Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change Proposal: ELN Buildroot and Compose V4

2020-04-07 Thread Stephen Gallagher
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:53 PM Stephen Gallagher  wrote:
> I've just published a fourth version[1] of the ELN proposal. With a
> lot of input from Miro Hrončok, I think I've finally been able to
> clarify some of the points that we were getting hung up on.

Up to this point, we've been a little vague on what "there will
eventually be a way to maintain a fork of your package that will go
into RHEL" actually means. I can finally make this clearer:

- From now until RHEL 9 Alpha ships, work that is intended for
inclusion in RHEL 9 should be contributed to Fedora Rawhide (later,
F34 branch). After Alpha ships, a branch of CentOS Stream will open
that will accept contributions towards RHEL 9 Beta.

I'm pretty excited about this, myself.
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Fedora 33 System-Wide Change Proposal: ELN Buildroot and Compose V4

2020-04-06 Thread Stephen Gallagher
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I've just published a fourth version[1] of the ELN proposal. With a
lot of input from Miro Hrončok, I think I've finally been able to
clarify some of the points that we were getting hung up on.

Changes in this version of the proposal[2]:

* Improve our explanation of why we are doing ELN in the first place
* Clarify the relationship with Rawhide
* Better describe what happens if packages don't build on ELN
* Explain our plan for when to use conditionals (this was getting a
larger share of the conversation than it warranted because we didn't
do a good job of explaining that they should be the exception and not
the rule)
* Clarify that the time limit on PRs is only for determining if the
maintainer is responsive. If they reply, the timer is cleared.
* Fixed the question about upstream features to make it clear that
what we meant is that new features should go upstream first, not be
implemented as a fork in ELN
* Added a section explaining how we will deal with side-tags
* Make it clear that we don't want to diverge wherever possible and
that any planned divergence should be discussed with the ELN SIG ahead
of time
* Cleaned up the contingency plan section.

I hope that these changes will make our position more clear. Thank you
to everyone who has contributed to this discussion. I think the
feedback has been very valuable and I sincerely appreciate it.



[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ELN_Buildroot_and_Compose
[2] 
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Changes%2FELN_Buildroot_and_Compose=revision=570854=570256
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