RE: [sugar] The XO laptop gets a Windows makeover

2008-10-26 Thread Martin Edmund Sevior

Hi Albert,
 I think you're totally wrong with respect to windows and 
collaboration. It has *NOTHING* like sugars collaborative capabilities. What 
program allows allows two children to start jointly writing a document with two 
clicks on a mouse?

Cheers

Martin



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Albert Cahalan
Sent: Mon 10/27/2008 10:09 AM
snip

Sugar isn't helped when people shout down any criticism.
Living in denial about the competition just leads to failure.
I'm far from a fan of Windows, but it gets many things right.

If you think booting both into Sugar would have helped Sugar,
then you obviously haven't seen the collaboration capabilities
of Windows. Booting both into Windows would allow file sharing.
Compared to what Sugar does, file sharing is very reliable.
It works with **all** programs, without any developer effort.
It's compatible between different software versions, different
types of software, and even different OSes. It even eliminates
the need to maintain a continuous network connection, which is
great for kids without wired networks or reliable electricity.
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RE: [sugar] Programming environments on the XO

2008-07-31 Thread Martin Edmund Sevior



-Original Message-
From: Eben Eliason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 7/31/2008 2:29 AM
To: Tomeu Vizoso
Cc: Martin Edmund Sevior; Walter Bender; OLPC Development; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
Chris Ball; Sugar Mailing List
Subject: Re: [sugar] Programming environments on the XO
 
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Martin Sevior [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:50 +1000, Martin Sevior wrote:
  On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 23:32 -0400, Brian Jordan wrote:
   The open source project Gobby also uses this sort of who-wrote-what
   text highlighting, SJ and I have recently (right before he left for
   Wikimania) been looking into getting similar functionality on the XO.
   Having this highlighting integrated with Write would be fantastic.
  
 
  OK Guys, I get the message :-) I'll look to see how this can be enabled
  by default in the most UI-easy way possible.
 
 
  OK Guys,
 Your wish is my command.
 
  See:
 
  http://msevior.livejournal.com/2008/07/29/

 Awesome, anybody would like to expose this functionality in Write?
 Should be quite easy, but may involve adding API to abiwidget.


The original mockups for Write have been waiting for this moment to arrive.
For the reference of any who dare to take on the task (The button being
clicked is a Highlight text by author button):
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Activity_write_view.jpg


Thanks Tomeu and Eben. Yes, we'll need to expand the abiwidget api. I'll look 
to do this if I can can get sugar-jhbuild to work again.

BTW for those who recommend we abandon sugar-jhbuild, I definitely disagree. 
You definitely always want the fastest machine you can get for development work 
and for all it's problems, sugar-jhbuild gives the best way to get an up to the 
second snapshot of the development trees everywhere.

Of course activities require regular testing on the xo hardware, which is now 
much more available. After I tried out Write on a B2 back in 2007 I realised 
that many speedups and optimizations were needed to get decent performance.

Martin Sevior



 Thanks a lot,

 Tomeu
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RE: [sugar] [Community-news] where is Walter?

2008-04-22 Thread Martin Edmund Sevior

I've stayed away from this discussion until now. But for my own part, if the 
OLPC becomes just another laptop running standard educational software of the 
kind that inhabits my daughters primary school, I'm no longer interested in the 
project.

I really bought into the new paradigm of pervasive collaboration and 
constructionist education. I'm not particularly interested in a cheap laptop 
clone and in any case I guess my own work on Write and abicollab will be 
ditched for some stripped down version of MS Word.

It would nice to know if this is the new vision or not. If it is the new vision 
I can stop wasting my time here.

Martin Sevior


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Stephen John Smoogen
Sent: Wed 4/23/2008 1:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: sugar; devel-list; Walter Bender; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [sugar] [Community-news] where is Walter?
 
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Stephen John Smoogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Chris Preimesberger
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Walter, you have been a shining light of good information for all this
time, and it's sad to see you pull away from the project.  Sad to see
the project melting away, too -- at least that's my impression.
  

  One standard thing I have seen is that every project goes through
  these cycles. Developers/leaders leave a company, project or group
  and the people who identified the project with those people post that
  the project as shriveling up and dying. I remember people saying
  this of Debian, early Linux kernel development, Red Hat, SuSE, GNOME,
  KDE, etc. Sometimes its true, but mostly its a gut reaction because
  our brains are wired to identify with 'leaders' for our survival. If
  our leaders leave the tribe.. we should go with them. Its a deep urge
  we all have but it is rarely rooted in 'reality' but in the minds way
  of coming up with 'reasons'.

  I am just commenting on this because its something I have seen over
  and over again with companies, projects, and groups.. and it
  interested me why one day I was all happy to be working for a company
  and 2 days later was ready to leave because it was going to crap when
  a developer I worked under left.

  The big thing I learned was that companies, projects, groups, etc
  change constantly, and people who thrive under some conditions
  deteriorate under others.. and have to leave. And when that happens,
  there are a lot of psychological shifts in the group where other
  people stay and leave because various 'leaders' stayed or left.. in
  some cases you end up with large scisms where people will no longer
  talk with each other, and in other cases you have people agreeing to
  disagree on where each group is going.


On the other hand, comments from the AP article can make me eat crow :)

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hXa0O9XLMsWfaqt-sI9FqFy2IewgD9074MH82

For about a year, however, Microsoft has been working to get a
slimmed-down version of Windows to run on XO laptops. As a result,
Negroponte said Tuesday that he expects XOs to soon have a dual-boot
option, meaning users would be able to run Windows or Sugar.

One current hang-up is whether the necessary hardware would add $7 to
$12 to an XO's cost, taking the project even further away from its
eventual goal of producing the machines for less than $100.
Eventually, Negroponte added, Windows might be the sole operating
system, and Sugar would be educational software running on top of it.


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen. -- CSIRT/Linux System Administrator
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. The Merchant of Venice
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