Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2019-02-11 Thread Joel Sherrill
I had an osboxes.org VM laying around from a previous experiment.

$ ../source-builder/sb-set-builder --trace --log=l-qemu.txt
--prefix=${HOME}/rtems-work/tools/5 devel/qemu

Ends with this:

config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating t/wrap/aclocal-1.12
config.status: creating t/wrap/automake-1.12
+ make all
  GEN  automake
  GEN  aclocal
  GEN  t/ax/shell-no-trail-bslash
  GEN  runtest
  GEN  doc/aclocal.1
  GEN  doc/automake.1
  GEN  lib/Automake/Config.pm
  GEN  doc/aclocal-1.12.1
  GEN  doc/automake-1.12.1
help2man: can't get `--help' info from automake-1.12
Try `--no-discard-stderr' if option outputs to stderr
Makefile:4114: recipe for target 'doc/automake-1.12.1' failed
make: *** [doc/automake-1.12.1] Error 255
shell cmd failed: /bin/sh -ex
/home/osboxes/rtems-work/rtems-source-builder/bare/build/automake-1.12.6-x86_64-linux-gnu-1/do-build
error: building automake-1.12.6-x86_64-linux-gnu-1
  See error report: rsb-report-automake-1.12.6-x86_64-linux-gnu-1.txt


$ help2man --version
GNU help2man 1.47.6

Copyright (C) 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2009,
2010,
2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

Written by Brendan O'Dea 
=

Not sure if that helps or not. I am sure the qemu version used in the base
RSB is fairly old though.

--joel



On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 9:48 PM Chris Johns  wrote:

> On 11/2/19 9:21 am, Gedare Bloom wrote:
> > It seems to be happening during Debian / Ubuntu builds of Qemu using RSB.
>
> Thanks for confirming this. I will take a look.
>



>
> Chris
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Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2019-02-10 Thread Chris Johns
On 11/2/19 9:21 am, Gedare Bloom wrote:
> It seems to be happening during Debian / Ubuntu builds of Qemu using RSB.

Thanks for confirming this. I will take a look.

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Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2019-02-10 Thread Gedare Bloom
It seems to be happening during Debian / Ubuntu builds of Qemu using RSB.

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 7:19 PM Joel Sherrill  wrote:

> What hosts and packages trip it best? Sorry. Just need a level set.
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 6:14 PM Gedare Bloom 
>> Did we ever resolve this?
>>
>> Some students are encountering this again.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 1:46 AM Chris Johns  wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/03/2018 03:23, Vijay Kumar Banerjee wrote:
>>> > I have tried
>>> > perl-5.24.3
>>>
>>> On FreeBSD I have:
>>>
>>> ruru rtems $ type perl
>>> perl is a tracked alias for /usr/local/bin/perl
>>> ruru rtems $ perl --version
>>>
>>> This is perl 5, version 24, subversion 3 (v5.24.3) built for
>>> amd64-freebsd-thread-multi
>>>
>>> I do not have `help2man` on my host:
>>>
>>> ruru rtems $ type help2man
>>> help2man: not found
>>>
>>> > perl-5.22.4
>>> > perl-5.20.3
>>> >
>>> > still getting the same error, it be coming from something else
>>> >
>>>
>>> Yes it would seem likely.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
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Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2019-02-09 Thread Joel Sherrill
What hosts and packages trip it best? Sorry. Just need a level set.

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 6:14 PM Gedare Bloom  Did we ever resolve this?
>
> Some students are encountering this again.
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 1:46 AM Chris Johns  wrote:
>
>> On 19/03/2018 03:23, Vijay Kumar Banerjee wrote:
>> > I have tried
>> > perl-5.24.3
>>
>> On FreeBSD I have:
>>
>> ruru rtems $ type perl
>> perl is a tracked alias for /usr/local/bin/perl
>> ruru rtems $ perl --version
>>
>> This is perl 5, version 24, subversion 3 (v5.24.3) built for
>> amd64-freebsd-thread-multi
>>
>> I do not have `help2man` on my host:
>>
>> ruru rtems $ type help2man
>> help2man: not found
>>
>> > perl-5.22.4
>> > perl-5.20.3
>> >
>> > still getting the same error, it be coming from something else
>> >
>>
>> Yes it would seem likely.
>>
>> Chris
>>
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Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2019-02-09 Thread Gedare Bloom
Did we ever resolve this?

Some students are encountering this again.

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 1:46 AM Chris Johns  wrote:

> On 19/03/2018 03:23, Vijay Kumar Banerjee wrote:
> > I have tried
> > perl-5.24.3
>
> On FreeBSD I have:
>
> ruru rtems $ type perl
> perl is a tracked alias for /usr/local/bin/perl
> ruru rtems $ perl --version
>
> This is perl 5, version 24, subversion 3 (v5.24.3) built for
> amd64-freebsd-thread-multi
>
> I do not have `help2man` on my host:
>
> ruru rtems $ type help2man
> help2man: not found
>
> > perl-5.22.4
> > perl-5.20.3
> >
> > still getting the same error, it be coming from something else
> >
>
> Yes it would seem likely.
>
> Chris
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Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2018-03-18 Thread Chris Johns
On 19/03/2018 03:23, Vijay Kumar Banerjee wrote:
> I have tried 
> perl-5.24.3

On FreeBSD I have:

ruru rtems $ type perl
perl is a tracked alias for /usr/local/bin/perl
ruru rtems $ perl --version

This is perl 5, version 24, subversion 3 (v5.24.3) built for
amd64-freebsd-thread-multi

I do not have `help2man` on my host:

ruru rtems $ type help2man
help2man: not found

> perl-5.22.4
> perl-5.20.3
> 
> still getting the same error, it be coming from something else 
> 

Yes it would seem likely.

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Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2018-03-18 Thread Joel Sherrill
On Mar 18, 2018 11:23 AM, "Vijay Kumar Banerjee" 
wrote:

I have tried
perl-5.24.3
perl-5.22.4
perl-5.20.3

still getting the same error, it be coming from something else


By any chance can this be worked around by disabling documentation for what
is being built?


-- vijay

On 18 March 2018 at 16:15, Vijay Kumar Banerjee 
wrote:

>
>
> -- vijay
>
> On 18 March 2018 at 16:13, Gedare Bloom  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 6:41 AM, Gedare Bloom  wrote:
>> > Vijay,
>> >
>> > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 6:36 AM, Vijay Kumar Banerjee
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have set the PATH like this
>> >> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/home/luna
>> tic/.local/bin:/home/lunatic/bin
>> >>
>> >> I'm still getting the same error
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -- vijay
>> >>
>> >> On 18 March 2018 at 16:01, Gedare Bloom  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Joel Sherrill 
>> wrote:
>> >>> > I answered what I think the cause is on another thread.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Take the ancient RTEMS autotools out of your PATH while building
>> qemu.
>> >>> > Use a
>> >>> > PATH without RTEMS tools in it. I think the ancient automake
>> version we
>> >>> > use
>> >>> > must have --help which help2man can't parse.
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't think this is the solution, because the failure happens while
>> >>> trying to build the autotools.
>> >>>
>> >
>> > What happens when you run on the command line:
>> >
>> > $> automake-1.12 --help
>> >
>>
>> I get the help(along with options and usage) printed on the screen .
>
>
>> I suspect it is related to:
>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-automake/2017-06/msg3.html
>>
>> The problem is how perl is handling regex escaping where a newer perl
>> causes an error when an older perl caused a warning. Since we are kind
>> of stuck with an older automake, you should install an older perl.
>> Apparently, something before 5.26.0 should work I guess.
>>
>> -Gedare
>>
>> >>> > On Mar 17, 2018 11:34 AM, "Vijay Kumar Banerjee"
>> >>> > 
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> hello ,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> As suggested by Gedare , I have started this thread on the build
>> error
>> >>> >> that I'm getting .
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I'm getting automake-1.12.6-x86_64-linux-gnu-1 building error
>> while
>> >>> >> trying
>> >>> >> to build autotools from rsb
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I'm using fedora 27 64bit .
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> P.S: the error report is attached
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -- vijay
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
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Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2018-03-18 Thread Vijay Kumar Banerjee
I have tried
perl-5.24.3
perl-5.22.4
perl-5.20.3

still getting the same error, it be coming from something else

-- vijay

On 18 March 2018 at 16:15, Vijay Kumar Banerjee 
wrote:

>
>
> -- vijay
>
> On 18 March 2018 at 16:13, Gedare Bloom  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 6:41 AM, Gedare Bloom  wrote:
>> > Vijay,
>> >
>> > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 6:36 AM, Vijay Kumar Banerjee
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have set the PATH like this
>> >> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/home/luna
>> tic/.local/bin:/home/lunatic/bin
>> >>
>> >> I'm still getting the same error
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -- vijay
>> >>
>> >> On 18 March 2018 at 16:01, Gedare Bloom  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Joel Sherrill 
>> wrote:
>> >>> > I answered what I think the cause is on another thread.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Take the ancient RTEMS autotools out of your PATH while building
>> qemu.
>> >>> > Use a
>> >>> > PATH without RTEMS tools in it. I think the ancient automake
>> version we
>> >>> > use
>> >>> > must have --help which help2man can't parse.
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't think this is the solution, because the failure happens while
>> >>> trying to build the autotools.
>> >>>
>> >
>> > What happens when you run on the command line:
>> >
>> > $> automake-1.12 --help
>> >
>>
>> I get the help(along with options and usage) printed on the screen .
>
>
>> I suspect it is related to:
>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-automake/2017-06/msg3.html
>>
>> The problem is how perl is handling regex escaping where a newer perl
>> causes an error when an older perl caused a warning. Since we are kind
>> of stuck with an older automake, you should install an older perl.
>> Apparently, something before 5.26.0 should work I guess.
>>
>> -Gedare
>>
>> >>> > On Mar 17, 2018 11:34 AM, "Vijay Kumar Banerjee"
>> >>> > 
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> hello ,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> As suggested by Gedare , I have started this thread on the build
>> error
>> >>> >> that I'm getting .
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I'm getting automake-1.12.6-x86_64-linux-gnu-1 building error
>> while
>> >>> >> trying
>> >>> >> to build autotools from rsb
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I'm using fedora 27 64bit .
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> P.S: the error report is attached
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -- vijay
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
>
RTEMS Tools Project - Source Builder Error Report
 Build: error: building automake-1.12.6-x86_64-linux-gnu-1
 Command Line: ../source-builder/sb-set-builder 
--prefix=/home/lunatic/development/rtems/5 devel/autotools
 Python: 2.7.14 (default, Feb 27 2018, 20:43:24) [GCC 7.3.1 20180130 (Red Hat 
7.3.1-2)]
 
git://git.rtems.org/rtems-source-builder.git/origin/4b3e0f8e3d6998b84a2503dd2e11578989b1672b
 Linux lunatic 4.15.8-300.fc27.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 9 18:11:36 UTC 2018 x86_64
Tail of the build log:
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  1033 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/canon2.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000   958 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/upc2.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  2043 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/exeext4.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  1632 2012-12-14 22:28 
automake-1.12.6/t/doc-parsing-buglets-tabs.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  1377 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/gettext3.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  1684 2012-12-14 22:28 
automake-1.12.6/t/distcheck-configure-flags.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  1058 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/subobj2.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  1905 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/silent.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  2223 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/yacc-subdir.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  3406 2012-12-14 22:28 
automake-1.12.6/t/dist-auxdir-many-subdirs.sh
-r-xr-xr-x 1000/1000   448 2012-12-15 15:04 automake-1.12.6/t/compile3-w.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  2013 2012-12-14 22:28 
automake-1.12.6/t/aclocal-install-mkdir.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000   966 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/order.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  1946 2012-12-14 22:28 
automake-1.12.6/t/remake-maintainer-mode.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  2152 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/silent7.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  2233 2012-12-14 22:28 
automake-1.12.6/t/instdir-prog.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  1234 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/man7.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  1001 2012-12-14 22:28 
automake-1.12.6/t/subdir-cond-err.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  2973 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/cxx-lt-demo.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000   989 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/extra5.sh
-r-xr-xr-x 1000/1000   443 2012-12-15 15:04 automake-1.12.6/t/tap-more-w.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  3150 2012-12-14 01:27 
automake-1.12.6/t/testsuite-summary-count.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  1509 2012-12-14 22:28 
automake-1.12.6/t/aclocal-path.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  1043 2012-12-14 22:28 automake-1.12.6/t/version6.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1000/1000  2050 2012-12-14 22:28 

Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2018-03-18 Thread Vijay Kumar Banerjee
-- vijay

On 18 March 2018 at 16:13, Gedare Bloom  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 6:41 AM, Gedare Bloom  wrote:
> > Vijay,
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 6:36 AM, Vijay Kumar Banerjee
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have set the PATH like this
> >> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/home/
> lunatic/.local/bin:/home/lunatic/bin
> >>
> >> I'm still getting the same error
> >>
> >>
> >> -- vijay
> >>
> >> On 18 March 2018 at 16:01, Gedare Bloom  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Joel Sherrill 
> wrote:
> >>> > I answered what I think the cause is on another thread.
> >>> >
> >>> > Take the ancient RTEMS autotools out of your PATH while building
> qemu.
> >>> > Use a
> >>> > PATH without RTEMS tools in it. I think the ancient automake version
> we
> >>> > use
> >>> > must have --help which help2man can't parse.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> I don't think this is the solution, because the failure happens while
> >>> trying to build the autotools.
> >>>
> >
> > What happens when you run on the command line:
> >
> > $> automake-1.12 --help
> >
>
> I get the help(along with options and usage) printed on the screen .


> I suspect it is related to:
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-automake/2017-06/msg3.html
>
> The problem is how perl is handling regex escaping where a newer perl
> causes an error when an older perl caused a warning. Since we are kind
> of stuck with an older automake, you should install an older perl.
> Apparently, something before 5.26.0 should work I guess.
>
> -Gedare
>
> >>> > On Mar 17, 2018 11:34 AM, "Vijay Kumar Banerjee"
> >>> > 
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> hello ,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> As suggested by Gedare , I have started this thread on the build
> error
> >>> >> that I'm getting .
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I'm getting automake-1.12.6-x86_64-linux-gnu-1 building error while
> >>> >> trying
> >>> >> to build autotools from rsb
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I'm using fedora 27 64bit .
> >>> >>
> >>> >> P.S: the error report is attached
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -- vijay
> >>
> >>
>
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Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2018-03-18 Thread Gedare Bloom
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 6:41 AM, Gedare Bloom  wrote:
> Vijay,
>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 6:36 AM, Vijay Kumar Banerjee
>  wrote:
>>
>> I have set the PATH like this
>> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/home/lunatic/.local/bin:/home/lunatic/bin
>>
>> I'm still getting the same error
>>
>>
>> -- vijay
>>
>> On 18 March 2018 at 16:01, Gedare Bloom  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Joel Sherrill  wrote:
>>> > I answered what I think the cause is on another thread.
>>> >
>>> > Take the ancient RTEMS autotools out of your PATH while building qemu.
>>> > Use a
>>> > PATH without RTEMS tools in it. I think the ancient automake version we
>>> > use
>>> > must have --help which help2man can't parse.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I don't think this is the solution, because the failure happens while
>>> trying to build the autotools.
>>>
>
> What happens when you run on the command line:
>
> $> automake-1.12 --help
>

I suspect it is related to:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-automake/2017-06/msg3.html

The problem is how perl is handling regex escaping where a newer perl
causes an error when an older perl caused a warning. Since we are kind
of stuck with an older automake, you should install an older perl.
Apparently, something before 5.26.0 should work I guess.

-Gedare

>>> > On Mar 17, 2018 11:34 AM, "Vijay Kumar Banerjee"
>>> > 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> hello ,
>>> >>
>>> >> As suggested by Gedare , I have started this thread on the build error
>>> >> that I'm getting .
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm getting automake-1.12.6-x86_64-linux-gnu-1 building error while
>>> >> trying
>>> >> to build autotools from rsb
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm using fedora 27 64bit .
>>> >>
>>> >> P.S: the error report is attached
>>> >>
>>> >> -- vijay
>>
>>
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Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2018-03-18 Thread Gedare Bloom
Vijay,

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 6:36 AM, Vijay Kumar Banerjee
 wrote:
>
> I have set the PATH like this
> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/home/lunatic/.local/bin:/home/lunatic/bin
>
> I'm still getting the same error
>
>
> -- vijay
>
> On 18 March 2018 at 16:01, Gedare Bloom  wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Joel Sherrill  wrote:
>> > I answered what I think the cause is on another thread.
>> >
>> > Take the ancient RTEMS autotools out of your PATH while building qemu.
>> > Use a
>> > PATH without RTEMS tools in it. I think the ancient automake version we
>> > use
>> > must have --help which help2man can't parse.
>> >
>>
>> I don't think this is the solution, because the failure happens while
>> trying to build the autotools.
>>

What happens when you run on the command line:

$> automake-1.12 --help

>> > On Mar 17, 2018 11:34 AM, "Vijay Kumar Banerjee"
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> hello ,
>> >>
>> >> As suggested by Gedare , I have started this thread on the build error
>> >> that I'm getting .
>> >>
>> >> I'm getting automake-1.12.6-x86_64-linux-gnu-1 building error while
>> >> trying
>> >> to build autotools from rsb
>> >>
>> >> I'm using fedora 27 64bit .
>> >>
>> >> P.S: the error report is attached
>> >>
>> >> -- vijay
>
>
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Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2018-03-18 Thread Vijay Kumar Banerjee
I have set the PATH like this
/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/home/luna
tic/.local/bin:/home/lunatic/bin

I'm still getting the same error


-- vijay

On 18 March 2018 at 16:01, Gedare Bloom  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Joel Sherrill  wrote:
> > I answered what I think the cause is on another thread.
> >
> > Take the ancient RTEMS autotools out of your PATH while building qemu.
> Use a
> > PATH without RTEMS tools in it. I think the ancient automake version we
> use
> > must have --help which help2man can't parse.
> >
>
> I don't think this is the solution, because the failure happens while
> trying to build the autotools.
>
> > On Mar 17, 2018 11:34 AM, "Vijay Kumar Banerjee" <
> vijaykumar9...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> hello ,
> >>
> >> As suggested by Gedare , I have started this thread on the build error
> >> that I'm getting .
> >>
> >> I'm getting automake-1.12.6-x86_64-linux-gnu-1 building error while
> trying
> >> to build autotools from rsb
> >>
> >> I'm using fedora 27 64bit .
> >>
> >> P.S: the error report is attached
> >>
> >> -- vijay
>
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Re: autotools build fail from rsb

2018-03-18 Thread Gedare Bloom
On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Joel Sherrill  wrote:
> I answered what I think the cause is on another thread.
>
> Take the ancient RTEMS autotools out of your PATH while building qemu. Use a
> PATH without RTEMS tools in it. I think the ancient automake version we use
> must have --help which help2man can't parse.
>

I don't think this is the solution, because the failure happens while
trying to build the autotools.

> On Mar 17, 2018 11:34 AM, "Vijay Kumar Banerjee" 
> wrote:
>>
>> hello ,
>>
>> As suggested by Gedare , I have started this thread on the build error
>> that I'm getting .
>>
>> I'm getting automake-1.12.6-x86_64-linux-gnu-1 building error while trying
>> to build autotools from rsb
>>
>> I'm using fedora 27 64bit .
>>
>> P.S: the error report is attached
>>
>> -- vijay
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