Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: The following CVS commit, made by Thomas Dickey, has no indication that Thomas was either a) not involved at all in the patch or b) that Thomas found Ralf Habacker's patch and committed a modified version of that patch. The CVS log message says: fixes for _XtInherit on cygwin. The hw/xfree86/CHANGELOG files says: XFree86 4.3.99.903 (xx December 2003) + 699. Fixes to build/run on cygwin (Thomas Dickey). I know that this patch was based at least in part (if not entirely) on Ralf Habacker's patch for the same, since it includes a more than twenty line comment from Ralf along with his name at the bottom: http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/lib/Xt/Initialize.c.diff?r1=3.21r2=3.22f=h I'm aware of that. Your commit didn't mention this either. Do you have point? -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: The following CVS commit, made by Thomas Dickey, has no indication that Thomas was either a) not involved at all in the patch or b) that Thomas found Ralf Habacker's patch and committed a modified version of that patch. The CVS log message says: fixes for _XtInherit on cygwin. The hw/xfree86/CHANGELOG files says: XFree86 4.3.99.903 (xx December 2003) + 699. Fixes to build/run on cygwin (Thomas Dickey). I know that this patch was based at least in part (if not entirely) on Ralf Habacker's patch for the same, since it includes a more than twenty line comment from Ralf along with his name at the bottom: http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/lib/Xt/Initialize.c.diff?r1=3.21r2=3.22f=h I'm aware of that. Your commit didn't mention this either. Our change log is in our release notes, where the changes were attributed to Ralf Habacker: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2003-10/msg8.html Do you have point? XFree86 should be taking care not to steal credit for our patches by committing them without proper attribution. Harold Hunt ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Your commit didn't mention this either. Our change log is in our release notes, where the changes were attributed to Ralf Habacker: tsk, tsk: the actual commit on the code change bears only your name. A casual reader of that commit (and of this thread) would gain the false impression that you did the work. Try to make a point the next time you choose to waste my time. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: XFree86 should be taking care not to steal credit for our patches by committing them without proper attribution. your standards are inconsistent: your committing the change rather than offering commit access to someone who solved a problem that (according to the email thread) that had stopped you for some _months_ indicates that your whole aim on this is to get credit for yourself. I noted that the comment in the code was properly attributed, no further action was needed. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Your commit didn't mention this either. Our change log is in our release notes, where the changes were attributed to Ralf Habacker: tsk, tsk: the actual commit on the code change bears only your name. A casual reader of that commit (and of this thread) would gain the false impression that you did the work. Try to make a point the next time you choose to waste my time. You put *your* name in the change log message, making an active claim that you did the work. It's okay to shy away from admitting that you are wrong and that you did a despicable thing; it doesn't bother me. Of course, others may not view you so favorably. Harold ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: indeed. you have made it onto that select list of people whose patches I have to scrutinize. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 01:25:52PM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote: The following CVS commit, made by Thomas Dickey, has no indication that Thomas was either a) not involved at all in the patch or b) that Thomas found Ralf Habacker's patch and committed a modified version of that patch. The CVS log message says: fixes for _XtInherit on cygwin. The hw/xfree86/CHANGELOG files says: XFree86 4.3.99.903 (xx December 2003) + 699. Fixes to build/run on cygwin (Thomas Dickey). I know that this patch was based at least in part (if not entirely) on Ralf Habacker's patch for the same, since it includes a more than twenty line comment from Ralf along with his name at the bottom: http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/lib/Xt/Initialize.c.diff?r1=3.21r2=3.22f=h Given the fact that XFree86 has shown little support for Cygwin in the past coupled with the fact that Cygwin/X is no longer associated with XFree86, I request that you take care to properly attribute patches from members of the Cygwin/X community. The only thing I have to add to this long thread is that I am confident that you will naturally take care to ensure that correct individual attributions will be made in the Cygwin changelog (wherever that may be maintained) for all changes that end up in your source tree either via direct integration or the import of XFree86 snapshots. David -- David Dawes developer/release engineer The XFree86 Project www.XFree86.org/~dawes ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Your commit didn't mention this either. Our change log is in our release notes, where the changes were attributed to Ralf Habacker: tsk, tsk: the actual commit on the code change bears only your name. A casual reader of that commit (and of this thread) would gain the false impression that you did the work. Try to make a point the next time you choose to waste my time. You put *your* name in the change log message, making an active claim that you did the work. get to the point. or is logic beyond your capabilities? All you can focus on is that I didn't put _your_ name on the change. A shame. But given your previous behavior, entirely expected. Your so-called announcement was followup email to the _same_ people who had been able to watch the discussion of the problem. That's not an announcement. hmm - no overall changelog entry for the project, no webpage giving project news. Just a mailing list (subscription-only ;-). -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: XFree86 should be taking care not to steal credit for our patches by committing them without proper attribution. your standards are inconsistent: your committing the change rather than offering commit access to someone who solved a problem that (according to the email thread) that had stopped you for some _months_ indicates that your whole aim on this is to get credit for yourself. You must be right, you're always right. Take a look at the bug I filed months ago: http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=804 === Patch will be attached shortly. Only effects Cygwin. Build tested, run-time tested. Change log entry: Enable shared build of Xt, Xaw, Xaw6, and Xmu libraries on Cygwin (Ralf Habacker). === Oops, looks like I was not trying to steal credit on that one. Lets see, that makes three places where I gave proper credit for the patch and thanked Ralf for fixing it: 1) The Cygwin/X mailing list, 2) The change log for the updated packages, and 3) Bug 804 on bugs.xfree86.org. At last count, the number of places where you gave proper credit was: 0. The policy of the xoncygwin tree on SourceForge was that anyone that wanted access could have it; Ralf didn't want it since he was busy working on porting KDE to Cygwin/X. Lets get back to the topic at hand: your blatant attempt to steal credit and refusal to acknowledge that you did so. I noted that the comment in the code was properly attributed, no further action was needed. No, that is not good enough. You should amend your change log entry to attribute the patch to Ralf and you should apologize to the X community at large for being so sloppy with attributing credit. Harold ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Your commit didn't mention this either. Our change log is in our release notes, where the changes were attributed to Ralf Habacker: tsk, tsk: the actual commit on the code change bears only your name. A casual reader of that commit (and of this thread) would gain the false impression that you did the work. Try to make a point the next time you choose to waste my time. You put *your* name in the change log message, making an active claim that you did the work. get to the point. or is logic beyond your capabilities? All you can focus on is that I didn't put _your_ name on the change. A shame. I have stated numerous times that the patch is attributed to Ralf Habacker. Do not claim that you think I am asking for my name to be on the patch; I have not done so, I am not doing so, and I will not do so. Put Ralf's name in the change log!!! Get that? Put Ralf's name in the change log!!! But given your previous behavior, entirely expected. Very mature Thomas. Your so-called announcement was followup email to the _same_ people who had been able to watch the discussion of the problem. That's not an announcement. hmm - no overall changelog entry for the project, no webpage giving project news. Just a mailing list (subscription-only ;-). I gave you a link to that change log entry. Please, stop trying to change the topic away from the fact that you are trying to steal credit for Ralf's patch. Give Ralf credit for the work that he did and stop your silly attempt to save face by arguing with me. Harold ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Eric Anholt wrote: The only responsible thing for you to do would be to correct the ChangeLog to attribute it to the patch's author. well that's polite enough. unlike Harold. no problem. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: No, that is not good enough. You should amend your change log entry to attribute the patch to Ralf and you should apologize to the X community at large for being so sloppy with attributing credit. yes, you're right. now I'll have to scrutinize your commits more closely to see who actually did the work. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 02:02:20PM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: The following CVS commit, made by Thomas Dickey, has no indication that Thomas was either a) not involved at all in the patch or b) that Thomas found Ralf Habacker's patch and committed a modified version of that patch. The CVS log message says: fixes for _XtInherit on cygwin. The hw/xfree86/CHANGELOG files says: XFree86 4.3.99.903 (xx December 2003) + 699. Fixes to build/run on cygwin (Thomas Dickey). I know that this patch was based at least in part (if not entirely) on Ralf Habacker's patch for the same, since it includes a more than twenty line comment from Ralf along with his name at the bottom: http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/lib/Xt/Initialize.c.diff?r1=3.21r2=3.22f=h I'm aware of that. Your commit didn't mention this either. Do you have point? Thomas, If you did get this code directly from Cygwin/X's tree then I'd of expected at least the credit to be apportioned to Harold at the very least, rather than putting your name against it. Ralf's name could have been corrected later, with a follow email from Harold. It's a simple change to put that right in the CHANGELOG. So I'll do that. Alan. ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
Alan Hourihane wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 02:02:20PM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: The following CVS commit, made by Thomas Dickey, has no indication that Thomas was either a) not involved at all in the patch or b) that Thomas found Ralf Habacker's patch and committed a modified version of that patch. The CVS log message says: fixes for _XtInherit on cygwin. The hw/xfree86/CHANGELOG files says: XFree86 4.3.99.903 (xx December 2003) + 699. Fixes to build/run on cygwin (Thomas Dickey). I know that this patch was based at least in part (if not entirely) on Ralf Habacker's patch for the same, since it includes a more than twenty line comment from Ralf along with his name at the bottom: http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/lib/Xt/Initialize.c.diff?r1=3.21r2=3.22f=h I'm aware of that. Your commit didn't mention this either. Do you have point? Thomas, If you did get this code directly from Cygwin/X's tree then I'd of expected at least the credit to be apportioned to Harold at the very least, rather than putting your name against it. Ralf's name could have been corrected later, with a follow email from Harold. It's a simple change to put that right in the CHANGELOG. So I'll do that. Thanks Alan! Harold ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Alan Hourihane wrote: Thomas, If you did get this code directly from Cygwin/X's tree then I'd of expected at least the credit to be apportioned to Harold at the very least, rather than putting your name against it. Ralf's name could have been corrected later, with a follow email from Harold. It's a simple change to put that right in the CHANGELOG. So I'll do that. I had that on my next set of commits. Except for the _XtInherit one, the fixes were idiot-level ones that I fixed inline, compared to X.Org and sync'd. So no credit is owed for those. However, there's a chunk of ifdef's in config/cf that I intend to use, so that merits a note. It's not from Cygwin/X tree, but freedesktop.org - though of course I did the proper research to see what the whole story was. All of this got my attention since the current cygwin/X packages are broken, as Harold is well aware. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Eric Anholt wrote: The only responsible thing for you to do would be to correct the ChangeLog to attribute it to the patch's author. well that's polite enough. unlike Harold. I have not been rude in this discussion. rofl: get someone (intelligent patient) to read your first posting and explain it to you. I don't have the bandwidth. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Eric Anholt wrote: The only responsible thing for you to do would be to correct the ChangeLog to attribute it to the patch's author. well that's polite enough. unlike Harold. I have not been rude in this discussion. rofl: get someone (intelligent patient) to read your first posting and explain it to you. I don't have the bandwidth. I wouldn't laugh so hard. You have made a fool of yourself in public and discredited your own reputation. Harold ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: No, that is not good enough. You should amend your change log entry to attribute the patch to Ralf and you should apologize to the X community at large for being so sloppy with attributing credit. yes, you're right. Thanks. now I'll have to scrutinize your commits more closely to see who actually did the work. Hold on. Lets assume that I had made the change. So, we are assuming, hypothetically, that the patch should have been attributed to me. In that case you are still in the wrong because you attributed the patch to yourself, not to me (even though I did not make the change). You cannot escape the fact that *you* *took* credit for the patch; you did not assign it to the wrong person due to a mistake in interpreting the change log entries, you actually *took* credit for yourself and didn't mention the fact that you got the patch from another project. Harold ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Eric Anholt wrote: I see only minor inconsitency on his part, that the original commit of that code didn't attribute it to its author in the CVS logs, while at least some other commits do note authors of patches. However, he didn't explicitly take credit for it, like you did in the ChangeLog, and his um, no. What I explicitly took credit for was spending the better part of two working days filtering through the differences to see which ones were needed to build cygwin/X. announcement of new packages with those changes reflects the author correctly. I don't see Harold Hunt asking for his name to be on the patch in any way, only the patch's author's name (the members of the Cygwin/X community in the original mail). tsk - you ought to read those mailing list postings more critically. The only responsible thing for you to do would be to correct the ChangeLog to attribute it to the patch's author. done. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Put Ralf's name in the change log!!! you first. (hmm - that's an appropriate pun). -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: been corrected later, with a follow email from Harold. It's a simple change to put that right in the CHANGELOG. So I'll do that. I had that on my next set of commits. Then why not say so earlier? There was no point in doing so. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: a lot of words. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proper attribution of patches
Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: been corrected later, with a follow email from Harold. It's a simple change to put that right in the CHANGELOG. So I'll do that. I had that on my next set of commits. Then why not say so earlier? There was no point in doing so. Sure there was: you would not have exposed yourself as a hypocrite by doing exactly that which you denounce on your home page (pointed out by Daniel Armburst). You lambast those egotistical plagiarists that steal credit for patches by not properly attributing them to their authors, yet you did the same thing and threw a tantrum when I pointed it out: http://dickey.his.com/gnu-patches/gnu-patches.html This is a collection of some of the patches which I have made to GNU programs. I have submitted these patches to the appropriate maintainers, but received no acknowledgment. That is, they were ignored. In a few other cases, I have seen my changes incorporated without credit, but that is another matter. The former (nonexistent or non-responsive maintainers) are preferable to the latter (egotistical plagiarists). [...] You own self interest would have been the point in coming clean earlier. Harold ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
RE: Proper attribution of patches
Thomas, as a casual observer of your behavior in respect to Harold, your last name would describe you better if it were shortened to Dick. Here is a Quote from Mr. Dickeys webpage where he is whining about not getting credit for patches he wrote: This is a collection of some of the patches which I have made to GNU programs. I have submitted these patches to the appropriate maintainers, but received no acknowledgment. That is, they were ignored. In a few other cases, I have seen my changes incorporated without credit, but that is another matter. The former (nonexistent or non-responsive maintainers) are preferable to the latter (egotistical plagiarists). And now, he is the one trying to claim credit for others work. Very adult of you. Thomas, you wouldn't let Harold commit patches. Now that he has moved the project, you are stealing his (and in this case) other peoples patches. Why don't you people grow up? Harold, thank you for continuing the work you do, and for putting up with these egotistical jerks in XFree86 land. Dan -Original Message- From: Thomas Dickey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Proper attribution of patches On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Thomas Dickey wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Your commit didn't mention this either. Our change log is in our release notes, where the changes were attributed to Ralf Habacker: tsk, tsk: the actual commit on the code change bears only your name. A casual reader of that commit (and of this thread) would gain the false impression that you did the work. Try to make a point the next time you choose to waste my time. You put *your* name in the change log message, making an active claim that you did the work. get to the point. or is logic beyond your capabilities? All you can focus on is that I didn't put _your_ name on the change. A shame. But given your previous behavior, entirely expected. Your so-called announcement was followup email to the _same_ people who had been able to watch the discussion of the problem. That's not an announcement. hmm - no overall changelog entry for the project, no webpage giving project news. Just a mailing list (subscription-only ;-). -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
RE: Proper attribution of patches
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Armbrust, Daniel C. wrote: I've seen your postings before, and have no use for your opinions. (that seems to be a common trait of Harold's friends - I don't have to address each one of them). -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
RE: Proper attribution of patches
Wow, your still so pissed off about being wrong, now you are attacking all of Harold's friends. Boy, you're a big powerful man. Let me bow before you. #1. I do not know Harold. All I know about him is what I have learned by following this list for about a year. #2. I don't know you. All I know about you is what you are posting to this list. #3. I don't need to defend my current opinion. It is correct. The only reason you are still posting like a 10 year old is because you know it is correct. If my opinion is wrong, why don't you actually respond to the points that I and others have made, instead of trying to insult more people? #4. My past postings addressed the same issue. The XFree86 people tend to behave like spoiled brat 10 years olds, fighting Harold every way that they can, while he continues to remain civil and present facts to support his issue, while the person on the other side ignores the facts and calls him names. #5. I have taken a small part in many other opensource projects (mostly under the jakarta umbrella) and I have never seen someone be as disrespectful and unhelpful as you (except for a couple of others on the XFree86 list, the last time they attacked Harold). Maybe someone can enlighten me as to the history of the project administrators of XFree86 becoming the enemies of the project? I would almost think they are on Microsofts payroll. You are continuing to act like a complete schmuck. Apologies to everyone else that continues to be annoyed by this pissing match. I'm going to start enjoying the holidays now, so I'm done posting for a while :) Dan -Original Message- From: Thomas Dickey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 5:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Proper attribution of patches On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Armbrust, Daniel C. wrote: I've seen your postings before, and have no use for your opinions. (that seems to be a common trait of Harold's friends - I don't have to address each one of them). -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
