Re: Copyright grant for Adobe Times fonts?
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Robinson Tryon wrote: On 7/11/06, Marc Aurele La France <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Robinson Tryon wrote: > I've been working on a program that includes the Adobe Times font from > the debian package x11/xfonts-75dpi. That package is assembled from > xfree86 sources. > Several other fonts that come from xfree86 have explict copyright > permissions -- for example the Bitstream Charter fonts, but I have > been unable to find any record of Adobe giving a license for their > 'Times' fonts. I asked debian-legal, but no one could provide me with > solid information about the upstream licensing. > The font files themselves have "all-rights-reserved" copyright notices > for Adobe and Digital: > Copyright (c) 1984, 1987 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved. > Copyright (c) 1988, 1991 Digital Equipment Corporation. All Rights > Reserved. Times is a trademark of Linotype-Hell AG and/or its > subsidiaries. > The upstream license' section of the COPYRIGHT file for the > xfonts-75dpi package does not appear to contain any pertinent > information, other than mentioning Adobe's name in a long list of > contributors. > Does anyone know where I could find the explicit license from > Adobe/Digital for these fonts to be included in Xfree86? You are confusing copyright and license. You're right -- I should have written that more clearly. The license says how the work can be redistributed. The copyright says who has the authority to grant such a license. Agreed. Rest assured that XFree86 does not include any font that cannot be freely redistributed. And by "freely redistributed", I mean without any incumberances whatsoever. But the font files say (to paraphrase) "copyright Adobe/Digital, all rights reserved". No one has been able to produce a license from Adobe that indicates that the Adobe Times fonts can be freely distributed. Other fonts included in XFree86 include a license from the copyright owner of the font. For example, here is the one for Bitstream Charter: The Bitstream Type 1 fonts are under the following license: (c) Copyright 1989-1992, Bitstream Inc., Cambridge, MA. You are hereby granted permission under all Bitstream propriety rights to use, copy, modify, sublicense, sell, and redistribute the 4 Bitstream Charter (r) Type 1 outline fonts and the 4 Courier Type 1 outline fonts for any purpose and without restriction; provided, that this notice is left intact on all copies of such fonts and that Bitstream's trademark is acknowledged as shown below on all unmodified copies of the 4 Charter Type 1 fonts. BITSTREAM CHARTER is a registered trademark of Bitstream Inc. If I don't have a license for the Adobe Times font, then I can't (legally) distribute those files. Right? Oh, but you _do_ have a license, as Alan points out. And the term "All Rights Reserved" simply means only the copyright holder has the right to change the license's terms. You, as a licensee, cannot legally do so on a whim or otherwise. Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Academic Information and| fax:1-780-492-1729 | |Communications Technologies | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | 352 General Services Building +---+ | University of Alberta | | | Edmonton, Alberta | Standard disclaimers apply| | T6G 2H1 | | | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 developer and VP. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@XFree86.Org http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Copyright grant for Adobe Times fonts?
Robinson Tryon wrote: Does anyone know where I could find the explicit license from Adobe/Digital for these fonts to be included in Xfree86? Have you looked at the COMMENT section in the BDF files? (They're plain text - just read them with less or vi or whatever.) -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ Devel mailing list Devel@XFree86.Org http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Copyright grant for Adobe Times fonts?
On 7/11/06, Marc Aurele La France <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Robinson Tryon wrote: > I've been working on a program that includes the Adobe Times font from > the debian package x11/xfonts-75dpi. That package is assembled from > xfree86 sources. > Several other fonts that come from xfree86 have explict copyright > permissions -- for example the Bitstream Charter fonts, but I have > been unable to find any record of Adobe giving a license for their > 'Times' fonts. I asked debian-legal, but no one could provide me with > solid information about the upstream licensing. > The font files themselves have "all-rights-reserved" copyright notices > for Adobe and Digital: > Copyright (c) 1984, 1987 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved. > Copyright (c) 1988, 1991 Digital Equipment Corporation. All Rights > Reserved. Times is a trademark of Linotype-Hell AG and/or its > subsidiaries. > The upstream license' section of the COPYRIGHT file for the > xfonts-75dpi package does not appear to contain any pertinent > information, other than mentioning Adobe's name in a long list of > contributors. > Does anyone know where I could find the explicit license from > Adobe/Digital for these fonts to be included in Xfree86? You are confusing copyright and license. You're right -- I should have written that more clearly. The license says how the work can be redistributed. The copyright says who has the authority to grant such a license. Agreed. Rest assured that XFree86 does not include any font that cannot be freely redistributed. And by "freely redistributed", I mean without any incumberances whatsoever. But the font files say (to paraphrase) "copyright Adobe/Digital, all rights reserved". No one has been able to produce a license from Adobe that indicates that the Adobe Times fonts can be freely distributed. Other fonts included in XFree86 include a license from the copyright owner of the font. For example, here is the one for Bitstream Charter: The Bitstream Type 1 fonts are under the following license: (c) Copyright 1989-1992, Bitstream Inc., Cambridge, MA. You are hereby granted permission under all Bitstream propriety rights to use, copy, modify, sublicense, sell, and redistribute the 4 Bitstream Charter (r) Type 1 outline fonts and the 4 Courier Type 1 outline fonts for any purpose and without restriction; provided, that this notice is left intact on all copies of such fonts and that Bitstream's trademark is acknowledged as shown below on all unmodified copies of the 4 Charter Type 1 fonts. BITSTREAM CHARTER is a registered trademark of Bitstream Inc. If I don't have a license for the Adobe Times font, then I can't (legally) distribute those files. Right? -- Robinson Tryon ___ Devel mailing list Devel@XFree86.Org http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Copyright grant for Adobe Times fonts?
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Robinson Tryon wrote: I've been working on a program that includes the Adobe Times font from the debian package x11/xfonts-75dpi. That package is assembled from xfree86 sources. Several other fonts that come from xfree86 have explict copyright permissions -- for example the Bitstream Charter fonts, but I have been unable to find any record of Adobe giving a license for their 'Times' fonts. I asked debian-legal, but no one could provide me with solid information about the upstream licensing. The font files themselves have "all-rights-reserved" copyright notices for Adobe and Digital: Copyright (c) 1984, 1987 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved. Copyright (c) 1988, 1991 Digital Equipment Corporation. All Rights Reserved. Times is a trademark of Linotype-Hell AG and/or its subsidiaries. The upstream license' section of the COPYRIGHT file for the xfonts-75dpi package does not appear to contain any pertinent information, other than mentioning Adobe's name in a long list of contributors. Does anyone know where I could find the explicit license from Adobe/Digital for these fonts to be included in Xfree86? You are confusing copyright and license. The license says how the work can be redistributed. The copyright says who has the authority to grant such a license. Rest assured that XFree86 does not include any font that cannot be freely redistributed. And by "freely redistributed", I mean without any incumberances whatsoever. This excludes anything under GPL Marc. +--+---+ | Marc Aurele La France | work: 1-780-492-9310 | | Academic Information and| fax:1-780-492-1729 | |Communications Technologies | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | 352 General Services Building +---+ | University of Alberta | | | Edmonton, Alberta | Standard disclaimers apply| | T6G 2H1 | | | CANADA | | +--+---+ XFree86 developer and VP. ATI driver and X server internals. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@XFree86.Org http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Copyright grant for Adobe Times fonts?
I've been working on a program that includes the Adobe Times font from the debian package x11/xfonts-75dpi. That package is assembled from xfree86 sources. Several other fonts that come from xfree86 have explict copyright permissions -- for example the Bitstream Charter fonts, but I have been unable to find any record of Adobe giving a license for their 'Times' fonts. I asked debian-legal, but no one could provide me with solid information about the upstream licensing. The font files themselves have "all-rights-reserved" copyright notices for Adobe and Digital: Copyright (c) 1984, 1987 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved. Copyright (c) 1988, 1991 Digital Equipment Corporation. All Rights Reserved. Times is a trademark of Linotype-Hell AG and/or its subsidiaries. The upstream license' section of the COPYRIGHT file for the xfonts-75dpi package does not appear to contain any pertinent information, other than mentioning Adobe's name in a long list of contributors. Does anyone know where I could find the explicit license from Adobe/Digital for these fonts to be included in Xfree86? thanks, -- Robinson Tryon ___ Devel mailing list Devel@XFree86.Org http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
