Re: Prohibition of binaries
But just to be clear,end users (ie children) can also download and run new non
original binaries if they so choose?
- Original Message -
From: Michael Burns
To: Chris Ball
Cc: Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: Prohibition of binaries
To elaborate.. :)
On Dec 8, 2007 11:57 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Someone mentioned that there will be (or already is?) a prohibition
on loading any binaries
This is (I assume) some ill-informed hand-waving about Bitfrost, the security
specification. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Bitfrost
We use binaries all the time. our web browser uses the gecko rendering engine
from Firefox and Mozilla.
and that all custom content must be Python
Most custom content, when possible, is written in Python. This is a technical
choice, as well as consistency choice. Children that want to contribute need to
learn only 1 language (and an excellent learning language we have in Python).
Most activities and Sugar, the interface of the OLPC, is written in python, for
instance.
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Prohibition of binaries
Someone mentioned that there will be (or already is?) a prohibition on loading any binaries and that all custom content must be Python and only Python? Is this true? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: WSJ
Classmate and OLPC was on CNN (Europe) today in Nigeria. No mention of this - but compared Classmate and OLPC and showed schools in use. Slightly more coverage on Classmate - and compared not so much hardware and software but strategies of use, etc. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC's ready for delivery
How long does it take to hear back? I submitted a request last week IIRC.
- Original Message -
From: Gerard J. Cerchio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: OLPC's ready for delivery
Michael Burns wrote:
On Nov 28, 2007 5:18 PM, Gerard J. Cerchio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just got the email announcing that the G1G1 will arrive before
XMAS eve.
Is it possible that the technically adept could get a machine
sooner so
I can participate in the release debug?
You are welcome to apply to the Developer's Program.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers_program#How_to_apply_for_an_XO
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers_program#How_to_apply_for_an_XO
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Gerard,
We are very short of systems right now (production ramp is just
starting), so must decline your request.
- Jim Gettys
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 08:48 -0700, Gerard J. Cerchio wrote:
1. Name
Gerard J. Cerchio
2. Email address
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
3. Employer (if any), University/College
CircleSoft Llc.
4. Shipping address and instructions
Gerard J. Cerchio
875 La Playa #479
San Francisco, CA 94121
USA
+1 (415) 387-0367
5. any special instructions
none
6. Quantity of machines desired
1
7. Description of your plans for the machine(s). Concrete proposals
with defined
outcomes are much more likely to result in a system than it would
be cool to play
with these and demo them.
I wish to donate time to the debug effort. I can assure 10
hours a week minimum between now and January 1, 2008. I am
particular interested in the hardware driver debug effort and
networking, but am willing to be directed to any area of need.
8. Description of your experience, both with hardware and software
I have been a computer system developer for the past 30 years
at CircleSoft Llc
I was the system architect/implementor for the Jhai PC,
another 3rd world PC effort with telephony
I have recent Linux wireless driver development experience
I have much experience with design and implementation of
mobile computer systems
I have hardware experience ranging from system integration to
ASIC design
I was a member of the UNIX kernel team at Bell Labs in the
1970's
I work with Debian, RedHat, Ubuntu and FreeBSD on a daily
basis
I wrote a file system that runs under Linux, FreeBSD, and
Solaris.
I am a community oriented ISP OB1Net www.ob1net.net
For more details please see the attached PDF file
Thank you for your consideration.
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- Original Message -
From: Gerard J. Cerchio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: OLPC's ready for delivery
Michael Burns wrote:
On Nov 28, 2007 5:18 PM, Gerard J. Cerchio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just got the email announcing that the G1G1 will arrive before
XMAS eve.
Is it possible that the technically adept could get a machine
sooner so
I can participate in the release debug?
You are welcome to apply to the Developer's Program.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers_program#How_to_apply_for_an_XO
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developers_program#How_to_apply_for_an_XO
--
Michael Burns * Student
Open Source {Education} Lab
Gerard,
We are very short of systems right now (production ramp is just
starting), so must decline your request.
- Jim Gettys
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 08:48 -0700, Gerard J. Cerchio wrote:
1. Name
Gerard J. Cerchio
2. Email address
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
3. Employer (if any), University/College
CircleSoft Llc.
4. Shipping address and instructions
Gerard J. Cerchio
875 La Playa #479
San Francisco, CA 94121
USA
+1 (415) 387-0367
5. any special instructions
none
6. Quantity of machines desired
1
7. Description of your plans for the machine(s). Concrete proposals
with defined
outcomes are much more likely to result in a system than it would
be cool to play
with these and demo them.
I wish to donate time to the debug effort. I can assure 10
hours a week minimum between now and January 1, 2008. I am
particular interested in the hardware driver debug effort and
networking, but am willing to be directed to any area of need.
8. Description of your
Re: GTK widgets in C# was: Re: WSJ
Im already working on this. Im working on it in a way though to run more effficiently than running as a normal JIT and instead working on a compiler of IL that can use the mono libs. We already have quite a bit working. - Original Message - From: Scott Cytacki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Torello Querci [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: GTK widgets in C# was: Re: WSJ Torello Querci wrote: If you're interested in supporting Mono on the OLPC, I can create a wiki where I'll put the code I've already written, because at this time I'm working alone. I am interested in supporting Mono on the OLPC. One thing I've wanted to try is running all of Sugar with IronPython. This ought to give C#, Java (through IKVM), and any other mono language: http://www.mono-project.com/Languages full access to the Sugar widgets and APIs. I don't have time to try this now, but when I or someone else does, it would be helpful to know what is necessary to run Mono. Scott ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Status of the OLPC
Thanks for your help. Ok, that works in VMWare! And VMWare is much faster than QEMU... I'll post a blog how to easily get it running in VMWare for others. How can I tell what build it is so I can reference from xxx and up etc? Also what are all the other img files? How to know what is what? - Original Message - From: Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:33 AM Subject: Re: Status of the OLPC On 11/23/07 19:24, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: Ok I assume Latest symlink it he one I want - but there are a bunch of img files... any pointers on what they all are or which one I want? This one should be ok: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/latest/devel_ext3/olpc-redhat-stream-joyride-devel_ext3.img.bz2 -- \___/ |___| Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: Status of the OLPC
Yes! There has been a 'Real Soon Now' mini-project to streamline and improve the emulation builds. Sugar-jhbuild has been (and can be How can I get involved in this? VMWare/Parrallels/VirtualPC/Bochs/QEMU is the best way we can reach them. I won't say I know when these changes will land, but I assume I have a RAID 0 system with 4 GB RAM and dual core @ 4.0 GHz. And in QEMU is pretty slow. I haven't installed acceleration layer, but still... We really need to have ready to go VMWare images etc. I tried to make it run in VMWare, but it was a no go so far. This is the idea, just no one has had the time to dedicate to 1. report what isn't working in emulation and 2. finding ways to streamline the process. Well aside from what I reported - VMWare. I haven't dug, but I made it, and IIRC it just hung on boot... actually just tried again. It boots, I get to an all white screen with a black x that I can move with the mouse And then no where. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Status of the OLPC
Ok I assume Latest symlink it he one I want - but there are a bunch of img files... any pointers on what they all are or which one I want? - Original Message - From: Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:12 AM Subject: Re: Status of the OLPC On 11/23/07 19:02, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: Yep. Sound is on. That was a separate bug, which I also logged and found in qemu... Maybe I need a newer build? Pointers on getting latest builds as img files? They are (temporarily) available from here: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/ -- \___/ |___| Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Status of the OLPC
VMWare Server is free - as is Virtual PC. Im quite familiar with both (I prefer VMWare). Ill be more than happy to help create and maintain such projects around the image. The problem with VMWare I posted just recently, it boots and I get to a white screen with a black x which responds to mouse movement, but nothing ever goes beyond this. Is there any more information I might be able to glean from it for you? - Original Message - From: Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Michael Burns' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; devel@lists.laptop.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: Re: Status of the OLPC On 11/23/07 05:18, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: Will the emulation Builds be improved? Emulation seems a great way to involve more people, but we should have some better way. It seems many builds don't work out of the box and most require a bit of tweaking to run. Id like to see an option where we have ready to go Bochs/VMWare/VPC whatever images for people to see. I think this would go a long way I'll even volunteer to help. I've been fixing a few simple bugs with the emulation images in joyride. I only tested with qemu because I don't have VMware or virtual PC. I believe that if we want to grow a larger developer community, we should give more attention to the emulation images. Please, report emulation specific bugs in trac and, optionally, assign them to me. I'll try to fix them myself or reassign them to the right people. -- \___/ |___| Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \___\ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Emulation issue
I looked at the lists, don't really see a more appropriate one. I've downloaded the image for 611 and booted it with qemu. It came up, asked me for my name, select a color etc. Then a while after that I get an X with an arrow, it waits a minute, jumps to console, some error appears, and it reboots. Then I get the x with the arrow, and repeat, over and over Any way I can see the error? It reboots too quickly for me to read it. And has anyone else seen anything like this? -- Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Programming is an art form that fights back http://www.KudzuWorld.com/ http://www.Woo-Hoo.net/ http://www.DelphiToDotNet.com/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: Emulation issue
Thanks, but didn't help. Is it because I don't have sound in qemu? I caught the error by running snagit and capturing the screen right between reboots. (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable expected keysm, got guillemontleft, line 823 of us expected keysm, got guillemontleft, line 823 of us expected keysm, got guillemontleft, line 824 of us expected keysm, got guillemontleft, line 824 of us (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument /home/olpc/.xinitrc: line 7: respeclaration: command not found /home/olpc/.xinitrc: line 8: respeclaration: command not found /home/olpc/.xinitrc: line 10: respeclaration: command not found /home/olpc/.xinitrc: line 11: respeclaration: command not found SetClientVersion: 0 9 ** (sugar-shell: 1957): CRITICAL **: _wrap_gst_mixer_list_tracks: assertion `GST_IS_MICSER (self-obj) failed Traceback (most recent call last): File /user/bin/sugar-shell, line 144, in module hw_manager.startup() self.set_volume(profile.sound_volume) if not self._mixer or not self_master AttributeError: 'HardwareManager' objects has no attribute '_master' -- Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Programming is an art form that fights back http://www.KudzuWorld.com/ http://www.Woo-Hoo.net/ http://www.DelphiToDotNet.com/ -Original Message- From: NoiseEHC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:22 PM To: Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: Emulation issue It is because the network settings are bad. If you are using Qemu Manager (recommended) you have to delete the default network card setting on the VM image properties (third property page, Network) and include the following on the last property page (Specify Optional Command Parameters): -net user -net nic,model=rtl8139 Hope that helps. Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: I looked at the lists, don't really see a more appropriate one. I've downloaded the image for 611 and booted it with qemu. It came up, asked me for my name, select a color etc. Then a while after that I get an X with an arrow, it waits a minute, jumps to console, some error appears, and it reboots. Then I get the x with the arrow, and repeat, over and over Any way I can see the error? It reboots too quickly for me to read it. And has anyone else seen anything like this? -- Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Programming is an art form that fights back http://www.KudzuWorld.com/ http://www.Woo-Hoo.net/ http://www.DelphiToDotNet.com/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: Emulation issue
Thanks, but didn't help. Is it because I don't have sound in qemu? I caught the error by running snagit and capturing the screen right between reboots. It was sound. Added -soundhw all And now it runs. a) Shouldn't it pause for someone to be able to see the error message? b) Why does it just keep rebooting on such an error? Is that intentional? c) Why does sound kill it? If sound isn't there, why cant it run anyways? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
