media/CAVE On 12.1.0.- os5 - XO 1.5 -- that stick gets automounted as ?/run/media/olpc/CAVE This is due to the new filesystem reorg in Fedora 17. There's a few things to change in documentation then, not just ours, but also for deployments. Should we customise our Fedora 17 builds to use the old name instead? Or release note it? Customization maybe needed. On XO-1/os5 usb sticks are not automouted. /run/media is generated but nothing further. The stick does not show in the frame or the gnome desktop. Does show under PlacesComputer but mount fails with operation not supported. SDcards do not generate a /run/media (or any other I could find) entry and do not show anywhere on sugar or gnome. Both sticks and cards mount fine with `sudo mount device path' These are with ext2/3 formated sticks and cards -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ olpc mailing list o...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/olpc ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:41:27PM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: --- On Mon, 3/26/12, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: From: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org Subject: Re: 12.1.0 devel build 5 released, for the XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75 To: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com Cc: o...@lists.fedoraproject.org, a...@lists.fedoraproject.org, devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 10:51 PM On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:14:57PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: FYI - odd: I have an (ext2) USB stick. ?On Linux, or on pre-12.1.0 XO1/XO1.5, -- that stick gets automounted as /media/CAVE On 12.1.0.- os5 - XO 1.5 -- that stick gets automounted as ?/run/media/olpc/CAVE This is due to the new filesystem reorg in Fedora 17. There's a few things to change in documentation then, not just ours, but also for deployments.? Should we customise our Fedora 17 builds to use the old name instead?? Or release note it? Customization maybe needed. On XO-1/os5 usb sticks are not automouted. /run/media is generated but nothing further. The stick does not show in the frame or the gnome desktop. Does show under PlacesComputer but mount fails with operation not supported. SDcards do not generate a /run/media (or any other I could find) entry and do not show anywhere on sugar or gnome. Both sticks and cards mount fine with `sudo mount device path' These are with ext2/3 formated sticks and cards No, I wasn't talking about the bug that leads to them not being mounted, that is well in hand already ... I was talking only about the change from /media to /run/media/$USER and the impact on documentation. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
[Server-devel] Experiences with 2wire routers
Hi. A fellow OLPCer from Mexico (Fernando) has been having problems with an XS server and 2wire routers has anyone had experiences wit this devices + the XS ? Maybe pointers to some docs?. Thanks and cheers. ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Problemas con servidor xs
Hola German, gracias por responder. Y Respondiendo a tus dudas: 1. Me refiero al tratar de acceder ejemplo a schoolserver.escuela(dominio) en el navegador 2. Conectandome a la red del Router 3. Si lo deshabilito en el servidor para el que se encargue de asignar las direcciones DHCP sea el router 4. Si, pero vi que es una version todavia un poco inestable y con menos documentacion asi que preferi usar la ultima version estable. Lo que quiero hacer es que el router va hacer de AP este asignando las direcciones y que las XOs se conecten a la red del router como si fuera la de un AP, el problema son las configuraciones del router ya que son un poco cerradas ya que son de un proveedor muy utilazado en Mexico, esto lo tengo que hacer porque van a tardar un rato en llegar los APs El 26 de marzo de 2012 17:05, German Ruiz germa...@opensuse.org.niescribió: Hola Fernando Tengo unas dudas: 1. Cuando dices que quieres acceder al XS desde otra máquina, ¿como lo haces, por SSH? 2. Cuando quieres registrar una XO, esta cómo se conecta al XS, si dices que este no tiene AP en tu escenario. 3. Cuando corres el comando: chkconfig dhcpd off Deshabilitas el servicio dhcp para las XO, que estas lo necesitan para conectarse al XS y registrarse. 4. Adicionalmente ya está disponible la versión 0.7[0] del XS que está basada en Centos 6 con el kernel de Fedora 15. [0] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software_0.7 Saludos -- German R S 2012/3/26 Fernando Paz fip...@gmail.com Hola lista. Tengo problemas con hacer funcionar el servidor XS. El escenario actual es sin access points y es así: INTERNET - Modem/Router -- Servidor XS Internet por medio de DSL Modem/Router 2wire modelo: 4011G Servidor XS versión: 0.6 Configuración: Modem/Router = DHCP activado, direcciónes = 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.252 Servidor = DHCP desactivado usando el comando chkconfig dhcpd off, dirección estática = 192.168.1.253 Configuracion de eth0 en servidor: To set a static address, copy or rename this file to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0-local and set the values below appropriately IPADDR=192.168.1.253 IPV6ADDR=2001:4830:2446:ff00::2/64 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 #NETWORK=18.85.46.0 #BROADCAST=18.85.46.255 GATEWAY=192.168.1.254 No logro entrar al servidor desde otra computadora ni registrar XO. Instale un escritorio grafico dentro del servidor para ver si en localhost y si funciona. El problema son las configuracion en el modem / router 2wire que no deja acceder al servidor desde otras maquinas... Lic. Fernando Paz Oficina de Innovación Gubernamental Perif. Pte. 138 / Navarrete y Colosio Tel. +52(662) 213-8119, 23, 25 fernando@sonora.gob.mx Hermosillo, Sonora. México www.oig.sonora.gob.mx Contact me: fernando.pazc Latest tweet: Inauguración en Baviacora del decimo CCA en #sonora @unnuevofuturo http://t.co/YIda66fs Follow @fernandopaz1 Reply Retweet 17:35 Mar-24 Get this email app! Want a signature like mine? Click here. ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Problemas con servidor xs
Hola John, gracias por responder. 2 . Si 802.11. Logro hacer ping del servidor a otras computadoras y ping así mismo. No logro hacer ping al servidor desde otras computadoras no logran pasar por el router. 3. Tengo entendido que si se puede lograr hacer de esta manera con un router, conectándose a la red del router y colocando en el navegador el dominio del servidor schoolserver.escuelax Por eso mi pregunta si alguien ya había utilizado este router 2wire 4011G... o en este caso si no se puede el porque... o si hay una lista de router que no son compatibles con el servidor XS y si el 2wire pertenece a esta lista .. El 26 de marzo de 2012 18:59, John Watlington w...@laptop.org escribió: On Mar 26, 2012, at 8:05 PM, German Ruiz wrote: Hola Fernando Tengo unas dudas: 2. Cuando quieres registrar una XO, esta cómo se conecta al XS, si dices que este no tiene AP en tu escenario. Tiene 802.11 el modem/router ? Si es verdad, cual es la dirección IP de la computadora con que logras al servidor ? Puedes ping al servidor ? 3. Cuando corres el comando: chkconfig dhcpd off Deshabilitas el servicio dhcp para las XO, que estas lo necesitan para conectarse al XS y registrarse. Actualmente, todavia pueden registrarse en este caso, pero necesitan que el nombre DNS schoolserver apunte al servidor. 4. Adicionalmente ya está disponible la versión 0.7[0] del XS que está basada en Centos 6 con el kernel de Fedora 15. [0] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software_0.7 Saludos -- German R S 2012/3/26 Fernando Paz fip...@gmail.com Hola lista. Tengo problemas con hacer funcionar el servidor XS. El escenario actual es sin access points y es así: INTERNET - Modem/Router -- Servidor XS Internet por medio de DSL Modem/Router 2wire modelo: 4011G Servidor XS versión: 0.6 Configuración: Modem/Router = DHCP activado, direcciónes = 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.252 Servidor = DHCP desactivado usando el comando chkconfig dhcpd off, dirección estática = 192.168.1.253 Configuracion de eth0 en servidor: To set a static address, copy or rename this file to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0-local and set the values below appropriately IPADDR=192.168.1.253 IPV6ADDR=2001:4830:2446:ff00::2/64 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 #NETWORK=18.85.46.0 #BROADCAST=18.85.46.255 GATEWAY=192.168.1.254 No logro entrar al servidor desde otra computadora ni registrar XO. Instale un escritorio grafico dentro del servidor para ver si en localhost y si funciona. El problema son las configuracion en el modem / router 2wire que no deja acceder al servidor desde otras maquinas... Lic. Fernando Paz Oficina de Innovación Gubernamental Perif. Pte. 138 / Navarrete y Colosio Tel. +52(662) 213-8119, 23, 25 fernando@sonora.gob.mx Hermosillo, Sonora. México www.oig.sonora.gob.mx Contact me: fernando.pazc Latest tweet: Inauguración en Baviacora del decimo CCA en #sonora @unnuevofuturo http://t.co/YIda66fs Follow @fernandopaz1 Reply Retweet 17:35 Mar-24 Get this email app! Want a signature like mine? Click here. ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel