Re: [SailfishDevel] Compile without Scratchbox2 environment

2017-12-30 Thread Yuvraaj Kelkar
The plan is to package up each Sailfish target into a Docker image to be
used in a CI system.
For my purposes, Docker is a easy-to-use chroot that's also easy to share
and deploy as compared to a virtual machine with a toolchain in sb2.

I do know that sb2 is more than just a chroot with bind mounts, but thats
all I really need: a pre-populated chroot with bind mounts. Docker fits
that bill quite nicely.

No, I don't want multiple targets in the same image.
No, I don't need the management of multiple build targets within the same
Docker image.
I don't want any of the other sb2 features: I dont need Xephyr, I don't
need to automagically run the compiled binary under qemu, etc.

Necessity is the mother of this re-invention.
Can you help?

Thanks,
-Yuvraaj

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Tone Kastlunger 
wrote:

> I have personally nothing against docker.
> I think however what you are trying to do is a bit unusual, to say the
> least.
> Intending to use (at least as I understood it) docker as a substitute for
> SB2 is "wrong" (if you pass me the word).
> sb2 is more than "just" a virtualization layer bind-mounting directories.
> It manages build targets, for one, which docker does not know about,
> and never will. Yes, of course you can have a single docker image for a
> single build target, with all the replica which comes with it;
> or you can have one docker image with multiple toolchains / target envs;
> but then you have rolled your own sb2.
>
> I cant but recall the words : those who do not understand Unix, are doomed
> to reinvent it, poorly.
>
> Best,
> tortoisedoc
>
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Yuvraaj Kelkar 
> wrote:
>
>> I want to create a Docker image for Sailfish development.
>> I know it is possible to create a Docker image with sb2 in it; I've done
>> that for other sb2 toolchains - Maemo and Harmattan.
>> However, those images can only run as privileged Docker containers
>> because of sb2 bind mounts (I think).
>>
>> I'd like to avoid being forced to run privileged Docker containers.
>> Also, running sb2 inside a Docker container seems like inception.
>>
>> If it is possible to install the Sailfish toolchain without sb2, it
>> should be possible to capture that into a non-privileged Docker image. (I
>> hope)
>>
>> The documentation for anything related to scratchbox is either hard to
>> google or has broken links to maemo.org or is just non-existant.
>>
>> As to why Docker and not sb2: "Why not?" and "Better documentation"
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Yuvraaj
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Tone Kastlunger <
>> users.giulie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Out of curiosity, what's blocking you from using scratchbox?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Yuvraaj Kelkar 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ha!
 Any other ideas?

 Thanks,
 -Yuvraaj

 On 12/21/17 8:08 PM, Juice wrote:

> Yuvraaj Kelkar kirjoitti torstai 21. joulukuuta 2017:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is it possible to compile for sailfish without using scratchbox2?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Yuvraaj
>>
>> Sure, just compile in the device itself... :)
>
>- juice -
>
>
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Re: [SailfishDevel] Compile without Scratchbox2 environment

2017-12-30 Thread Tone Kastlunger
I have personally nothing against docker.
I think however what you are trying to do is a bit unusual, to say the
least.
Intending to use (at least as I understood it) docker as a substitute for
SB2 is "wrong" (if you pass me the word).
sb2 is more than "just" a virtualization layer bind-mounting directories.
It manages build targets, for one, which docker does not know about,
and never will. Yes, of course you can have a single docker image for a
single build target, with all the replica which comes with it;
or you can have one docker image with multiple toolchains / target envs;
but then you have rolled your own sb2.

I cant but recall the words : those who do not understand Unix, are doomed
to reinvent it, poorly.

Best,
tortoisedoc

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Yuvraaj Kelkar  wrote:

> I want to create a Docker image for Sailfish development.
> I know it is possible to create a Docker image with sb2 in it; I've done
> that for other sb2 toolchains - Maemo and Harmattan.
> However, those images can only run as privileged Docker containers because
> of sb2 bind mounts (I think).
>
> I'd like to avoid being forced to run privileged Docker containers.
> Also, running sb2 inside a Docker container seems like inception.
>
> If it is possible to install the Sailfish toolchain without sb2, it should
> be possible to capture that into a non-privileged Docker image. (I hope)
>
> The documentation for anything related to scratchbox is either hard to
> google or has broken links to maemo.org or is just non-existant.
>
> As to why Docker and not sb2: "Why not?" and "Better documentation"
>
> Thanks,
> -Yuvraaj
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Tone Kastlunger <
> users.giulie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, what's blocking you from using scratchbox?
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Yuvraaj Kelkar 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ha!
>>> Any other ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Yuvraaj
>>>
>>> On 12/21/17 8:08 PM, Juice wrote:
>>>
 Yuvraaj Kelkar kirjoitti torstai 21. joulukuuta 2017:

> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to compile for sailfish without using scratchbox2?
>
> Thanks,
> -Yuvraaj
>
> Sure, just compile in the device itself... :)

- juice -



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