Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
On 26/06/13 22:16, Tom Parker wrote: What is the best way to modify the laptops? Copying modified output of xkbcomp to /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/mi and running setxkbmap mi does the trick, but setting the content of /home/olpc/.Xkbmap to mi does not make this the default after reboot. There is a clue on the Manufacturing Data page on the olpc wiki, you need to modify /etc/sysconfig/keyboard and change the us to mi. So to recap, To create and install a new Maori keyboard using the maori.patch from my previous mail: xkbcomp $DISPLAY orig.xkb patch -p0 maori.patch sudo cp orig.xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/mi sudo vi /etc/sysconfig/keyboard in the last command change the XKBLAYOUT=us to mi. This isn't the right way to do it, but it works and is probably good enough for now. If the users like the layout we'll do what we need to do to get it into the build. Is Jerry's xs.custom http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/server-devel/2013-June/006510.html suitable for customizing an XO? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
resurrected XO-1.5, died again
I do not know for how long the toasted [1] XO-1.5 boards worked but my oven baked [2] board died again after 8 months of daily use and a guestimated 400+ hours. I do not know if this is long enough to justify the process (roughly half a school year worth, I would guess), but I thought to record it just the same. The XO-1.5 is by far, my favorite of the 3 models I have (1, 1.5, 1.75). Does it make any sense (safety considerations aside) to retry it? Any experience on that? Thanks Yioryos. [1] http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2011-August/032908.html [2] http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2012-October/036177.html ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC New Zealand] Māori Macrons olpc keyboard
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 07:35:03PM +1200, Tom Parker wrote: xkbcomp $DISPLAY orig.xkb patch -p0 maori.patch sudo cp orig.xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/mi sudo vi /etc/sysconfig/keyboard ... Is Jerry's xs.custom http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/server-devel/2013-June/006510.html suitable for customizing an XO? Yes. It would apply the changes you describe reasonably easily. (In my opinion the file name should have been HOWTO.xo-custom and that's how I'm merging this contribution from Jerry.) The XO must be unsecured, or the deployment keys must be used to sign the kernel and initrd files. Beware that unlike the original OLPC customisation stick, Tiny Core Linux is not a secure environment, and so if you find yourself signing make sure that the only reason you are doing it is for ease of use, not deployment security. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: GNOME on XO-1.75
On 01/07/13 19:55, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: Another little issue is that clicking on the scroll bar in epiphany (and also gedit and terminal) moves the page to the cursor instead of 1 page down. This is not happening in firefox. None of these is happening in the sugar side with browse terminal etc, so I'm not sure if they worth a ticket. This used to happen is sugar but stopped a few months ago. I don't know which build fixed it. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: resurrected XO-1.5, died again
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 12:53:47AM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: I do not know for how long the toasted [1] XO-1.5 boards worked but my oven baked [2] board died again after 8 months of daily use and a guestimated 400+ hours. I do not know if this is long enough to justify the process (roughly half a school year worth, I would guess), but I thought to record it just the same. Good data, thanks. The XO-1.5 is by far, my favorite of the 3 models I have (1, 1.5, 1.75). Does it make any sense (safety considerations aside) to retry it? It makes as much sense as it always did, I think. Given that you can't change the composition and position of the metals, the problem might still come back. You now have a chance to review your safety considerations too. I would not use the same oven for food ever again, for instance. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: resurrected XO-1.5, died again
- Original Message - From: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com Cc: OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: Re: resurrected XO-1.5, died again On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 12:53:47AM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: I do not know for how long the toasted [1] XO-1.5 boards worked but my oven baked [2] board died again after 8 months of daily use and a guestimated 400+ hours. I do not know if this is long enough to justify the process (roughly half a school year worth, I would guess), but I thought to record it just the same. Good data, thanks. The XO-1.5 is by far, my favorite of the 3 models I have (1, 1.5, 1.75). Does it make any sense (safety considerations aside) to retry it? It makes as much sense as it always did, I think. Given that you can't change the composition and position of the metals, the problem might still come back. I guess what I'm asking is that the original board was good for more than 2 years. After the reflow, lasted 8 months. Is a second reflow likely to last 8 months or 8 days (if at all)? Thx ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Significant Browse performance problem
In Build 3.2.0 for XO-4 (build 11) I have noticed a significant browse performance problem. On some pages, browse causes X to lock up for many seconds. The mouse pointer stops moving and you can see (if logged in via SSH) that X is consuming 80% of the cpu. https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Deployment_Guide/ch-The_sysconfig_Directory.html causes several many second freezes during it's loading. This does not occur with Browse 149.7 on XO-System 1a for XO-4 (build 34). I also noticed this with an earlier 3.2.0 build and google docs but didn't have time to report it then, based on that experience I believe this problem is a regression as google docs worked really well on XO-4 in past. I didn't find any obvious bugs, https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/12675 seems somewhat relevant but probably isn't something that has regressed. I think I saw this problem with the most recent XO-system 1a build 46 (is that the new name for dextrose??) earlier this evening, but I can no longer be sure. I have not tried to reproduce on XO-1.75. Sorry, not raising a ticket, must sleep. Also, Browse 153 (latest from aslo) fails to start on 13.2.0 build 11 with an ImportError: No module named progressicon. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: resurrected XO-1.5, died again
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. ;-) Oh, good. That clears it then. Thanks for the insight :-P Perhaps repeated torsion on the board is one of the factors at play. You may get a longer life out of it by ensuring that the unit is tightly assembled (specially the screen, which gives the unit a lot of its rigidity). If you use the unit with the screen attached with only a couple of screws, or those screws are not firmly screwed, the mobo is likely to be getting more than its fair share of torsion. All the main frame deserves a good tight assembly. One question that I have in my mind is: assuming Yioryos' unit has only glue in the corners of the CPU, does it make sense to add some glue with a melting glue stick around the perimeter of the CPU casing? [ I suspect the answer is no; the cheap melting glue sticks are entirely unlike the glue used around the perimeter of the CPU... ] cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first ~ http://docs.moodle.org/en/User:Martin_Langhoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: GNOME on XO-1.75
- Original Message - The crash in X is certainly worth a ticket. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/12717 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: GNOME on XO-1.75
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: Another little issue is that clicking on the scroll bar in epiphany (and also gedit and terminal) moves the page to the cursor instead of 1 page down. This was a GNOME design decision. It is configurable somewhere. You don't see that happen on the Sugar side since we explicitly request the other behaviour. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: GNOME on XO-1.75
- Original Message - From: Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com Cc: OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 7:38 PM Subject: Re: GNOME on XO-1.75 On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: Another little issue is that clicking on the scroll bar in epiphany (and also gedit and terminal) moves the page to the cursor instead of 1 page down. This was a GNOME design decision. It is configurable somewhere. You don't see that happen on the Sugar side since we explicitly request the other behaviour. would it be possible to be a bit more specific or point to the Sugar change? Thx Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: GNOME on XO-1.75
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: Another little issue ... Speaking of Epiphany, can a hme page be set? Since buying this 1.5 which now has 12.1.0, I've relied upon a bookmark for the home page. No answer in forum. Thanks,... Peter E. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: resurrected XO-1.5, died again
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 11:16:29AM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes. ;-) Oh, good. That clears it then. Thanks for the insight :-P Perhaps repeated torsion on the board is one of the factors at play. You may get a longer life out of it by ensuring that the unit is tightly assembled (specially the screen, which gives the unit a lot of its rigidity). I agree. I'd go further ... don't open and close the lid, don't throw it around, and don't give it to a child. (We're talking about a known defect here that affects a very small number of laptops, http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10314 ) Give it a nice easy life sitting on a desk. Retire to pasture before heading to the knackery. If you use the unit with the screen attached with only a couple of screws, or those screws are not firmly screwed, the mobo is likely to be getting more than its fair share of torsion. All the main frame deserves a good tight assembly. I agree. I've found laptops with looser-than-i-would-like hinge and motherboard screws after children have been using them. The hinge screws that are uncovered by disassembly were the most interesting. One question that I have in my mind is: assuming Yioryos' unit has only glue in the corners of the CPU, does it make sense to add some glue with a melting glue stick around the perimeter of the CPU casing? [ I suspect the answer is no; the cheap melting glue sticks are entirely unlike the glue used around the perimeter of the CPU... ] No idea ... but a good way to prove the method is to do it to 100 units and then study the results after accelerated life testing on a shaker platform. ;-) -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: GNOME on XO-1.75
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 12:39:15PM -0600, Peter Easthope wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: Another little issue ... Speaking of Epiphany, can a hme page be set? Since buying this 1.5 which now has 12.1.0, I've relied upon a bookmark for the home page. No answer in forum. No. I've tried on 13.2.0. I followed the instructions for customising epiphany found here: https://help.gnome.org/users/epiphany/stable/ephy-customize.html.en ... but the Preferences dialog, General tab, has no section called Home page. On the other hand, there's no Home button on the toolbar. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re (2): GNOME on XO-1.75
From: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 09:39:11 +1000 ... but the Preferences dialog, General tab, has no section called Home page. On the other hand, there's no Home button on the toolbar. Thanks James, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 Bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca http://carnot.yi.org/ http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/index.html#Itinerary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: resurrected XO-1.5, died again
On Jul 1, 2013, at 6:24 PM, James Cameron wrote: I agree. I've found laptops with looser-than-i-would-like hinge and motherboard screws after children have been using them. The hinge screws that are uncovered by disassembly were the most interesting. There was a problem with the manufacturing process which resulted in some of the externally accessible hinge screws being cross-threaded or not fully tightened on the assembly line. This process has been changed, but will require future monitoring. wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] HOWTO.xs-custom
Thanks. I've merged this with mktinycorexo and pushed it, changing the name to HOWTO.xo-custom. When shall we see an XSCE with installing steps much shorter than http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Holt/XS_Community_Edition/0.4/Installing ? Several steps can be automated: - turn off power management, - install the xs-config-xo package, - preload the yum cache for the xs-setup, -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
[Server-devel] Installing XSCE on XO-1
Hello, Can anyone confirm that XSCE 0.3 has been successfully installed on an XO-1? If so, the starting point would be installing 31036o0.img (not .zd) onto an external 8GB+ SD card? We want to try this here in rural PNG but need to be sure as it is a long job with the downloading Oh yes, we tried to prepare an XO-1 as per the instructions on the wiki (installing the os on an SD card) but failed at the first step - we can't get a developer key for the XO because activation.laptop.org uses an invalid security certificate (Error code sec_error_expired_issuer_certificate). How can we get the developer key? We don't have any unlocked XOs available... (we checked the date/time on the XO was correct) David Leeming Leeming Consulting, P.O. Box 652, Honiara, Solomon Islands Tel: +677 747-6396 (m) 24419 (h) www.leeming-consulting.com ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Installing XSCE on XO-1
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:56 AM, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: Hello, Can anyone confirm that XSCE 0.3 has been successfully installed on an XO-1? Sadly no. Anna spent many hours of tweaking trying to get a 0.3 to run on a XO-1. But we didn't make it in time for the feature freeze. If so, the starting point would be installing 31036o0.img (not .zd) onto an external 8GB+ SD card? We want to try this here in rural PNG but need to be sure as it is a long job with the downloading Agreed. There is a git branch for running on the XO-1 that _should_ land in time for 0.4. As soon as it lands, I'll test it and let you know how it works. Oh yes, we tried to prepare an XO-1 as per the instructions on the wiki (installing the os on an SD card) but failed at the first step – we can’t get a developer key for the XO because “activation.laptop.org uses an invalid security certificate” (Error code sec_error_expired_issuer_certificate). How can we get the developer key? We don’t have any unlocked XOs available... (we checked the date/time on the XO was correct) Any OLPC folks in the room who can help with this? David Leeming Leeming Consulting, P.O. Box 652, Honiara, Solomon Islands Tel: +677 747-6396 (m) 24419 (h) www.leeming-consulting.com ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Installing XSCE on XO-1
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 08:56:06PM +1000, David Leeming wrote: Oh yes, we tried to prepare an XO-1 as per the instructions on the wiki (installing the os on an SD card) but failed at the first step – we can’t get a developer key for the XO because “activation.laptop.org uses an invalid security certificate” (Error code sec_error_expired_issuer_certificate). How can we get the developer key? We don’t have any unlocked XOs available... (we checked the date/time on the XO was correct) I've mailed David Leeming directly. Summary: this is a known problem, an incompatibility between old operating system and activation.laptop.org, solution is to install 13.1.0 first. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
