Re: Autumn Elections 2017 are cancelled

[Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski]

On Thursday, 07 December 2017 at 18:54, Jan Kurik wrote:
> During the Autumn 2017 Election cycle we wanted to try a new approach
> in the way how Elections are organized [1]. Unfortunately, at the
> beginning of the Voting period we realized the new way does not work
> as expected [2] and even we tried to put some mitigation plan in place
> [3], we have not succeeded. To come up with some workable solution we
> have decided to cancel the currently running Autumn 2017 Elections and
> start it again in early January 2018. In upcoming days I will publish
> a schedule for the January 2018 Elections as well as more details on
> how we are going to organize it.

Who is "we" that "decided" to cancel the running elections? What were the
reasons for this "decision"? I object to this strongly. It doesn't look
like this "decision" was made through an open process as is the usual
Fedora way. I can't even find a Council ticket for this or a thread
in the council-discuss mailing list.

I'm afraid I'm losing confidence that the current Council is capable
of leading Fedora if they cannot even hold an election according to
the current documented rules without breaking them in more than one way.

I haven't checked if elections to the Council and Mindshare were
organized according to policy (maybe I should!), but with FESCo
elections, the following were broken:
1. Candidate nominations were accepted later than 3 days before
   the voting period started. This contradicts
   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_election_policy#Candidates
2. Candidates whose interviews weren't ready for publication before the
   start of the voting period were not disqualified. This contradicts
   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development/SteeringCommittee/Nominations

Due to not having enough (number of open seats + 25%) candidates on the
day before the voting period, the nomination period was extended by 3
days. Arguably, the extension should have happened 3 days earlier
and should have been made longer than 3 days because extending by 3 days
on the eve of the voting period start still doesn't give anyone a chance
to be nominated according to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FESCo_election_policy#Candidates .
I'd have extended by at least a week, also due to infrastructure
instability this week. The interview readiness deadline was,
suprisingly, extended by a week, allowing candidates who couldn't be
bothered to write their interviews to be voted in anyway. Nothing was
said about disqualifying candidates who'd fail to publish their interviews
despite getting votes in the first few days of the elections.

Last but not least, I wonder why all elections are being cancelled
instead of just FESCo. This was not explained, either.

With sad regards,
Dominik
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Re: Autumn Elections 2017 are cancelled

[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 12:39:08AM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> Who is "we" that "decided" to cancel the running elections? What were the
> reasons for this "decision"? I object to this strongly. It doesn't look
> like this "decision" was made through an open process as is the usual
> Fedora way. I can't even find a Council ticket for this or a thread
> in the council-discuss mailing list.

"We" is the council -- we had a quick discussion on the private council list
(which we normally reserve for sensitive things). I asked Jan to file a
public ticket about it because I agree this should be a public
discussion. It's a mess and we need to figure out how to reset it in a
way that restores confidence.

I had meant a ticket to discussion reseting everything, but in that
conversation, everyone on the council who chimed in was in favor of
restarting, so ... I guess I didn't communicate that clearly enough to
Jan, for which I apologize. (There's a bunch of other stuff going on
today and I was terse.)

All of that said, I don't think there was any *malice* here -- just a
series of unfortunately ad hoc decisions. I really do think resetting
and doing it better and more clearly is the best way forward.


> Last but not least, I wonder why all elections are being cancelled
> instead of just FESCo. This was not explained, either.

Because they were inconsistent too, and it's _really_ better to run
them all at the same time.

-- 
Matthew Miller

Fedora Project Leader
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Autumn Elections 2017 are cancelled

[Jan Kurik]

During the Autumn 2017 Election cycle we wanted to try a new approach
in the way how Elections are organized [1]. Unfortunately, at the
beginning of the Voting period we realized the new way does not work
as expected [2] and even we tried to put some mitigation plan in place
[3], we have not succeeded. To come up with some workable solution we
have decided to cancel the currently running Autumn 2017 Elections and
start it again in early January 2018. In upcoming days I will publish
a schedule for the January 2018 Elections as well as more details on
how we are going to organize it.

[1] https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/135
[2] https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/153
[3] 
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassad...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/QDZYPM6HKYB7A4DY2DQW7CM2HTEZAQJJ/

Regards,
Jan
-- 
Jan Kuřík
Platform & Fedora Program Manager
Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic
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