Re: [SailfishDevel] Tablet version SDK a.k.a 2.0
Hi, I disagree Luciano. I'm too concern about an early sdk release for the tablet : Yes my apps will work on the tablet, services classes won't change but I definitively have to rethink layout (qml) and navigation to fit this new form factor. A simple scale up version will look awful... As pointed out, arch is different, that (probably) answers the question either app has to fit both or a new version will have to be build. I thinks mine will be delivered on the third batch ; wondering if dev contributor might get it even earlier for testing ? Bye 2014-11-20 10:09 GMT+01:00 Luciano Montanaro mikel...@gmail.com: Andrey is being ironic, I suppose, but it is a good guess. I don't think you need to care, though: The SDK will probably be updated a couple of times before Sailfish 2.0, with interim updates... I think that, as long as your app works on a phone, it will work on the tablet. Maybe layout will not be optimal, but that can be fixed later on. Luciano On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Fabio Isgrò fabio.is...@messinalug.org wrote: So 4th week of May 15 or 1week of Jun 15 ? On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Andrey Kozhevnikov coderusin...@gmail.com wrote: a week after OS update released, as usual :D 20.11.2014 00:52, Alex Smirnoff пишет: Is that already known when new SDK will be available? Could not wait to port Gcompris to Jolla. -- Alex Smirnov ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luciano Montanaro Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Tablet version SDK a.k.a 2.0
Well, I suppose that depending on the application you will need to make adaptations. But I suppose applications should largely work without changes. Tweaking the UI may be useful, but there is not much that can be made right now. I doubt there is much to share anyway... We are looking at the development of SailfishOS almost in realtime... I doubt the features of production SailfishOS are more than three months older than those in active development. There are activities you may do now to ensure some form of forward compatibility: be sure to use only element sizes and styling based on the Theme class, do not assume the values are fixed, make sure your application works in landscape as well as in portrait... Do not assume PullDown and PopUp menus come from a specific direction... If you have custom graphics, make it use SVG to allow for scaling. For covers, do not assume you will have the sizes will match the current covers. Maybe we will get new QML items with the new Sailfish OS, I hope they will work in the phone and tablet form factors anyway. Games with graphics will have the harder time porting... utility applications could likely be workable without too many tweaks. I suppose we will be able to test anything on our phones before we will put our hands on the tablet. I am not worried at all about the SDK availability, what worries me is the limited number of interfaces allowed on the official store. Luciano On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:59 AM, jerome levreau levreau.jer...@vostoksystem.eu wrote: Hi, I disagree Luciano. I'm too concern about an early sdk release for the tablet : Yes my apps will work on the tablet, services classes won't change but I definitively have to rethink layout (qml) and navigation to fit this new form factor. A simple scale up version will look awful... As pointed out, arch is different, that (probably) answers the question either app has to fit both or a new version will have to be build. I thinks mine will be delivered on the third batch ; wondering if dev contributor might get it even earlier for testing ? Bye 2014-11-20 10:09 GMT+01:00 Luciano Montanaro mikel...@gmail.com: Andrey is being ironic, I suppose, but it is a good guess. I don't think you need to care, though: The SDK will probably be updated a couple of times before Sailfish 2.0, with interim updates... I think that, as long as your app works on a phone, it will work on the tablet. Maybe layout will not be optimal, but that can be fixed later on. Luciano On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Fabio Isgrò fabio.is...@messinalug.org wrote: So 4th week of May 15 or 1week of Jun 15 ? On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Andrey Kozhevnikov coderusin...@gmail.com wrote: a week after OS update released, as usual :D 20.11.2014 00:52, Alex Smirnoff пишет: Is that already known when new SDK will be available? Could not wait to port Gcompris to Jolla. -- Alex Smirnov ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luciano Montanaro Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luciano Montanaro Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Tablet version SDK a.k.a 2.0
So 4th week of May 15 or 1week of Jun 15 ? On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Andrey Kozhevnikov coderusin...@gmail.com wrote: a week after OS update released, as usual :D 20.11.2014 00:52, Alex Smirnoff пишет: Is that already known when new SDK will be available? Could not wait to port Gcompris to Jolla. -- Alex Smirnov ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Tablet version SDK a.k.a 2.0
Andrey is being ironic, I suppose, but it is a good guess. I don't think you need to care, though: The SDK will probably be updated a couple of times before Sailfish 2.0, with interim updates... I think that, as long as your app works on a phone, it will work on the tablet. Maybe layout will not be optimal, but that can be fixed later on. Luciano On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Fabio Isgrò fabio.is...@messinalug.org wrote: So 4th week of May 15 or 1week of Jun 15 ? On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Andrey Kozhevnikov coderusin...@gmail.com wrote: a week after OS update released, as usual :D 20.11.2014 00:52, Alex Smirnoff пишет: Is that already known when new SDK will be available? Could not wait to port Gcompris to Jolla. -- Alex Smirnov ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luciano Montanaro Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Tablet version SDK a.k.a 2.0
Yes, but the SDK already has an x86 target. The emulator is simply an x86 virtual machine, so, if your app runs in the emulator, it will run on the tablet. The resolution is wrong for the tablet, but other than that, the app will run. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Luca Donaggio donag...@gmail.com wrote: CPU architectures are different, too: tablet having a 64bit Intel SoC, while phone uses a 32bit ARM. Currently every app in the Store is an ARM binary, so at least they all need to be re-compiled for x86 and re-uploaded, as I doubt that the tablet will sport an ARM compatibility layer. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Luciano Montanaro mikel...@gmail.com wrote: Andrey is being ironic, I suppose, but it is a good guess. I don't think you need to care, though: The SDK will probably be updated a couple of times before Sailfish 2.0, with interim updates... I think that, as long as your app works on a phone, it will work on the tablet. Maybe layout will not be optimal, but that can be fixed later on. Luciano On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Fabio Isgrò fabio.is...@messinalug.org wrote: So 4th week of May 15 or 1week of Jun 15 ? On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Andrey Kozhevnikov coderusin...@gmail.com wrote: a week after OS update released, as usual :D 20.11.2014 00:52, Alex Smirnoff пишет: Is that already known when new SDK will be available? Could not wait to port Gcompris to Jolla. -- Alex Smirnov ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luciano Montanaro Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luca Donaggio ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luciano Montanaro Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Tablet version SDK a.k.a 2.0
Yes, it will, but to populate the Store for the new tablet, every devel should upload the x86 version of their app's RPM Maybe a little incentive from Jolla in the form of a free-or-heavily-discounted-devel-only-edition's tablet could make it happen faster *hint* *hint* ;-D On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Luciano Montanaro mikel...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but the SDK already has an x86 target. The emulator is simply an x86 virtual machine, so, if your app runs in the emulator, it will run on the tablet. The resolution is wrong for the tablet, but other than that, the app will run. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Luca Donaggio donag...@gmail.com wrote: CPU architectures are different, too: tablet having a 64bit Intel SoC, while phone uses a 32bit ARM. Currently every app in the Store is an ARM binary, so at least they all need to be re-compiled for x86 and re-uploaded, as I doubt that the tablet will sport an ARM compatibility layer. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Luciano Montanaro mikel...@gmail.com wrote: Andrey is being ironic, I suppose, but it is a good guess. I don't think you need to care, though: The SDK will probably be updated a couple of times before Sailfish 2.0, with interim updates... I think that, as long as your app works on a phone, it will work on the tablet. Maybe layout will not be optimal, but that can be fixed later on. Luciano On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Fabio Isgrò fabio.is...@messinalug.org wrote: So 4th week of May 15 or 1week of Jun 15 ? On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Andrey Kozhevnikov coderusin...@gmail.com wrote: a week after OS update released, as usual :D 20.11.2014 00:52, Alex Smirnoff пишет: Is that already known when new SDK will be available? Could not wait to port Gcompris to Jolla. -- Alex Smirnov ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luciano Montanaro Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luca Donaggio ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luciano Montanaro Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org -- Luca Donaggio ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
[SailfishDevel] Tablet version SDK a.k.a 2.0
Is that already known when new SDK will be available? Could not wait to port Gcompris to Jolla. -- Alex Smirnov ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Tablet version SDK a.k.a 2.0
a week after OS update released, as usual :D 20.11.2014 00:52, Alex Smirnoff пишет: Is that already known when new SDK will be available? Could not wait to port Gcompris to Jolla. -- Alex Smirnov ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
