Re: [SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer
Hey everyone! Dalvik is part of the AOSP (Android Open Source Project), so it is FOSS. Then at least 3 vendors that I am aware of have taken that and built a commercial Android compatibility solution by re-using that code on top of another OS. These are commercial offerings (and proprietary) so somebody has to buy and pay for the licenses. That is what Jolla did for their Sailfish handset, but this is not free software, so you won't get it for BYOD efforts, and other handset manufacturers would need to do their own deals. I have seen: http://www.myriadgroup.com/products/device-solutions/mobile-software/alien-dalvik/ (is being used by Jolla) http://www.openmobileww.com/ (is being used by Tizen, but also works on FirefoxOS, webOS, Windows and Linux) http://www.bluestacks.com/ (have their main success on PC, but also made a micro console - http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/11/gamepop-review/) It should be possible for the community to build a FOSS product just like this, if there were appetite for it. Of course, Dalvik is not even shipped with Android anymore. That JITting VM has been replaced with an AOT compilation technology called ART, which pre-compiles binaries at install time. I believe that ART is also part of the AOSP project, so it should be possible to build something using that too. Cheers, Bob On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:15 AM, E.S. Rosenberg es.rosenberg+sailfishos@gmail.com wrote: I doubt there is any contract that says other companies can't get a license on dalvik... 2015-06-09 11:06 GMT+03:00 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Because as somebody told me in the Neo900 support thread, Jolla has currently only the licence to distribute Myriad Alien Dalvik with there smartphones and not for all devices which can run Sailfish. Hi, I don't see why dalvik would not be available. If the OS runs on the device, dalvik should be able to run too. Alex. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, schif...@polytech.unice.fr wrote: Well it seems Jolla will not make a new device soon. So in case somebody has an answer to my previous question, I'm still listening ;). TOH is only Jolla feature, not 3rd party developers of course. Talk to these companies and ask them to implement TOH in their sailfishos devices :) 03.06.2015 23:02, Martin Kolman пишет: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 13:46:02 +0200 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Hi, I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone manifacturers. On this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes, does it mean that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik available ? Also what about the ToH concept ? It would be a shame to loose it on new devices just when the first ToH keyboards start shipping... (BTW, as most current ToHs use 3D printed components it does not necessarily need to be mechanically compatible, just electrically - and even that is not that important. In short - any interface that makes it possible to mechanically attach something to the back of the device + power data interrupt channel would do.) Best Wishes Martin Best Regards, Alexandre Schifano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- b...@summerwill.net ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer
Because as somebody told me in the Neo900 support thread, Jolla has currently only the licence to distribute Myriad Alien Dalvik with there smartphones and not for all devices which can run Sailfish. Hi, I don't see why dalvik would not be available. If the OS runs on the device, dalvik should be able to run too. Alex. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, schif...@polytech.unice.fr wrote: Well it seems Jolla will not make a new device soon. So in case somebody has an answer to my previous question, I'm still listening ;). TOH is only Jolla feature, not 3rd party developers of course. Talk to these companies and ask them to implement TOH in their sailfishos devices :) 03.06.2015 23:02, Martin Kolman пишет: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 13:46:02 +0200 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Hi, I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone manifacturers. On this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes, does it mean that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik available ? Also what about the ToH concept ? It would be a shame to loose it on new devices just when the first ToH keyboards start shipping... (BTW, as most current ToHs use 3D printed components it does not necessarily need to be mechanically compatible, just electrically - and even that is not that important. In short - any interface that makes it possible to mechanically attach something to the back of the device + power data interrupt channel would do.) Best Wishes Martin Best Regards, Alexandre Schifano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer
I doubt there is any contract that says other companies can't get a license on dalvik... 2015-06-09 11:06 GMT+03:00 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Because as somebody told me in the Neo900 support thread, Jolla has currently only the licence to distribute Myriad Alien Dalvik with there smartphones and not for all devices which can run Sailfish. Hi, I don't see why dalvik would not be available. If the OS runs on the device, dalvik should be able to run too. Alex. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, schif...@polytech.unice.fr wrote: Well it seems Jolla will not make a new device soon. So in case somebody has an answer to my previous question, I'm still listening ;). TOH is only Jolla feature, not 3rd party developers of course. Talk to these companies and ask them to implement TOH in their sailfishos devices :) 03.06.2015 23:02, Martin Kolman пишет: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 13:46:02 +0200 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Hi, I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone manifacturers. On this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes, does it mean that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik available ? Also what about the ToH concept ? It would be a shame to loose it on new devices just when the first ToH keyboards start shipping... (BTW, as most current ToHs use 3D printed components it does not necessarily need to be mechanically compatible, just electrically - and even that is not that important. In short - any interface that makes it possible to mechanically attach something to the back of the device + power data interrupt channel would do.) Best Wishes Martin Best Regards, Alexandre Schifano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer
Hi, I don't see why dalvik would not be available. If the OS runs on the device, dalvik should be able to run too. Alex. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, schif...@polytech.unice.fr wrote: Well it seems Jolla will not make a new device soon. So in case somebody has an answer to my previous question, I'm still listening ;). TOH is only Jolla feature, not 3rd party developers of course. Talk to these companies and ask them to implement TOH in their sailfishos devices :) 03.06.2015 23:02, Martin Kolman пишет: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 13:46:02 +0200 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Hi, I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone manifacturers. On this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes, does it mean that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik available ? Also what about the ToH concept ? It would be a shame to loose it on new devices just when the first ToH keyboards start shipping... (BTW, as most current ToHs use 3D printed components it does not necessarily need to be mechanically compatible, just electrically - and even that is not that important. In short - any interface that makes it possible to mechanically attach something to the back of the device + power data interrupt channel would do.) Best Wishes Martin Best Regards, Alexandre Schifano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer
So, new SailfishOS manufacturer should license usage of aliendalvik for itself, not via Jolla as far i understand. 09.06.2015 13:06, schif...@polytech.unice.fr пишет: Because as somebody told me in the Neo900 support thread, Jolla has currently only the licence to distribute Myriad Alien Dalvik with there smartphones and not for all devices which can run Sailfish. Hi, I don't see why dalvik would not be available. If the OS runs on the device, dalvik should be able to run too. Alex. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, schif...@polytech.unice.fr wrote: Well it seems Jolla will not make a new device soon. So in case somebody has an answer to my previous question, I'm still listening ;). TOH is only Jolla feature, not 3rd party developers of course. Talk to these companies and ask them to implement TOH in their sailfishos devices :) 03.06.2015 23:02, Martin Kolman пишет: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 13:46:02 +0200 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Hi, I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone manifacturers. On this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes, does it mean that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik available ? Also what about the ToH concept ? It would be a shame to loose it on new devices just when the first ToH keyboards start shipping... (BTW, as most current ToHs use 3D printed components it does not necessarily need to be mechanically compatible, just electrically - and even that is not that important. In short - any interface that makes it possible to mechanically attach something to the back of the device + power data interrupt channel would do.) Best Wishes Martin Best Regards, Alexandre Schifano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer
Hello, I'm working at the porters team and this FOSS Android compatibility layer is somewhat a Holy Grail for us porters. Currently our idea is that we should somehow get Chromium runtime, essentially doing QtWebEngine from Qt 5.4 with nacl support to get this. This would lead to testing the ARC project from Google (which is unfortunately not fully open source). The person who is doing this (or at least gives it a shot) goes by the IRC nick nh1402 (couldn't do a whois while writing this, as he was offline). So the work going for this has been at least laid the foundation for the Android runtime to happen on probably both Jolla devices and potentially on ported devices. Aleksi On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Bob Summerwill b...@summerwill.net wrote: Hey everyone! Dalvik is part of the AOSP (Android Open Source Project), so it is FOSS. Then at least 3 vendors that I am aware of have taken that and built a commercial Android compatibility solution by re-using that code on top of another OS. These are commercial offerings (and proprietary) so somebody has to buy and pay for the licenses. That is what Jolla did for their Sailfish handset, but this is not free software, so you won't get it for BYOD efforts, and other handset manufacturers would need to do their own deals. I have seen: http://www.myriadgroup.com/products/device-solutions/mobile-software/alien-dalvik/ (is being used by Jolla) http://www.openmobileww.com/ (is being used by Tizen, but also works on FirefoxOS, webOS, Windows and Linux) http://www.bluestacks.com/ (have their main success on PC, but also made a micro console - http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/11/gamepop-review/) It should be possible for the community to build a FOSS product just like this, if there were appetite for it. Of course, Dalvik is not even shipped with Android anymore. That JITting VM has been replaced with an AOT compilation technology called ART, which pre-compiles binaries at install time. I believe that ART is also part of the AOSP project, so it should be possible to build something using that too. Cheers, Bob On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:15 AM, E.S. Rosenberg es.rosenberg+sailfishos@gmail.com wrote: I doubt there is any contract that says other companies can't get a license on dalvik... 2015-06-09 11:06 GMT+03:00 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Because as somebody told me in the Neo900 support thread, Jolla has currently only the licence to distribute Myriad Alien Dalvik with there smartphones and not for all devices which can run Sailfish. Hi, I don't see why dalvik would not be available. If the OS runs on the device, dalvik should be able to run too. Alex. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, schif...@polytech.unice.fr wrote: Well it seems Jolla will not make a new device soon. So in case somebody has an answer to my previous question, I'm still listening ;). TOH is only Jolla feature, not 3rd party developers of course. Talk to these companies and ask them to implement TOH in their sailfishos devices :) 03.06.2015 23:02, Martin Kolman пишет: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 13:46:02 +0200 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Hi, I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone manifacturers. On this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes, does it mean that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik available ? Also what about the ToH concept ? It would be a shame to loose it on new devices just when the first ToH keyboards start shipping... (BTW, as most current ToHs use 3D printed components it does not necessarily need to be mechanically compatible, just electrically - and even that is not that important. In short - any interface that makes it possible to mechanically attach something to the back of the device + power data interrupt channel would do.) Best Wishes Martin Best Regards, Alexandre Schifano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a
Re: [SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer
Thanks for the update, Aleksi, and good luck with that effort! It would be great to have such a layer available for all the various Linuxes. Cheers, Bob On Jun 9, 2015 10:41 AM, Aleksi Suomalainen suomalainen.ale...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm working at the porters team and this FOSS Android compatibility layer is somewhat a Holy Grail for us porters. Currently our idea is that we should somehow get Chromium runtime, essentially doing QtWebEngine from Qt 5.4 with nacl support to get this. This would lead to testing the ARC project from Google (which is unfortunately not fully open source). The person who is doing this (or at least gives it a shot) goes by the IRC nick nh1402 (couldn't do a whois while writing this, as he was offline). So the work going for this has been at least laid the foundation for the Android runtime to happen on probably both Jolla devices and potentially on ported devices. Aleksi On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Bob Summerwill b...@summerwill.net wrote: Hey everyone! Dalvik is part of the AOSP (Android Open Source Project), so it is FOSS. Then at least 3 vendors that I am aware of have taken that and built a commercial Android compatibility solution by re-using that code on top of another OS. These are commercial offerings (and proprietary) so somebody has to buy and pay for the licenses. That is what Jolla did for their Sailfish handset, but this is not free software, so you won't get it for BYOD efforts, and other handset manufacturers would need to do their own deals. I have seen: http://www.myriadgroup.com/products/device-solutions/mobile-software/alien-dalvik/ (is being used by Jolla) http://www.openmobileww.com/ (is being used by Tizen, but also works on FirefoxOS, webOS, Windows and Linux) http://www.bluestacks.com/ (have their main success on PC, but also made a micro console - http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/11/gamepop-review/) It should be possible for the community to build a FOSS product just like this, if there were appetite for it. Of course, Dalvik is not even shipped with Android anymore. That JITting VM has been replaced with an AOT compilation technology called ART, which pre-compiles binaries at install time. I believe that ART is also part of the AOSP project, so it should be possible to build something using that too. Cheers, Bob On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:15 AM, E.S. Rosenberg es.rosenberg+sailfishos@gmail.com wrote: I doubt there is any contract that says other companies can't get a license on dalvik... 2015-06-09 11:06 GMT+03:00 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Because as somebody told me in the Neo900 support thread, Jolla has currently only the licence to distribute Myriad Alien Dalvik with there smartphones and not for all devices which can run Sailfish. Hi, I don't see why dalvik would not be available. If the OS runs on the device, dalvik should be able to run too. Alex. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, schif...@polytech.unice.fr wrote: Well it seems Jolla will not make a new device soon. So in case somebody has an answer to my previous question, I'm still listening ;). TOH is only Jolla feature, not 3rd party developers of course. Talk to these companies and ask them to implement TOH in their sailfishos devices :) 03.06.2015 23:02, Martin Kolman пишет: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 13:46:02 +0200 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Hi, I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone manifacturers. On this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes, does it mean that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik available ? Also what about the ToH concept ? It would be a shame to loose it on new devices just when the first ToH keyboards start shipping... (BTW, as most current ToHs use 3D printed components it does not necessarily need to be mechanically compatible, just electrically - and even that is not that important. In short - any interface that makes it possible to mechanically attach something to the back of the device + power data interrupt channel would do.) Best Wishes Martin Best Regards, Alexandre Schifano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer
Well it seems Jolla will not make a new device soon. So in case somebody has an answer to my previous question, I'm still listening ;). TOH is only Jolla feature, not 3rd party developers of course. Talk to these companies and ask them to implement TOH in their sailfishos devices :) 03.06.2015 23:02, Martin Kolman пишет: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 13:46:02 +0200 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Hi, I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone manifacturers. On this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes, does it mean that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik available ? Also what about the ToH concept ? It would be a shame to loose it on new devices just when the first ToH keyboards start shipping... (BTW, as most current ToHs use 3D printed components it does not necessarily need to be mechanically compatible, just electrically - and even that is not that important. In short - any interface that makes it possible to mechanically attach something to the back of the device + power data interrupt channel would do.) Best Wishes Martin Best Regards, Alexandre Schifano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
[SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer
Hi, I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone manifacturers. On this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes, does it mean that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik available ? Best Regards, Alexandre Schifano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer
TOH is only Jolla feature, not 3rd party developers of course. Talk to these companies and ask them to implement TOH in their sailfishos devices :) 03.06.2015 23:02, Martin Kolman пишет: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 13:46:02 +0200 schif...@polytech.unice.fr: Hi, I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone manifacturers. On this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes, does it mean that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik available ? Also what about the ToH concept ? It would be a shame to loose it on new devices just when the first ToH keyboards start shipping... (BTW, as most current ToHs use 3D printed components it does not necessarily need to be mechanically compatible, just electrically - and even that is not that important. In short - any interface that makes it possible to mechanically attach something to the back of the device + power data interrupt channel would do.) Best Wishes Martin Best Regards, Alexandre Schifano ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
