KQED: In Oakland, Mixed Results for Tech In Schools
There is no mention of OLPC or Sugar, but I think it's good background info as well as a good news story. http://www.californiareport.org/archive/R201311011630/b The audio is 6 minutes. For those of you not familiar with Oakland, they have lots of troubles, close to Detroit, and the schools have their share of the problems. They talked to two schools. One thumbs up. One thumbs down due to WiFi overload. (That wasn't the only problem, but it was fatal.) The link at the bottom to more/full-story is good too. It looks like a transcript, but it's not accurate. The first half is close but the second half diverges a lot. There are lots of links. Time sink warning if you follow a good one. The Mind/Shift blog has lots of good stuff. "Blended learning" seems to be a buzzword. Anybody know anything about the Christensen Institute for Disruptive Innovation? http://www.christenseninstitute.org/honoring-clayton-christensen-with-new-name -emboldened-mission/ He teaches at Harvard Business School. His book, The Innovator's Dilemma, is famous in the high-tech world. (It's very good. I haven't read any of his other books.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Christensen -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.
Flavio, Would be good have concrete proposals about what you think can be improved, to be discussed point by point. About a easier implementation of collaboration, we discussed a proposal, and I think Agustin started a implementation. Gonzalo On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Flavio Danesse wrote: > Excuse me butting in this talk , but as they are addressing the issue of > design, I think it's a good time to reiterate some proposals I have made > several times. > > I think Sugar would do very well a change in appearance and in some cases > functionality. I say it should be graphically attractive to users and some > operational details should be improved. > > Is that there are a theoretical foundation behind the Sugar GUI , however I > think it should be revised to give more importance to aesthetics. > > From the point of view of functionality , I think there are small graphical > details that make it look that works very slow sugar such as how options are > displayed implementation of activities in the home view . > I think it should be changes to the user experience more enjoyable in this > regard. > > To be more clear: I mean that the user has a cute sight and efficient > execution. > > Other complexing functionalities require more work and knowledge, such as in > the case of the shared network. It would be good to improve the code so that > the developer only activities need to call two or three sugar api functions > to get the functionality of the network share from my point of view is one > of the best things that has sugar , but unfortunately it complicated and > confusing when using this feature in applications. > > > Disculpen que me entrometa en esta charla, pero como están tratando el tema > de diseño, creo que es un buen momento para reiterar algunas propuestas que > he hecho en varias oportunidades. > > Pienso que a Sugar le haría muy bien un cambio de apariencia y en algunos > casos de funcionalidad. Yo digo que gráficamente debiera ser más atractiva > para los usuarios y algunos detalles de funcionamiento debieran ser > mejorados. > > Se que hay toda una fundamentación teórica detrás de la interfaz gráfica de > sugar, sin embargo pienso que debe ser revisada, para darle más importancia > a la estética. > > Desde el punto de vista de la funcionalidad, creo que hay pequeños detalles > gráficos que hacen que parezca que sugar funciona muy lento como por ejemplo > la forma en que se despliegan las opciones de ejecución de las actividades > en la vista hogar. > Pienso que debieran hacerse cambios para que la experiencia del usuario sea > más agradable en este sentido. > > Para ser más claro: me refiero a que el usuario tenga un sistema lindo a la > vista y eficiente en la ejecución. > > Otras funcionalidades más complejas requieren más trabajo y conocimiento, > como en el caso de la red compartida. Sería bueno mejorar ese código para > que el desarrollador de actividades solo necesite llamar a dos o tres > funciones del api de sugar para obtener la funcionalidad de la red > compartida que desde mi punto de vista es una de las mejores cosas que tiene > sugar, pero lamentablemente es complicado y confuso a la hora de utilizar > esta característica en las aplicaciones. > > > > 2013/11/1 James Cameron >> >> On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 10:12:52PM +0100, Daniel Narvaez wrote: >> > I think we are still very early in the life of the web activities >> > framework. I can't think of a single API that we could consider set >> > in stones. >> >> Thanks, correction accepted. I was speculating. >> >> -- >> James Cameron >> http://quozl.linux.org.au/ >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [support-gang] can wiki.laptop.org not do sortable tables?
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:05 PM, James Cameron wrote: > I've checked. > > For Releases, the Semantic Wiki plugin emits HTML with a call to > SMW_sortable.js, and the table has a class of smwtable which > implements the sort. > > For other tables, the click on the sort button is causing a JavaScript > console error: > > ReferenceError: ts_sort_caseinsensitive is not defined > > Indeed, there is no such function. Perhaps FGrose removed it? I see > this in the JavaScript Debugger for wiki.laptop.org index.php line > 1005: > > /** Collapsible tables > * > 10Nov2009 [[User:FGrose]] Deleted this second copy of the code that was > causing two [hide]/[show] >buttons to appear in the table header. > */ > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ Thanks for the reminder James. I've removed the old table sorting code from Common.js [1], and the problem is now fixed. (Table sorting has been part of the core mediawiki for some time now.) [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ACommon.js&diff=293539&oldid=223644 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: can wiki.laptop.org not do sortable tables?
I've checked. For Releases, the Semantic Wiki plugin emits HTML with a call to SMW_sortable.js, and the table has a class of smwtable which implements the sort. For other tables, the click on the sort button is causing a JavaScript console error: ReferenceError: ts_sort_caseinsensitive is not defined Indeed, there is no such function. Perhaps FGrose removed it? I see this in the JavaScript Debugger for wiki.laptop.org index.php line 1005: /** Collapsible tables * 10Nov2009 [[User:FGrose]] Deleted this second copy of the code that was causing two [hide]/[show] buttons to appear in the table header. */ -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 10:12:52PM +0100, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > I think we are still very early in the life of the web activities > framework. I can't think of a single API that we could consider set > in stones. Thanks, correction accepted. I was speculating. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.
On 1 November 2013 22:09, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 1 November 2013 21:59, James Cameron wrote: > >> Use this phase of the process as an opportunity for you and your >> people to practice communicating with other developers in the >> community; and measure the effort in the design process, not the >> achievements. >> >> > +1 > > >> > In the first couple of weeks, I expect that this will mostly involve >> > creating web activities to build familiarity the the technologies >> > and API's. The return value to Sugar Labs will be testing and >> > feedback about the current web activities framework. >> >> I'm worried that it is quite late in the life of the web activities >> framework for this feedback, but better late than never. >> > > I think we are still veary > Sorry, keyboard acting up. I think we are still very early in the life of the web activities framework. I can't think of a single API that we could consider set in stones. -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.
On 1 November 2013 21:59, James Cameron wrote: > Use this phase of the process as an opportunity for you and your > people to practice communicating with other developers in the > community; and measure the effort in the design process, not the > achievements. > > +1 > > In the first couple of weeks, I expect that this will mostly involve > > creating web activities to build familiarity the the technologies > > and API's. The return value to Sugar Labs will be testing and > > feedback about the current web activities framework. > > I'm worried that it is quite late in the life of the web activities > framework for this feedback, but better late than never. > I think we are still veary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.
p.s. it is good that you are being transparent with your decisions, because that gives you a chance to have them publically reviewed. ;-) On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 12:04:11PM -0500, David Farning wrote: > Thanks for the update. Currently, AC does not have the credibility to > participate in the design process. To not participate in the design process is entirely your decision, but, if you'll accept my advice, your reasoning for the decision is flawed! Credibility is not what you think it is. For technical design and feature specification in the Sugar Labs community, organisational credibility is not required. It is the technical input that is valuable. Sugar Labs has received valuable input from a range of credibilities, including bright young children, teachers of children, and crusty old engineers like me. And if you do think organisational credibility is required, that begs the question of why ... is it that you expect your technical input to be swayed by your credibility? Surely not. Don't hold the community to ransom for your technical input, just give it, give it early, and give it often. > Let's give it 2-3 months for AC's R&D team learning how to work > effectively with the HTML5+JS team at SL. Use this phase of the process as an opportunity for you and your people to practice communicating with other developers in the community; and measure the effort in the design process, not the achievements. > In the first couple of weeks, I expect that this will mostly involve > creating web activities to build familiarity the the technologies > and API's. The return value to Sugar Labs will be testing and > feedback about the current web activities framework. I'm worried that it is quite late in the life of the web activities framework for this feedback, but better late than never. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
can wiki.laptop.org not do sortable tables?
The "sort" buttons on the top of each column don't work here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Community_Edition/Features Nor do stock examples like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table/Sortable_tables Any idea why? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Releases is inspiring but doesn't provide any immediate answers :} -- Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org ! ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.
Thanks for the update. Currently, AC does not have the credibility to participate in the design process. Let's give it 2-3 months for AC's R&D team learning how to work effectively with the HTML5+JS team at SL. In the first couple of weeks, I expect that this will mostly involve creating web activities to build familiarity the the technologies and API's. The return value to Sugar Labs will be testing and feedback about the current web activities framework. On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 29 October 2013 20:29, David Farning > wrote: >> >> Phase two -- Let's look at lessons learned from other projects. We can >> focus on the road map and product specification. From my experience, >> these two piece can provide an anchor for the rest of the project: >> 1. The act of sitting down and hashing out the roadmap and project >> specification causes everyone to sit back and assess their individual >> priorities and goals and how they fit into the project as a whole. >> 2. The act of deciding which items are above the line and which are >> below the line, which are targeted for this release and which are >> pushed to a future release, help find the balance between what is >> possible some day and what is probable in X months of work with >> existing resources. >> 3. Sitting back and preparing for a release forces us to asses what is >> good enough for release what is not. It is a good feedback loop. >> 4. Finally, after a successful release everyone can sit back bask is >> the satisfaction that maybe we didn't save the world... but we make >> enough progress that it is worth getting up again tomorrow and doing >> it all again. > > > Hi David, > > I just started a thread about 0.102 focus and features. If you want to get > involved defining the upstream roadmap there is your chance! For 0.100 we > kept that very very simple, a short list of new features basically. But if > you want to contribute with a product specification I think that would be > awesome. > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Re: Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
Hi James, Sure ! Thanks for your answer, I've replied to the wrong list :-) Lionel. Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:47:30 +1100 > From: James Cameron > To: devel@lists.laptop.org > Subject: Re: Sugar 0.100.0 (stable) > Message-ID: <20131101114730.gb14...@us.netrek.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > No such thing as XO 1.0, but there's an XO-1. ;-) > > OLPC is not currently producing new public builds for XO laptop, the > latest build is 13.2.0-13. > > I'm not aware of a Sugar 0.100 test image for XO-1, but sugar-devel@ > would be the best place to ask, as testing has been discussed quite a > bit there. > > On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 11:01:22AM +0100, Lionel Lask? wrote: > > > > Great ! Thanks a lot. > > Just downloaded it and installed it on a XO 1.5. > > Is there also an existing test image for XO 1.0 ? > > > > ?? Lionel. > > > > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Thanks
Thanks to you, John. The XOs wouldn't exist without your work! Gonzalo On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:16 AM, John Watlington wrote: > > Since I finally mentioned that OLPC and I had parted ways in an earlier > email, I really need to thank the OLPC community for providing me > with the opportunity to work with you for the past seven years. > > Reuben continues to provide outstanding deployment support for all XO laptops, > and I will still be available online for questions and deep support issues. > > Cheers, > wad > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
No such thing as XO 1.0, but there's an XO-1. ;-) OLPC is not currently producing new public builds for XO laptop, the latest build is 13.2.0-13. I'm not aware of a Sugar 0.100 test image for XO-1, but sugar-devel@ would be the best place to ask, as testing has been discussed quite a bit there. On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 11:01:22AM +0100, Lionel Laské wrote: > > Great ! Thanks a lot. > Just downloaded it and installed it on a XO 1.5. > Is there also an existing test image for XO 1.0 ? > > Lionel. > > > 2013/11/1 > > > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 01:45:01 +0100 > From: Daniel Narvaez > To: "sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org" > , iaep < > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org>, > OLPC Devel > Subject: Sugar 0.100.0 (stable) > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello, > > we are proud to announce the release of Sugar 0.100.0. A lot is new for > both users and developers, see the release notes > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Notes > > Sources: > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/ > sugar-datastore-0.100.0.tar.xz > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/ > sugar-artwork-0.100.0.tar.xz > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/ > sugar-runner-0.100.0.tar.xz > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/ > sugar-0.100.1.tar.xz > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/ > sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.100.0.tar.xz > > Thanks to everyone that contributed with code, translations and testing! > > -- > Daniel Narvaez > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/attachments/20131101/f9d40878 > /attachment-0001.html> > > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Sugar 0.100.0 (stable)
Great ! Thanks a lot. Just downloaded it and installed it on a XO 1.5. Is there also an existing test image for XO 1.0 ? Lionel. 2013/11/1 > > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 01:45:01 +0100 > From: Daniel Narvaez > To: "sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org" > , iaep < > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org>, > OLPC Devel > Subject: Sugar 0.100.0 (stable) > Message-ID: > < > canthhvbdqqssxj0w-5htbigzqcaycixm_cq6bxrsmb-i7nl...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello, > > we are proud to announce the release of Sugar 0.100.0. A lot is new for > both users and developers, see the release notes > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Notes > > Sources: > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.100.0.tar.xz > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.100.0.tar.xz > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.100.0.tar.xz > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.100.1.tar.xz > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.100.0.tar.xz > > Thanks to everyone that contributed with code, translations and testing! > > -- > Daniel Narvaez > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/attachments/20131101/f9d40878/attachment-0001.html > > > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
