Re: Connecting a non python activity to sugar
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Paul Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bert wrote: On 31.03.2008, at 14:52, Paul Fox wrote: bert wrote: Also, try the sugarize script and library: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-January/009387.html (maybe that should be added to the Wiki) indeed -- that would be a nice addition. i'm using that script, ... Well, just add it then. It's a Wiki :) i will do that. I did it a few days ago. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_Factory Sugar maintains a strict 1:1 relation between top-level windows marked as activity and activities. Any other top-level window should get an unknown icon, currently a gray circle. I guess marking an arbitrary top-level window as activity would severely confuse Sugar. What you currently i don't think i'm seeing the unknown icon, but i also wasn't looking for it. it seems to me that in an ideal world, alt-tab would cycle through all top-level windows, whether they're known to sugar or not. (be lenient in what you accept, and all that.) the fact is that not all programs running under sugar will be fully sugarized, and to some extent sugar should behave like just a window manager where necessary. (in any case, based on what you've said, i've re-coded my app so that the gps console is now just an alternate display mode for the main mapping window. the second process and window, are no longer needed. there were other reasons that this change was overdue -- thanks for the nudge. :-) paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (arlington, ma, where it's 40.1 degrees) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.--Alan Kay ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Connecting a non python activity to sugar
bert wrote: On 31.03.2008, at 14:52, Paul Fox wrote: bert wrote: Also, try the sugarize script and library: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-January/009387.html (maybe that should be added to the Wiki) indeed -- that would be a nice addition. i'm using that script, ... Well, just add it then. It's a Wiki :) i will do that. Sugar maintains a strict 1:1 relation between top-level windows marked as activity and activities. Any other top-level window should get an unknown icon, currently a gray circle. I guess marking an arbitrary top-level window as activity would severely confuse Sugar. What you currently i don't think i'm seeing the unknown icon, but i also wasn't looking for it. it seems to me that in an ideal world, alt-tab would cycle through all top-level windows, whether they're known to sugar or not. (be lenient in what you accept, and all that.) the fact is that not all programs running under sugar will be fully sugarized, and to some extent sugar should behave like just a window manager where necessary. (in any case, based on what you've said, i've re-coded my app so that the gps console is now just an alternate display mode for the main mapping window. the second process and window, are no longer needed. there were other reasons that this change was overdue -- thanks for the nudge. :-) paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (arlington, ma, where it's 40.1 degrees) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Connecting a non python activity to sugar
On 31.03.2008, at 14:52, Paul Fox wrote: bert wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API Also, try the sugarize script and library: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-January/009387.html (maybe that should be added to the Wiki) indeed -- that would be a nice addition. i'm using that script, along with the little libsugarize shared lib hook, with good success. i think many people have found versions of that script via the forums, but it would be good to have it in a quasi-official place. (i didn't realize where it had originated.) Well, just add it then. It's a Wiki :) on that subject, i've been wondering about a related issue. my activity (RoadMap, which is a GPS-enabled street-mapping program) runs in a single X-window (modulo the occasional dialog box). it has the ability to spawn a second program (a GPS console, which gives an available satellite display) which of course creates a second X-window. this is fine, as long as you quit from the spawned program before doing something sugary to move away from its window (e.g., alt-tab). but if you obscure its window, you can never get back to it, since sugar knows nothing about it. this isn't really a program that should be a full-fledged activity -- it can run standalone, but one usually invokes it from RoadMap (Hmm -- I'm not getting a fix -- where are my satellites?). is there a way of wrapping the second application in a shared lib similar to libsugarize such that sugar would know about its window in at least some minimal way? without this, the program gets lost from a UI point of view. (i realize that needing a second window is rather un-sugary. in a new activity, it would probably be a tab, for instance.) Sugar maintains a strict 1:1 relation between top-level windows marked as activity and activities. Any other top-level window should get an unknown icon, currently a gray circle. I guess marking an arbitrary top-level window as activity would severely confuse Sugar. What you could try is running it as dialog window, then it will even receive a window border that can be dragged around etc., similar to the object chooser dialog. - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Connecting a non python activity to sugar
On 31.03.2008, at 06:44, Steve Lewis wrote: Any foreign application - say opera or program I write in Java has two entried as an avtivity - one with the SVG and a second anonymous window which is the real application I have been trying to figure out how a smart application capable of talking to the D-BUS and with access to the bindle and application ids can integrate with sugar in the same ways that a python application can Can anyone give me pointers http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API Also, try the sugarize script and library: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-January/009387.html (maybe that should be added to the Wiki) - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Connecting a non python activity to sugar
bert wrote: On 31.03.2008, at 06:44, Steve Lewis wrote: Any foreign application - say opera or program I write in Java has two entried as an avtivity - one with the SVG and a second anonymous window which is the real application I have been trying to figure out how a smart application capable of talking to the D-BUS and with access to the bindle and application ids can integrate with sugar in the same ways that a python application can Can anyone give me pointers http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API Also, try the sugarize script and library: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-January/009387.html (maybe that should be added to the Wiki) indeed -- that would be a nice addition. i'm using that script, along with the little libsugarize shared lib hook, with good success. i think many people have found versions of that script via the forums, but it would be good to have it in a quasi-official place. (i didn't realize where it had originated.) on that subject, i've been wondering about a related issue. my activity (RoadMap, which is a GPS-enabled street-mapping program) runs in a single X-window (modulo the occasional dialog box). it has the ability to spawn a second program (a GPS console, which gives an available satellite display) which of course creates a second X-window. this is fine, as long as you quit from the spawned program before doing something sugary to move away from its window (e.g., alt-tab). but if you obscure its window, you can never get back to it, since sugar knows nothing about it. this isn't really a program that should be a full-fledged activity -- it can run standalone, but one usually invokes it from RoadMap (Hmm -- I'm not getting a fix -- where are my satellites?). is there a way of wrapping the second application in a shared lib similar to libsugarize such that sugar would know about its window in at least some minimal way? without this, the program gets lost from a UI point of view. (i realize that needing a second window is rather un-sugary. in a new activity, it would probably be a tab, for instance.) paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (arlington, ma, where it's 32.5 degrees) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Connecting a non python activity to sugar
Any foreign application - say opera or program I write in Java has two entried as an avtivity - one with the SVG and a second anonymous window which is the real application I have been trying to figure out how a smart application capable of talking to the D-BUS and with access to the bindle and application ids can integrate with sugar in the same ways that a python application can Can anyone give me pointers -- Steven M. Lewis PhD 4221 105th Ave NE Kirkland, WA 98033 425-889-2694 206-384-1340 (cell) Skype lordjoe_com AIM LordJoe2000 ICQ 127138272 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (permanent) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
