Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
On 01/11/2012 08:29 AM, ext Quim Gil wrote: The only days that seem to suit a majority in this semester are during the week of June 18th. We still need to look at the availability of venues in Berlin for those dates. Daniel those of you with _Berliner Fachwissen_ : can you help nailing down the candidates available for an event hosting 200 people in 3 or more rooms between June 21-23 (or earlier that week)? At this point we only need to know availability and quote for the space, usual room equipment and good wlan. All the rest are commodities that won't change from a venue to another. In the meantime I'm putting my time and focus reaching to a critical mass of funding and attendance from the key Qt Project stakeholders. If it's not during these days then we hit the Summer holidays, and after that we start to be close (too?) to Dev Days. An alternative would be to combine both events (also good for optimizing costs). If you don't want to see this happening then your help is welcome solving the equation for the event in June. :) -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
On 01/09/2012 11:42 PM, ext Turunen Tuukka wrote: Hi All, My preference is to definitely have the Contributors Summit before summer in order to focus discussions into what should be in 5.1. So mid-May to mid-June is best, even though 5.0 is still on its way at that time. If we have the event in September, we have very little time until 5.1 (if it is planned to be out before end on 2012). The only days that seem to suit a majority in this semester are during the week of June 18th. We still need to look at the availability of venues in Berlin for those dates. If it's not during these days then we hit the Summer holidays, and after that we start to be close (too?) to Dev Days. An alternative would be to combine both events (also good for optimizing costs). A collateral comment: I see the importance of planning the content of 5.1 and the usefulness of a face to face meeting with that goal. However, a good free software project shouldn't depend of a +200 people event to sort out that efficiently, and an alternative would be to do a much smaller roadmapping-fest limited to e.g. maintainers and special guests. Wider participation could be achieved with the maintainers before the meeting, at a component level. Maintainers should be able to invite extra people at their own criteria if they think they have something to share or push that would benefit the roadmapping meeting. In fact the same model of hackfest can be applied to other hot areas needing face to face sessions. Meetings of about 40 people 2-3 days are *a lot* easier to organize and sponsor than a whole Summit of 200 people. Even teleconferences, hangouts etc can be really productive, easy and inexpensive to setup when it comes to discuss live with the right 10 people (or so). Please let's explore and try out these possibilities. We are doing our best to have a great Qt Contributors Summit at the right time and place, but we can't have the pressure of 'stopping the Qt Project' in our necks. If you know what I mean. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
On Wednesday 04 January 2012 16:59:40 ext marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com wrote: On 04/01/2012 09:54, ext Thiago Macieira wrote: On Wednesday, 4 de January de 2012 15.26.06, quim@nokia.com wrote: [...] June 28th - June 30th are the only dates available during June at the (amazing) venue we are looking for in Berlin. Would that work for you? Non-starter. Collides with Akademy (Jun 30-July 6) in Tallinn. If we're going to do it in late June, I'd suggest moving it to Tallinn. Am I allowed to call _that_ a non-starter? ;-) A rough inspection of the Qt Creator repo turns up more than a dozen .de addresses and not a single .ee one. Making it for (non-[ex-]Nokian) contributors as easy as possible to attend should have highest priority. In Berlin there's also a decent chance that most of the Qt Creator team accidentally drops in, at least for a day or so. While Tallinn is certainly a nice city, I would not expect the same to happen if the Summit is being held there. Btw, to me even June 28-30 + June 30-July 6 do not look completely incompatible. I am not sure how many people would go to both the Contributor's summit _and_ to Akademy _and_ *need* to be on both on the 30th... Anyway, Marius suggested: Maybe we could find a different venue in Berlin then, which would fit the original dates, June 14-16? That would be preferable at least to me personally, too. School holidays start on June 20 this year over here so I am not likely to go anywhere Qt related anyway on June 30... Andre' ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
On 5.1.2012 12:23 PM, ext André Pönitz andre.poen...@nokia.com wrote: On Wednesday 04 January 2012 16:59:40 ext marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com wrote: On 04/01/2012 09:54, ext Thiago Macieira wrote: On Wednesday, 4 de January de 2012 15.26.06, quim@nokia.com wrote: [...] June 28th - June 30th are the only dates available during June at the (amazing) venue we are looking for in Berlin. Would that work for you? Non-starter. Collides with Akademy (Jun 30-July 6) in Tallinn. If we're going to do it in late June, I'd suggest moving it to Tallinn. Am I allowed to call _that_ a non-starter? ;-) A rough inspection of the Qt Creator repo turns up more than a dozen .de addresses and not a single .ee one. Making it for (non-[ex-]Nokian) contributors as easy as possible to attend should have highest priority. In Berlin there's also a decent chance that most of the Qt Creator team accidentally drops in, at least for a day or so. While Tallinn is certainly a nice city, I would not expect the same to happen if the Summit is being held there. I agree. That was one of the reasons I chose Berlin last year. In addition, it's pretty central, and has accommodation options in literally all budget ranges. Btw, to me even June 28-30 + June 30-July 6 do not look completely incompatible. I am not sure how many people would go to both the Contributor's summit _and_ to Akademy _and_ *need* to be on both on the 30th... IMHO it's too far into summer anyway. A fair amount of people will be already on holidays or about to leave. Anyway, Marius suggested: Maybe we could find a different venue in Berlin then, which would fit the original dates, June 14-16? That would be preferable at least to me personally, too. School holidays start on June 20 this year over here so I am not likely to go anywhere Qt related anyway on June 30... See above. :) Alexandra Andre' ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development -- Alexandra Leisse mobile: +47 99 27 10 36 skype: alexandraleisse http://developer.qt.nokia.com ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
It would be great if May 28 - 30 would be good enough for everybody. These are the only dates available at BCC, which is a perfect venue for us. Please answer urgently. Thank you for all your feedback! Quim On 1/5/12 5:24 AM ext alexandra.lei...@nokia.com wrote: On 5.1.2012 12:23 PM, ext André Pönitz andre.poen...@nokia.com wrote: On Wednesday 04 January 2012 16:59:40 ext marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com wrote: On 04/01/2012 09:54, ext Thiago Macieira wrote: On Wednesday, 4 de January de 2012 15.26.06, quim@nokia.com wrote: [...] June 28th - June 30th are the only dates available during June at the (amazing) venue we are looking for in Berlin. Would that work for you? Non-starter. Collides with Akademy (Jun 30-July 6) in Tallinn. If we're going to do it in late June, I'd suggest moving it to Tallinn. Am I allowed to call _that_ a non-starter? ;-) A rough inspection of the Qt Creator repo turns up more than a dozen .de addresses and not a single .ee one. Making it for (non-[ex-]Nokian) contributors as easy as possible to attend should have highest priority. In Berlin there's also a decent chance that most of the Qt Creator team accidentally drops in, at least for a day or so. While Tallinn is certainly a nice city, I would not expect the same to happen if the Summit is being held there. I agree. That was one of the reasons I chose Berlin last year. In addition, it's pretty central, and has accommodation options in literally all budget ranges. Btw, to me even June 28-30 + June 30-July 6 do not look completely incompatible. I am not sure how many people would go to both the Contributor's summit _and_ to Akademy _and_ *need* to be on both on the 30th... IMHO it's too far into summer anyway. A fair amount of people will be already on holidays or about to leave. Anyway, Marius suggested: Maybe we could find a different venue in Berlin then, which would fit the original dates, June 14-16? That would be preferable at least to me personally, too. School holidays start on June 20 this year over here so I am not likely to go anywhere Qt related anyway on June 30... See above. :) Alexandra Andre' ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development -- Alexandra Leisse mobile: +47 99 27 10 36 skype: alexandraleisse http://developer.qt.nokia.com ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
Doh, forgot the little detail that by the ebd of May is very likely that everybody is in deep Qt 5 bugfixing. While we keep the search on June... Can you please comment on your preferences for potential dates in August, early September? If June doesn't work we could have something more BoFish and simple at aKademy with those attending that event anyway. Quim On 1/5/12 6:16 AM ext quim@nokia.com wrote: It would be great if May 28 - 30 would be good enough for everybody. These are the only dates available at BCC, which is a perfect venue for us. Please answer urgently. Thank you for all your feedback! Quim On 1/5/12 5:24 AM ext alexandra.lei...@nokia.com wrote: On 5.1.2012 12:23 PM, ext André Pönitz andre.poen...@nokia.com wrote: On Wednesday 04 January 2012 16:59:40 ext marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com wrote: On 04/01/2012 09:54, ext Thiago Macieira wrote: On Wednesday, 4 de January de 2012 15.26.06, quim@nokia.com wrote: [...] June 28th - June 30th are the only dates available during June at the (amazing) venue we are looking for in Berlin. Would that work for you? Non-starter. Collides with Akademy (Jun 30-July 6) in Tallinn. If we're going to do it in late June, I'd suggest moving it to Tallinn. Am I allowed to call _that_ a non-starter? ;-) A rough inspection of the Qt Creator repo turns up more than a dozen .de addresses and not a single .ee one. Making it for (non-[ex-]Nokian) contributors as easy as possible to attend should have highest priority. In Berlin there's also a decent chance that most of the Qt Creator team accidentally drops in, at least for a day or so. While Tallinn is certainly a nice city, I would not expect the same to happen if the Summit is being held there. I agree. That was one of the reasons I chose Berlin last year. In addition, it's pretty central, and has accommodation options in literally all budget ranges. Btw, to me even June 28-30 + June 30-July 6 do not look completely incompatible. I am not sure how many people would go to both the Contributor's summit _and_ to Akademy _and_ *need* to be on both on the 30th... IMHO it's too far into summer anyway. A fair amount of people will be already on holidays or about to leave. Anyway, Marius suggested: Maybe we could find a different venue in Berlin then, which would fit the original dates, June 14-16? That would be preferable at least to me personally, too. School holidays start on June 20 this year over here so I am not likely to go anywhere Qt related anyway on June 30... See above. :) Alexandra Andre' ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development -- Alexandra Leisse mobile: +47 99 27 10 36 skype: alexandraleisse http://developer.qt.nokia.com ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
Yes, in general anything before June 11th is a no-go for me personally. I haven’t set up my own schedule for after summer yet, so those months are still a blur to me. I would really prefer that we hold a solid Contributor Summit, and not rely on something half a**, tailed on some other event. Seems to me also that Berlin would be the most reasonable choice, unless we can persuade with something more exotic, like the French Riviera; Nice, for example? ☺ Alex + Danimo + Quim, are there any other venues than BCC which could work for us, and be available June 14-16, or 21-23? -- .marius From: development-bounces+marius.storm-olsen=nokia@qt-project.org [mailto:development-bounces+marius.storm-olsen=nokia@qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Gil Quim (Nokia-DXM/SiliconValley) Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:29 AM To: development@qt-project.org; Leisse Alexandra (Nokia-DXM/Oslo) Subject: Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where Doh, forgot the little detail that by the ebd of May is very likely that everybody is in deep Qt 5 bugfixing. While we keep the search on June... Can you please comment on your preferences for potential dates in August, early September? If June doesn't work we could have something more BoFish and simple at aKademy with those attending that event anyway. Quim On 1/5/12 6:16 AM ext quim@nokia.commailto:quim@nokia.com wrote: It would be great if May 28 - 30 would be good enough for everybody. These are the only dates available at BCC, which is a perfect venue for us. Please answer urgently. Thank you for all your feedback! Quim On 1/5/12 5:24 AM ext alexandra.lei...@nokia.commailto:alexandra.lei...@nokia.com wrote: On 5.1.2012 12:23 PM, ext André Pönitz andre.poen...@nokia.commailto:andre.poen...@nokia.com wrote: On Wednesday 04 January 2012 16:59:40 ext marius.storm-ol...@nokia.commailto:marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com wrote: On 04/01/2012 09:54, ext Thiago Macieira wrote: On Wednesday, 4 de January de 2012 15.26.06, quim@nokia.commailto:quim@nokia.com wrote: [...] June 28th - June 30th are the only dates available during June at the (amazing) venue we are looking for in Berlin. Would that work for you? Non-starter. Collides with Akademy (Jun 30-July 6) in Tallinn. If we're going to do it in late June, I'd suggest moving it to Tallinn. Am I allowed to call _that_ a non-starter? ;-) A rough inspection of the Qt Creator repo turns up more than a dozen .de addresses and not a single .ee one. Making it for (non-[ex-]Nokian) contributors as easy as possible to attend should have highest priority. In Berlin there's also a decent chance that most of the Qt Creator team accidentally drops in, at least for a day or so. While Tallinn is certainly a nice city, I would not expect the same to happen if the Summit is being held there. I agree. That was one of the reasons I chose Berlin last year. In addition, it's pretty central, and has accommodation options in literally all budget ranges. Btw, to me even June 28-30 + June 30-July 6 do not look completely incompatible. I am not sure how many people would go to both the Contributor's summit _and_ to Akademy _and_ *need* to be on both on the 30th... IMHO it's too far into summer anyway. A fair amount of people will be already on holidays or about to leave. Anyway, Marius suggested: Maybe we could find a different venue in Berlin then, which would fit the original dates, June 14-16? That would be preferable at least to me personally, too. School holidays start on June 20 this year over here so I am not likely to go anywhere Qt related anyway on June 30... See above. :) Alexandra Andre' ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.orgmailto:Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development -- Alexandra Leisse mobile: +47 99 27 10 36 skype: alexandraleisse http://developer.qt.nokia.com ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.orgmailto:Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
On Wednesday, 4 de January de 2012 15.26.06, quim@nokia.com wrote: Hi, sorry for webmail top-posting. June 28th - June 30th are the only dates available during June at the (amazing) venue we are looking for in Berlin. Would that work for you? Non-starter. Collides with Akademy (Jun 30-July 6) in Tallinn. If we're going to do it in late June, I'd suggest moving it to Tallinn. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center Intel Sweden AB - Registration Number: 556189-6027 Knarrarnäsgatan 15, 164 40 Kista, Stockholm, Sweden signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Quim Gil quim@nokia.com wrote: On 01/04/2012 07:59 AM, ext marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com wrote: On 04/01/2012 09:54, ext Thiago Macieira wrote: On Wednesday, 4 de January de 2012 15.26.06, quim@nokia.com wrote: Hi, sorry for webmail top-posting. June 28th - June 30th are the only dates available during June at the (amazing) venue we are looking for in Berlin. Would that work for you? Non-starter. Collides with Akademy (Jun 30-July 6) in Tallinn. Agreed. Not clashing with aKademy is out of question. If we're going to do it in late June, I'd suggest moving it to Tallinn. More thoughts on combining the Qt Contributors Summit with aKademy in Tallinn? I have been there and it's not a bad city. I believe it has cheap flights from many European destination and maybe the prices are in average lower than Berlin. For many it will be an extra hop, though. No idea about availability of spaces but it is probably less crowded and more affordable than Berlin? Would need to ask. Maybe we could find a different venue in Berlin then, which would fit the original dates, June 14-16? I have asked Alexandra Leisse and Daniel Molkentin. If anybody has suggestions please share. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development FWIW, I'd really like to see QtCS happening together with Akademy! Aleix ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
On Wednesday, 4 de January de 2012 08.23.12, Quim Gil wrote: More thoughts on combining the Qt Contributors Summit with aKademy in Tallinn? I have been there and it's not a bad city. I believe it has cheap flights from many European destination and maybe the prices are in average lower than Berlin. For many it will be an extra hop, though. Actually, now that I think about it, I remember one snag with this: Lars's vacation dates. I think when the Akademy dates were announced, he told me that he had already planned on being on vacation on those days. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center Intel Sweden AB - Registration Number: 556189-6027 Knarrarnäsgatan 15, 164 40 Kista, Stockholm, Sweden signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
The Qt Contributors Summit is an event by / for the developers subscribed to this list. Let's have here the discussion about the big items and then we can move to the [marketing] list for the 'implementation details'. It is urgent to book a location! Let's focus the discussion in the points required to get dates a place. After many discussions with many people we seem to agree on the following: - The first edition was a success and it is out of question that we need to keep organizing this event in 2012. - It's good to keep aiming to get about 200 people as long as it's the right people instead of trying to grow just because - losing agility and effectiveness in collaboration and getting things done. - Berlin is a convenient location. There is already a lot of Qt contributors nearby and is easily reachable from other countries. - 3 days seems to be good. - It is good to find a mixture of weekend work days e.g. from Friday to Sunday. Let me know if you are happy with all this. The big items that are still missing: - When? There have been different opinions and the trend seems to be that it is better to do it after Qt 5 is released, otherwise people will be too stuck with bugfixing and pressure to release. But we can't do it in the middle of Summer holidays either. This would send us to late August - September. This is the critical point, all feedback is welcome. - How many rooms, which capacity? No need to get into details but having a rough idea would be useful in order to book the right amount of space. For you this means what type of event do you want: was the event last year good or would you prefer a different distribution? For us booking the venue it has clear implications in the contract and the budget. PS: speaking of budget, we need to discuss also the organization and funding of the event. 100% by Nokia again or do others want to step in? This is a discussion for the [marketing] list. Event volunteers and potential sponsors: make sure you are subscribed to that list http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
On 03/01/2012 12:25, ext Jonas M. Gastal wrote: On Tuesday 03 January 2012 18:11:08 marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com wrote: On 03/01/2012 11:14, ext Quim Gil wrote: - When? There have been different opinions and the trend seems to be that it is better to do it after Qt 5 is released, otherwise people will be too stuck with bugfixing and pressure to release. But we can't do it in the middle of Summer holidays either. This would send us to late August - September. This is the critical point, all feedback is welcome. If we'd follow last year as a template, it would be Thursday June 14th - Saturday June 16th. I have my doubts if doing it then or after summer matters much time-wise. Everyone will always have plenty to do anyways. I think doing it after the release of Qt 5.0 could be good in the sense of giving the summit more focus, if we do it after we can use the summit as a forum to discuss the direction we want to take 5.1 in. If the summit happens before 5.0 the focus will be split. It would be well after the feature freeze anyways, so features discussed at the summit would have to be targeted 5.1 anyways. I think we need to get into a rhythm. The plan is to have Qt releases pretty regularly; every 6 months or so. So, with that in mind, I think we should aim to also keep the Contributor Summits also regular, and set a month when we would want it to happen. Personally, I think it would be good with releases before summer, not after. So then a before summer summit could (/should?) coincide with an actual release. I like having the summit before the summer, since it might give contributors not backed by a company the chance to work on fun and important things during the summer, if they'd want to. (Schools out, and they are looking fun projects!) It could also be an important meeting for Google Summer of Code candidates, for some face to face chat with the community before the summer starts. -- .marius ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
Op 3-1-2012 19:48, marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com schreef: On 03/01/2012 12:25, ext Jonas M. Gastal wrote: On Tuesday 03 January 2012 18:11:08 marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com wrote: On 03/01/2012 11:14, ext Quim Gil wrote: - When? There have been different opinions and the trend seems to be that it is better to do it after Qt 5 is released, otherwise people will be too stuck with bugfixing and pressure to release. But we can't do it in the middle of Summer holidays either. This would send us to late August - September. This is the critical point, all feedback is welcome. If we'd follow last year as a template, it would be Thursday June 14th - Saturday June 16th. I have my doubts if doing it then or after summer matters much time-wise. Everyone will always have plenty to do anyways. I think doing it after the release of Qt 5.0 could be good in the sense of giving the summit more focus, if we do it after we can use the summit as a forum to discuss the direction we want to take 5.1 in. If the summit happens before 5.0 the focus will be split. It would be well after the feature freeze anyways, so features discussed at the summit would have to be targeted 5.1 anyways. I think we need to get into a rhythm. The plan is to have Qt releases pretty regularly; every 6 months or so. So, with that in mind, I think we should aim to also keep the Contributor Summits also regular, and set a month when we would want it to happen. Personally, I think it would be good with releases before summer, not after. So then a before summer summit could (/should?) coincide with an actual release. I like having the summit before the summer, since it might give contributors not backed by a company the chance to work on fun and important things during the summer, if they'd want to. (Schools out, and they are looking fun projects!) It could also be an important meeting for Google Summer of Code candidates, for some face to face chat with the community before the summer starts. I agree with the timing for another reason: doing it after summer would put the event too close to the Qt DevDays. While that is a different type of event, it is another venue where you meet your fellow Qt developers. Last year, we also had contributor meetings during these events. It would be useful to keep them a bit apart, unless you actually put them back-to-back. I think that also makes it easier to get company funding for trips to visit these events. André ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
Op 3-1-2012 21:14, Richard Moore schreef: - How many rooms, which capacity? No need to get into details but having a rough idea would be useful in order to book the right amount of space. For you this means what type of event do you want: was the event last year good or would you prefer a different distribution? For us booking the venue it has clear implications in the contract and the budget. Last year I got the impression that the number of rooms were fine, but the size of (some of) the rooms were not. Some sessions had people standing up against the wall, and sitting on the floor, and too little ventilation. Lets not do that again. Yes, I think we need a few bigger rooms than we had last year. We had lots of rooms that were good for small sessions, but the big ones were totally overfull which was no fun for anyone. Agreed. However, how you figure out what session to put in what room? Last year, the format was that of an unconference. How you choose what room to put your session in? It is hard to estimate the number of interested people for any session in such a setup. I, for one, was (pleasantly) surprised by the interest in the SQL one I put on the board last year. It was not one of those overcrowded ones (everyone had a chair!), but still more crowded than I expected. Anyway, I guess bigger rooms on average for the same number of people would take away much of the pressure already. André ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
