Re: [Fwd: Re: XP on OLPC - a contrarian view]

2008-05-16 Thread Jeffrey Kesselman
SO, let me clarify my own POV... if anyone cares :)

XP on the OLPC does not bother me so much, for all the reasons
mentioned.  As long as it
DOES still run Linux/Sugar then its up to us to make that compelling.
I'm sure no third world country WANTS to spend another $7.00 a machine
if there is no compelling reason to do so.  Multiplied by volume,
thats a lot of money.

In addition to all of the above , I do see a comfort factor in the "it
can run windows" bullet point.  I mean we all mean well, but what if
the project fails and developers drift away?  There is a certain
comfort for buying it in knowing that there is a big rich company
behidn it.   Even if that comfort is mostly illusory. (Microsoft HAS
walked away from products in the past.  Anyone else own a first gen
WINCE device? I do.  Nice paperweight.)

What disturbs me a LOT more is Sugar  on  XP.  I firmly expect
Micrsoft to attempt to "embrace and extend" and pull control of Sugar
away from the community.  After which, it will die a quick death.

JK


On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Robert Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I received Mr Bender's reply off list. I replied privately, as it came
> off list. I now see that Mr. Bender sent his reply to the list, so I'm
> forwarding my reply to him to the list too.
>
> Bob
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: XP on OLPC - a contrarian view
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:08:24 -0500
> From: Robert Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Walter,
>
> I didn't mean to minimize the successes that the XO has had to date.
> Nicholas' projections were undeniably optimistic, and they shouldn't
> color the perception of the success that has been achieved. 600k x $200
> = $120M. That's incredible sales for a startup. Particularly a
> shoestring, start from a new concept, non-profit, startup.
>
> However, the sales and distribution model of OLPC has set itself a high
> bar. Any single sales event that isn't in the six figure range is small
> potatoes in the current model of monolithic sales to national governments.
>
> And I'll stand with my assertion that if it takes saying that the XO
> does Windows to get those big sales, and get the little darlings into
> the hands of children, that it's a step that OLPC is correct in taking.
>
> It is a great start, and I dearly want it to continue.
>
> OLPC has certainly kickstarted a market that no one seemed to have
> realized the existence of three years ago -- laptops designed to meet
> the needs of children. The XO is a wonderful design and still the
> benchmark that these devices should be measured by.
>
>> There is an underlying assertion in your post (and much of the press
>> coverage of the Windows XP announcement) that the XO has not been
>> selling well to date. I would assert that 600K units in the first 6
>> months is pretty good by most measures. It is a far cry from the 100M
>> units that Nicholas predicted, but so what? It is a great start and
>> there is every indication that laptop-for-learning programs on a
>> variety of hardware platforms are springing up around the world--with
>> or without Windows. To the extent that the community can work to make
>> these programs successful, more children will be reached--our
>> goal--and more laptops (XOs and others) will be sold.
>>
>> -walter
>>
> Bob
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[Fwd: Re: XP on OLPC - a contrarian view]

2008-05-16 Thread Robert Myers
I received Mr Bender's reply off list. I replied privately, as it came 
off list. I now see that Mr. Bender sent his reply to the list, so I'm 
forwarding my reply to him to the list too.

Bob

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: XP on OLPC - a contrarian view
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:08:24 -0500
From: Robert Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Walter,

I didn't mean to minimize the successes that the XO has had to date.
Nicholas' projections were undeniably optimistic, and they shouldn't
color the perception of the success that has been achieved. 600k x $200
= $120M. That's incredible sales for a startup. Particularly a
shoestring, start from a new concept, non-profit, startup.

However, the sales and distribution model of OLPC has set itself a high
bar. Any single sales event that isn't in the six figure range is small
potatoes in the current model of monolithic sales to national governments.

And I'll stand with my assertion that if it takes saying that the XO
does Windows to get those big sales, and get the little darlings into
the hands of children, that it's a step that OLPC is correct in taking.

It is a great start, and I dearly want it to continue.

OLPC has certainly kickstarted a market that no one seemed to have
realized the existence of three years ago -- laptops designed to meet
the needs of children. The XO is a wonderful design and still the
benchmark that these devices should be measured by.

> There is an underlying assertion in your post (and much of the press
> coverage of the Windows XP announcement) that the XO has not been
> selling well to date. I would assert that 600K units in the first 6
> months is pretty good by most measures. It is a far cry from the 100M
> units that Nicholas predicted, but so what? It is a great start and
> there is every indication that laptop-for-learning programs on a
> variety of hardware platforms are springing up around the world--with
> or without Windows. To the extent that the community can work to make
> these programs successful, more children will be reached--our
> goal--and more laptops (XOs and others) will be sold.
> 
> -walter
> 
Bob

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