Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
For real auto test, it's very different to run between on real hardware and on other emulator solutions. But I agree with Thiago that emulator solutions is better than real hardware for CI, CI can't be too slow on some specific platforms. We really need to have daily build and auto test running on some selected hardware platforms, but not in CI. At least it could give some feedback to the developers who focus on those specific platforms. We did that before for symbian/meego. Regards, Liang From: development-bounces+liang.qi=digia@qt-project.org [development-bounces+liang.qi=digia@qt-project.org] on behalf of Thiago A. Corrêa [thiago.cor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:50 PM To: Rutledge Shawn Cc: development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms Hi On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Rutledge Shawn shawn.rutle...@digia.com wrote: Well it's so uncommon to do builds right on the ARM platform, and maybe our CI is not currently set up to cross-compile on one platform and run tests on another? But it's probably possible to do with a few Raspberry Pi's or some sort of ARM-based blade server, as long as it has enough storage and RAM and ethernet, just like the other platforms. Then install one of the more complete ARM distros like Debian or Arch that actually has a compiler, and icecream. But it might still slow down the overall CI process unless there are enough of them to run in parallel. Compiling on the target is very unusual, and slow. Crosscompiling + running tests on qemu looks like a better option IMHO. Kind Regards, Thiago A. Correa ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
On 16.11.2012 10.39, Qi Liang liang...@digia.com wrote: For real auto test, it's very different to run between on real hardware and on other emulator solutions. But I agree with Thiago that emulator solutions is better than real hardware for CI, CI can't be too slow on some specific platforms. Exactly. We have another system in place at Digia that runs automated tests in much larger amount of platforms than are in the CI. These include a number of different embedded operating systems running on some different HW platforms. We really need to have daily build and auto test running on some selected hardware platforms, but not in CI. At least it could give some feedback to the developers who focus on those specific platforms. We did that before for symbian/meego. Correct. The current release test system is in no way connected to the CI (except that we leverage same test asset and built the automation on top of it), and currently only running with 4.8. We need to connect this to the CI and overall test system at some point after we have 5.0.0 completed. Yours, Tuukka ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
Hi, I have been following discussion on this thread for a while now and here are some comments from CI point of view. First I would like to list existing CI configurations since there clearly are some misunderstandings: Qt 4.8 linux-g++-32_Ubuntu_10.04_x86 linux-g++_developer-build_qtnamespace_qtlibinfix_Ubuntu_11.10_x64 linux-g++_shadow-build_Ubuntu_12.04_x64 qws_linux-x86-g++ macx-g++_OSX_10.6 macx-g++_developer-build_OSX_10.7 win32-msvc2010_Windows_7 win32-msvc2010_developer-build_Windows_7 These we plan to keep as is, possibly adding one OS X 10.8 and Windows 8 configuration. Qt 5.x linux-g++-32_Ubuntu_10.04_x86 linux-g++-32_developer-build_Ubuntu_10.04_x86 linux-arm-gnueabi-g++_Ubuntu_11.10_x86 linux-g++_shadow-build_Ubuntu_11.10_x86 linux-g++_developer-build_qtnamespace_qtlibinfix_Ubuntu_11.10_x64 linux-g++_no-widgets_Ubuntu_12.04_x64 macx-g++_developer-build_OSX_10.6 macx-clang_developer-build_qtnamespace_OSX_10.7 win32-msvc2010_Windows_7 win32-msvc2010_developer-build_qtnamespace_Windows_7 win32-msvc2010_developer-build_angle_Windows_7 One important thing to note about CI system is that it is not only OS version or compiler, but there is also set of different Qt configure options being tested and all of those require about equivalent HW capacity. So when you today stage something in any of the Qt5 repos, 11 machines start building and testing your change. When you multiply that with amount of Qt5 repositories and possibly soon introduced branching of repositories. You will quite quickly end-up to very high need for HW capacity. Then a few comments discussions on this thread: However, if when we do decide to remove XP from the CI system it should be replaced with vista (as the oldest supported windows version). We shouldn't test only W7 and W8. Windows XP is not currently tested by CI and I don't believe adding it to CI would be rational in this phase - there are more important configurations to test on HW limits we have. If adding Windows XP to makes sense somewhere it is Qt 4.8 CI. There is also no Windows Vista in CI and adding that to CI makes even less sense for me. Based on our customer surveys installation-base for Vista is very small (compared to XP and 7),and decreasing all the time. I am wondering if windows-7-64-msvc2010-angle should become a reference platform and windows-7-32-msvc2010-angle a tier 1 instead, given that Windows is 64bit now and running 32 bit applications is not really native. It would be nice to have it tested though, since compiling on 64bit reveals additional warnings about casting between different ints/pointers, etc, that might one day be caught by a compiler warnings check (which I am still hoping for). Tuukka also wants to see Windows 8 (maybe replacing XP). I agree CI system should definitely have some 64-bit and Windows 8 configurations,but I also would like to keep some 32-bit Windows configurations there. And like Kai reminded in one of the previous mails we should get also MinGW to CI system. With these in mind my suggestion for Qt5 Windows CI configurations: win32-msvc2010_Windows_7 win32-msvc2010_developer-build_angle_Windows_7 win32-mingw47_developer-build_qtlibinfix_Windows_7(new) win64-msvc2012_developer-build_qtnamespace_Windows_8 (new) Tuukka and Qi Liang wants to see OS X 10.8 (maybe replacing 10.6) in the list. The feasibility of this is probably something again for the CI system maintainers + mac platform maintainer (Morten) to answer... IMO Mac OS X 10.8 must be Tier 1. Something like half a year after Qt 5.0.0, Mac OS 10.9 will be released and 10.6 becomes more and more irrelevant. I agree 10.6 is not very relevant for Qt5. And keeping in mind that we have limited HW capacity, I suggest the following CI configurations for OS SX: macx-clang_developer-build_qtnamespace_OSX_10.7 macx-clang_developer-build_OSX_10.8 (new with case-sensitive file system) One additional thing I would like to study related to OS X CI configurations is sandboxing. There haven't been too much discussion about different Linux configurations, But as you can see from list of currently CI tested configurations there are quite many of them. Personally I'm thinking that we should remove Ubuntu 10.04 or at least reduce the number of tested configurations from 2 to 1 and use that HW capacity to extended testing of different Windows configurations and possibly static builds of Qt. That said my suggestion for Qt 5 Linux CI configurations is: linux-g++-32_Ubuntu_10.04_x86 (possibly to be removed) linux-arm-gnueabi-g++_Ubuntu_11.10_x86 linux-g++_shadow-build_Ubuntu_11.10_x86 linux-g++_developer-build_qtnamespace_qtlibinfix_Ubuntu_11.10_x64 linux-g++_no-widgets_Ubuntu_12.04_x64 linux-g++developer-build_static_Ubuntu_12.04_x64 (new) However, since right now no external platform
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
On Nov 13, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Koehne Kai kai.koe...@digia.com wrote: Tukka and Qi Liang wants to see OS X 10.8 (maybe replacing 10.6) in the list. The feasibility of this is probably something again for the CI system maintainers + mac platform maintainer (Morten) to answer... We should make the most recent version of OS X Tier 1 as it is released, if nothing else for the messaging: We think this platform is important. Can we say Latest Mac OS X? 10.6 is separate issue. It is getting less relevant, but still has a significant market share (31%)[0]. I would say it's a bit to early to drop it. Morten [0] http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10qpcustomd=0qpcustomb=*2 ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
There haven't been too much discussion about different Linux configurations, But as you can see from list of currently CI tested configurations there are quite many of them. Personally I'm thinking that we should remove Ubuntu 10.04 or at least reduce the number of tested configurations from 2 to 1 and use that HW capacity to extended testing of different Windows configurations and possibly static builds of Qt. That said my suggestion for Qt 5 Linux CI configurations is: linux-g++-32_Ubuntu_10.04_x86 (possibly to be removed) linux-arm-gnueabi-g++_Ubuntu_11.10_x86 linux-g++_shadow-build_Ubuntu_11.10_x86 linux-g++_developer-build_qtnamespace_qtlibinfix_Ubuntu_11.10_x64 linux-g++_no-widgets_Ubuntu_12.04_x64 linux-g++developer-build_static_Ubuntu_12.04_x64 (new) 10.04 LTS is more important than 11.10, as it gives test coverage of a different window manager and the 0.9 openSSL libraries. I'd say to drop 11.10 if anything, since it is very similar to 12.04 LTS. If keeping only one configuration on a platform, keep the developer build since it has more test coverage than the production build. This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the e-mail by you is prohibited. Where allowed by local law, electronic communications with Accenture and its affiliates, including e-mail and instant messaging (including content), may be scanned by our systems for the purposes of information security and assessment of internal compliance with Accenture policy. __ www.accenture.com ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
On 11/14/12 8:37 AM, Sorvig Morten wrote: 10.6 is separate issue. It is getting less relevant, but still has a significant market share (31%)[0]. I would say it's a bit to early to drop it. Also 10.6 supports 32-bit machines. If 10.6 is still officially supported, so should 32-bit on 10.6. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
Could openSuse Build Service results be used at all? On 15/11/2012 12:38 AM, Stephen Chu wrote: On 11/14/12 8:37 AM, Sorvig Morten wrote: 10.6 is separate issue. It is getting less relevant, but still has a significant market share (31%)[0]. I would say it's a bit to early to drop it. Also 10.6 supports 32-bit machines. If 10.6 is still officially supported, so should 32-bit on 10.6. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
Hi, Since there hasn't been strong objections against the list I updated the page (starting with a more general note that Windows, Linux and Mac OS X are the supported platforms, as Thiago suggested) : http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5 . That doesn't mean though that we can't extend it further ... here are some (personal) remarks to some comments: Friedemann said he'd like to have msvc 2010 64 bit as reference platform, maybe replacing msvc 2010 32 bit. Problems I see is that we don't test it right now in the CI system, and that e.g. qtwebkit has currently problems on windows 64 bit. Tukka and Qi Liang wants to see OS X 10.8 (maybe replacing 10.6) in the list. The feasibility of this is probably something again for the CI system maintainers + mac platform maintainer (Morten) to answer... Tukka also wants to see Windows 8 (maybe replacing XP). Maybe Friedemann (platform maintainer) can comment as platform maintainer whether that is a good idea? Peter said RIM is working towards making Qt 5 working on the Blackberry 10 (ARM and x86) . I think it would be fine with adding it to the list of tier 1 platforms (even without CI), as long as it's part of the release process (testing, packaging etc) and also properly tested. Regards Kai -Original Message- From: development-bounces+kai.koehne=digia@qt-project.org [mailto:development-bounces+kai.koehne=digia@qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Koehne Kai Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:08 PM To: development@qt-project.org Subject: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms Hi, The list of reference Tier 1 platforms at http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt- 5#Platforms is somewhat out of date ... Here is a new proposal Reference Platforms: We have the following platform configurations as reference platforms for Qt 5.0: PLATFORM CONFIGURATION COMPILER linux-x86-32-gcc-x11 Ubuntu Linux 11.10 ×86 32 bit, X11as provided linux-x86-64-gcc-x11 Ubuntu Linux 11.10 ×86 64 bit, X11as provided windows-7-32-msvc2010-angle Microsoft Windows 7 32 bit, ANGLE MSVC2010-SP1 32-bit osx-10.7-64 Apple Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Cocoa 64 bit as provided Tier 1 platforms: In addition to the reference platform configurations, we support the following configurations on Tier 1 level. PLATFORM CONFIGURATION COMPILER windows-7-64-msvc2010-angle Microsoft Windows 7 64 bit, ANGLE MSVC2010-SP1 64-bit windows-7-32-msvc2010-opengl Microsoft Windows 7 32 bit, OpenGL MSVC2010-SP1 32-bit windows-7-64-msvc2010-opengl Microsoft Windows 7 64 bit, OpenGL MSVC2010-SP1 64-bit windows-7-32-mingw-builds Microsoft Windows XP Windows 7 32 bit gcc 4.7 (MinGW-builds) windows-xp-32-msvc2008Microsoft Windows XP SP3 32 bit MSVC 2008 32-bit osx-10.6-64 Apple Mac OS X 10.6 Cocoa 64 bit as provided Remarks: Before you shoot, check http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors- summit- 2011/wiki/Qt5ProductDefinition#4582cf86974b397c8f3a2ed2fd502f8c to see what we agreed upon back then what the requirements of a 'reference platform' and 'Tier 1 platform' are, specifically that they are in tested by the CI system, and are available as alpha, beta, final packages. windows-7-64-msvc2010, windows-7-64-msvc2010-angle, windows-7-32- mingw-builds aren't checked in the CI system right now. Still I think they are important enough to deserve an exception, and remain in Tier 1. I understood that whether we can keep osx-10.6-64 bit as Tier 1 platform for qtwebkit is yet unclear. Finally, I don't know what to do with the *wayland, *mips, *icc platforms in the current version of the page. Regards Kai ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
Friedemann said he'd like to have msvc 2010 64 bit as reference platform, maybe replacing msvc 2010 32 bit. Really? I would assume that 32-bit is still a significantly-large audience that we could *add* 64-bit, but that we likely would need to keep 32-bit (for a while). Have developers really cut-over to 64-bit *deployment*? (We only deploy 32-bit to enable a single set of binary-installers for many target platforms, including embedded, even though yes, some of those target platforms happen to be 64-bit.) If msvc 2010 32-bit is dropped as reference/tier-1, then we would probably need to update our deployment to have two sets of installers (32-bit because of embedded needs, but also 64-bit because that would be the new reference/tier-1). This is only an observation (not a criticism) -- we'd like to take our embedded to 64-bit eventually, but I'm unsure of when the generic-user-base will no longer have a plethora of 32-bit-Windows user operating systems. So, question: How many developers target 64-bit Windows exclusively (not 32-bit-Windows)? (Has that day come?) --charley ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
On terça-feira, 13 de novembro de 2012 07.02.40, Charley Bay wrote: Friedemann said he'd like to have msvc 2010 64 bit as reference platform, maybe replacing msvc 2010 32 bit. Really? I would assume that 32-bit is still a significantly-large audience that we could *add* 64-bit, but that we likely would need to keep 32-bit (for a while). Reference != Tier 1. I am with you that we can't stop supporting it. 32-bit needs to remain Tier 1. But I wouldn't mind seeing 64-bit as a reference platform, whenever that is possible. So, question: How many developers target 64-bit Windows exclusively (not 32-bit-Windows)? (Has that day come?) -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
From: Koehne Kai kai.koe...@digia.com Friedemann said he'd like to have msvc 2010 64 bit as reference platform, maybe replacing msvc 2010 32 bit. Problems I see is that we don't test it right now in the CI system, and that e.g. qtwebkit has currently problems on windows 64 bit. Agree with comments already made regarding this. Tukka also wants to see Windows 8 (maybe replacing XP). Maybe Friedemann (platform maintainer) can comment as platform maintainer whether that is a good idea? Win8 support would be nice to add, but please do not drop WinXP. MS may be dropping official, public support for WinXP in 2014; but it will still be around for a very long time. Ben ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
On 13 Nov 2012, at 14:17, Koehne Kai kai.koe...@digia.com wrote: Hi, Since there hasn't been strong objections against the list I updated the page (starting with a more general note that Windows, Linux and Mac OS X are the supported platforms, as Thiago suggested) : http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5 . That doesn't mean though that we can't extend it further ... here are some (personal) remarks to some comments: Friedemann said he'd like to have msvc 2010 64 bit as reference platform, maybe replacing msvc 2010 32 bit. Problems I see is that we don't test it right now in the CI system, and that e.g. qtwebkit has currently problems on windows 64 bit. Tukka and Qi Liang wants to see OS X 10.8 (maybe replacing 10.6) in the list. The feasibility of this is probably something again for the CI system maintainers + mac platform maintainer (Morten) to answer… IMO Mac OS X 10.8 must be Tier 1. Something like half a year after Qt 5.0.0, Mac OS 10.9 will be released and 10.6 becomes more and more irrelevant. ++ Eike Tukka also wants to see Windows 8 (maybe replacing XP). Maybe Friedemann (platform maintainer) can comment as platform maintainer whether that is a good idea? Peter said RIM is working towards making Qt 5 working on the Blackberry 10 (ARM and x86) . I think it would be fine with adding it to the list of tier 1 platforms (even without CI), as long as it's part of the release process (testing, packaging etc) and also properly tested. Regards Kai -Original Message- From: development-bounces+kai.koehne=digia@qt-project.org [mailto:development-bounces+kai.koehne=digia@qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Koehne Kai Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:08 PM To: development@qt-project.org Subject: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms Hi, The list of reference Tier 1 platforms at http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt- 5#Platforms is somewhat out of date ... Here is a new proposal Reference Platforms: We have the following platform configurations as reference platforms for Qt 5.0: PLATFORM CONFIGURATION COMPILER linux-x86-32-gcc-x11 Ubuntu Linux 11.10 ×86 32 bit, X11as provided linux-x86-64-gcc-x11 Ubuntu Linux 11.10 ×86 64 bit, X11as provided windows-7-32-msvc2010-angle Microsoft Windows 7 32 bit, ANGLE MSVC2010-SP1 32-bit osx-10.7-64 Apple Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Cocoa 64 bit as provided Tier 1 platforms: In addition to the reference platform configurations, we support the following configurations on Tier 1 level. PLATFORM CONFIGURATION COMPILER windows-7-64-msvc2010-angle Microsoft Windows 7 64 bit, ANGLE MSVC2010-SP1 64-bit windows-7-32-msvc2010-opengl Microsoft Windows 7 32 bit, OpenGL MSVC2010-SP1 32-bit windows-7-64-msvc2010-opengl Microsoft Windows 7 64 bit, OpenGL MSVC2010-SP1 64-bit windows-7-32-mingw-builds Microsoft Windows XP Windows 7 32 bit gcc 4.7 (MinGW-builds) windows-xp-32-msvc2008Microsoft Windows XP SP3 32 bit MSVC 2008 32-bit osx-10.6-64 Apple Mac OS X 10.6 Cocoa 64 bit as provided Remarks: Before you shoot, check http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors- summit- 2011/wiki/Qt5ProductDefinition#4582cf86974b397c8f3a2ed2fd502f8c to see what we agreed upon back then what the requirements of a 'reference platform' and 'Tier 1 platform' are, specifically that they are in tested by the CI system, and are available as alpha, beta, final packages. windows-7-64-msvc2010, windows-7-64-msvc2010-angle, windows-7-32- mingw-builds aren't checked in the CI system right now. Still I think they are important enough to deserve an exception, and remain in Tier 1. I understood that whether we can keep osx-10.6-64 bit as Tier 1 platform for qtwebkit is yet unclear. Finally, I don't know what to do with the *wayland, *mips, *icc platforms in the current version of the page. Regards Kai ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development -- Eike Ziller, Senior Software Engineer - Digia, Qt Digia Germany GmbH, Rudower Chaussee 13, D-12489 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Mika Pälsi, Juha Varelius, Anja Wasenius Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin, Registergericht: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 144331 B ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
Win8 support would be nice to add, but please do not drop WinXP. MS may be dropping official, public support for WinXP in 2014; but it will still be around for a very long time. Ben Are you referring to XP for embedded? (which survives until 2016) I'd strongly advise anyone not to use a operating system for which there are no security updates on a general purpose machine. While you may need to continue supporting products based on XP embedded, would that include putting new releases of Qt on them? However, if when we do decide to remove XP from the CI system it should be replaced with vista (as the oldest supported windows version). We shouldn't test only W7 and W8. My view would be that XP should not be a tier 1 platform for new releases when MS discontinues extended support. It should still be tested for patch releases of already released Qt versions. This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the e-mail by you is prohibited. Where allowed by local law, electronic communications with Accenture and its affiliates, including e-mail and instant messaging (including content), may be scanned by our systems for the purposes of information security and assessment of internal compliance with Accenture policy. __ www.accenture.com ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
On 7 Nov 2012, at 1:26 PM, Laszlo Papp wrote: On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Kate Alhola kate.alh...@gmail.com wrote: There are no longer ANY mobile platform among Tier-1 platforms at all. linux-arm7-gcc-wayland Linux, ARM7, Wayland. To be specified in more detail can be MeeGo/SailFish but that's very little for us, mobile developers. Why there is not even Android even it is leading mobile platform and Qt works fine on it. To have even some degree of reasonable cross platform story, least Android and iOS should be there. Qt for mobile is not dead after Nokia but I rather say that it is only cross platform mobile toolkit. Html5 is only . I have always been surprised why there has no been more work done on the CI front towards the very common ARM platform. I had to catch common ARM issues on Harmattan and elsewhere (not only mobile phone material) that pretty much came up for all the cases. Such things would have been really nice to be caught by CI. Well it's so uncommon to do builds right on the ARM platform, and maybe our CI is not currently set up to cross-compile on one platform and run tests on another? But it's probably possible to do with a few Raspberry Pi's or some sort of ARM-based blade server, as long as it has enough storage and RAM and ethernet, just like the other platforms. Then install one of the more complete ARM distros like Debian or Arch that actually has a compiler, and icecream. But it might still slow down the overall CI process unless there are enough of them to run in parallel. In general I think we could have some more machines which work more like the doc bot and the sanity bot, checking patches and providing feedback without blocking integration. ARM and PowerPC and minority OSes. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
Hi On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Rutledge Shawn shawn.rutle...@digia.com wrote: Well it's so uncommon to do builds right on the ARM platform, and maybe our CI is not currently set up to cross-compile on one platform and run tests on another? But it's probably possible to do with a few Raspberry Pi's or some sort of ARM-based blade server, as long as it has enough storage and RAM and ethernet, just like the other platforms. Then install one of the more complete ARM distros like Debian or Arch that actually has a compiler, and icecream. But it might still slow down the overall CI process unless there are enough of them to run in parallel. Compiling on the target is very unusual, and slow. Crosscompiling + running tests on qemu looks like a better option IMHO. Kind Regards, Thiago A. Correa ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
From: shane.kea...@accenture.com shane.kea...@accenture.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms Win8 support would be nice to add, but please do not drop WinXP. MS may be dropping official, public support for WinXP in 2014; but it will still be around for a very long time. Are you referring to XP for embedded? (which survives until 2016) I'd strongly advise anyone not to use a operating system for which there are no security updates on a general purpose machine. While you may need to continue supporting products based on XP embedded, would that include putting new releases of Qt on them? No, I'm talking about XP, at least XP Pro. Many companies are still using it and will continue to use it. And whether or not I like it, I'm stuck supporting it - whether MS wants to or not. And yes, I do plan on putting new release of Qt on it - as new as I can get. As soon as Qt5 is out and it makes sense, I'll be looking at porting everything to Qt5; but I'll still have to support XP systems since I already have a number in the field and can't simply tell them they need to upgrade the system to a newer version of Windows. (My main Windows support environment is an XP Pro Virtual Machine.) However, if when we do decide to remove XP from the CI system it should be replaced with vista (as the oldest supported windows version). We shouldn't test only W7 and W8. XP will probably be around longer than Vista will be. Not to say that Vista won't have a small market share, but it will probably be (and remain to be) negligible compared to XP and Win7. My view would be that XP should not be a tier 1 platform for new releases when MS discontinues extended support. It should still be tested for patch releases of already released Qt versions. Agreed at the very least; but Qt5 should officially support XP if at all possible. XP won't have Extended Support discontinued until 2014 for starters (http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?ln=en-gbc2=1173). Ben ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
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Compiling on the target is very unusual, and slow. Crosscompiling + running tests on qemu looks like a better option IMHO. The ubuntu-arm, arch-arm community and the like would say the opposite (i.e. think of a powerful board like beagle). While scratchbox was also a cross-compilation environment, the build situation was a bit similar to how you build on the target, so you had an emulated environment (qemu, not just for tests!). Many issues occured that would not occur without emulaton like in MADDE et al. I personally do not mind the slower compilation if I can do that in the background without baby-sitting if it requires less active work than more difficult cross-compilation setups. Hence, I agree with Shawn about that it would be very nice to have because unfortunately I got many issues in such environments. Laszlo ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
On 6.11.2012 23.02, Thiago Macieira thiago.macie...@intel.com wrote: The above looks fine. I'd just like to be clear that the reference platforms are, generically: - Windows - Mac OS X - Linux (Wayland and X11) and that you're just being specific of what that means at this particular point in time. True. It is important to have the exact configuration clearly communicated for each release. Like above, generically speaking, tier 1 platforms are those that participate in the release process, providing a good, usable release and, in addition, have a team that commits to supporting it for a certain period of time. It is very important to have the Tier 1 platforms in the CI (and vice versa, as earlier discussed if it is not in a CI it should not be called a Tier 1 platform). Your list of criteria above is a good declination and a goal that we should strive for. However, since right now no external platform can integrate with the CI, I don't think it's fair to require it. So we should be able to list certain platforms as Tier 1, provided they meet the other quality criteria, even if they aren't in the CI. We should be able to do some CI modifications still before the final release, if that is what we want to do. When possible, I would like us to support OS X 10.8, Windows 8 (desktop mode) and Ubuntu 12.04 as Tier 1 platforms of Qt 5. All these seem to work, but we need to have these in CI as well. What comes to supporting Windows XP and Mac OS X 10.6 with Qt 5.0 I think it is more important to support the new ones than these, because it is a new major version. Specifically, I'm thinking of QNX and, in turn, wondering if the team behind it is committed to the quality effort to Tier 1 in 5.0. We have now created the CI system setup in such way that it is possible to connect external platforms. It would be interesting to try this with QNX for Qt 5.x. Yours, Tuukka ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
Hi, I am wondering if windows-7-64-msvc2010-angle should become a reference platform and windows-7-32-msvc2010-angle a tier 1 instead, given that Windows is 64bit now and running 32 bit applications is not really native. I understand there are practical problems to getting that tested in the CI as there are no distributing compilers for 64bit? It would be nice to have it tested though, since compiling on 64bit reveals additional warnings about casting between different ints/pointers, etc, that might one day be caught by a compiler warnings check (which I am still hoping for). Regards, Friedemann -- Friedemann Kleint Digia, Qt ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
There are no longer ANY mobile platform among Tier-1 platforms at all. linux-arm7-gcc-wayland Linux, ARM7, Wayland. To be specified in more detail can be MeeGo/SailFish but that's very little for us, mobile developers. Why there is not even Android even it is leading mobile platform and Qt works fine on it. To have even some degree of reasonable cross platform story, least Android and iOS should be there. Qt for mobile is not dead after Nokia but I rather say that it is only cross platform mobile toolkit. Html5 is only . Kate On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Koehne Kai kai.koe...@digia.com wrote: Hi, The list of reference Tier 1 platforms at http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5#Platforms is somewhat out of date ... Here is a new proposal Reference Platforms: We have the following platform configurations as reference platforms for Qt 5.0: PLATFORM CONFIGURATION COMPILER linux-x86-32-gcc-x11 Ubuntu Linux 11.10 ×86 32 bit, X11as provided linux-x86-64-gcc-x11 Ubuntu Linux 11.10 ×86 64 bit, X11as provided windows-7-32-msvc2010-angle Microsoft Windows 7 32 bit, ANGLE MSVC2010-SP1 32-bit osx-10.7-64 Apple Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Cocoa 64 bit as provided Tier 1 platforms: In addition to the reference platform configurations, we support the following configurations on Tier 1 level. PLATFORM CONFIGURATION COMPILER windows-7-64-msvc2010-angle Microsoft Windows 7 64 bit, ANGLE MSVC2010-SP1 64-bit windows-7-32-msvc2010-opengl Microsoft Windows 7 32 bit, OpenGL MSVC2010-SP1 32-bit windows-7-64-msvc2010-opengl Microsoft Windows 7 64 bit, OpenGL MSVC2010-SP1 64-bit windows-7-32-mingw-builds Microsoft Windows XP Windows 7 32 bit gcc 4.7 (MinGW-builds) windows-xp-32-msvc2008Microsoft Windows XP SP3 32 bit MSVC 2008 32-bit osx-10.6-64 Apple Mac OS X 10.6 Cocoa 64 bit as provided Remarks: Before you shoot, check http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2011/wiki/Qt5ProductDefinition#4582cf86974b397c8f3a2ed2fd502f8cto see what we agreed upon back then what the requirements of a 'reference platform' and 'Tier 1 platform' are, specifically that they are in tested by the CI system, and are available as alpha, beta, final packages. windows-7-64-msvc2010, windows-7-64-msvc2010-angle, windows-7-32-mingw-builds aren't checked in the CI system right now. Still I think they are important enough to deserve an exception, and remain in Tier 1. I understood that whether we can keep osx-10.6-64 bit as Tier 1 platform for qtwebkit is yet unclear. Finally, I don't know what to do with the *wayland, *mips, *icc platforms in the current version of the page. Regards Kai ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
From: Kate Alhola kate.alh...@gmail.commailto:kate.alh...@gmail.com Date: keskiviikkona 7. marraskuuta 2012 13.49 To: Koehne Kai kai.koe...@digia.commailto:kai.koe...@digia.com Cc: development@qt-project.orgmailto:development@qt-project.org development@qt-project.orgmailto:development@qt-project.org Subject: Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms There are no longer ANY mobile platform among Tier-1 platforms at all. linux-arm7-gcc-wayland Linux, ARM7, Wayland. To be specified in more detail can be MeeGo/SailFish but that's very little for us, mobile developers. Why there is not even Android even it is leading mobile platform and Qt works fine on it. To have even some degree of reasonable cross platform story, least Android and iOS should be there. You are absolutely right. However this discussion is not about what should be the Tier 1 platforms of Qt, but much simpler one: to update the list of Tier 1 and Reference platform configurations to match the ones that there currently are running. The fact that Qt runs fine on a platform is a good starting point. But to be a Tier 1 platform also means a hefty amount of tests running on that etc. Yours, Tuukka ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Kate Alhola kate.alh...@gmail.com wrote: There are no longer ANY mobile platform among Tier-1 platforms at all. linux-arm7-gcc-wayland Linux, ARM7, Wayland. To be specified in more detail can be MeeGo/SailFish but that's very little for us, mobile developers. Why there is not even Android even it is leading mobile platform and Qt works fine on it. To have even some degree of reasonable cross platform story, least Android and iOS should be there. Qt for mobile is not dead after Nokia but I rather say that it is only cross platform mobile toolkit. Html5 is only . I have always been surprised why there has no been more work done on the CI front towards the very common ARM platform. I had to catch common ARM issues on Harmattan and elsewhere (not only mobile phone material) that pretty much came up for all the cases. Such things would have been really nice to be caught by CI. Laszlo ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
Hello, On 11/07/2012 01:26 PM, Laszlo Papp wrote: (...) I have always been surprised why there has no been more work done on the CI front towards the very common ARM platform. I had to catch common ARM issues on Harmattan and elsewhere (not only mobile phone material) that pretty much came up for all the cases. Such things would have been really nice to be caught by CI. we (RIM) currently have an own Jenkins setup which builds Qt for BlackBerry 10 (ARM and x86), and also runs auto tests (currently only QtCore classes unfortunately). The process of making that Jenkins node public including build / test logs etc. is currently stuck in a company security check. But our plan is absolutely to have test and build results public, and make the setup stable enough to at some point tie into the Qt CI infrastructure. Peter Laszlo ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development - This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
we (RIM) currently have an own Jenkins setup which builds Qt for BlackBerry 10 (ARM and x86), and also runs auto tests (currently only QtCore classes unfortunately). The process of making that Jenkins node public including build / test logs etc. is currently stuck in a company security check. But our plan is absolutely to have test and build results public, and make the setup stable enough to at some point tie into the Qt CI infrastructure. Thank you for this work! Laszlo ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
Kai spaketh: The list of reference Tier 1 platforms at http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5#Platforms is somewhat out of date ... Here is a new proposal snip, Seems fine to me. An aside -- serious suggestion: We are successfully using the, MSVS2010, SP1 compiler within the MSVS2008 IDE using the steps found here: http://www.codeproject.com/Tips/105011/Using-Visual-Studio-2008-IDE-with-Visual-C-2010-co IMHO, the MSVS2010 IDE is, badly-broken and quite unusable for our needs. REQUEST: For the Tier-1 MSVS2010, SP1, Win7-32bit release, IT WOULD BE NICE if QMake would still have the OPTION to generate MSVS2008 *.vcproj instances. Please. Pretty Please. And then, I will send you home-made cookies. Every month. --charley ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 10:59:03AM -0700, Charley Bay wrote: REQUEST: For the Tier-1 MSVS2010, SP1, Win7-32bit release, IT WOULD BE NICE if QMake would still have the OPTION to generate MSVS2008 *.vcproj instances. Please. Pretty Please. And then, I will send you home-made cookies. Every month. just run qmake -spec win32-msvc2008 if that doesn't just work, then the request will cost you a lot more cookies than you think ... ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
On terça-feira, 6 de novembro de 2012 16.08.06, Koehne Kai wrote: Hi, The list of reference Tier 1 platforms at http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5#Platforms is somewhat out of date ... Here is a new proposal Reference Platforms: We have the following platform configurations as reference platforms for Qt 5.0: PLATFORM CONFIGURATION COMPILER linux-x86-32-gcc-x11 Ubuntu Linux 11.10 ×86 32 bit, X11 as provided linux-x86-64-gcc-x11 Ubuntu Linux 11.10 ×86 64 bit, X11as provided windows-7-32-msvc2010-angle Microsoft Windows 7 32 bit, ANGLE MSVC2010-SP1 32-bit osx-10.7-64 Apple Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Cocoa 64 bit as provided The above looks fine. I'd just like to be clear that the reference platforms are, generically: - Windows - Mac OS X - Linux (Wayland and X11) and that you're just being specific of what that means at this particular point in time. Tier 1 platforms: Remarks: Before you shoot, check http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2011/wiki/Qt5ProductDef inition#4582cf86974b397c8f3a2ed2fd502f8c to see what we agreed upon back then what the requirements of a 'reference platform' and 'Tier 1 platform' are, specifically that they are in tested by the CI system, and are available as alpha, beta, final packages. Like above, generically speaking, tier 1 platforms are those that participate in the release process, providing a good, usable release and, in addition, have a team that commits to supporting it for a certain period of time. Your list of criteria above is a good declination and a goal that we should strive for. However, since right now no external platform can integrate with the CI, I don't think it's fair to require it. So we should be able to list certain platforms as Tier 1, provided they meet the other quality criteria, even if they aren't in the CI. Specifically, I'm thinking of QNX and, in turn, wondering if the team behind it is committed to the quality effort to Tier 1 in 5.0. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms
Any plan for osx-10.8-64, Mac OS X Mountain Lion, 10.8? Thanks. Regards, Liang From: development-bounces+liang.qi=digia@qt-project.org [development-bounces+liang.qi=digia@qt-project.org] on behalf of Koehne Kai [kai.koe...@digia.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:08 PM To: development@qt-project.org Subject: [Development] Proposal: New list of Qt 5 reference / Tier 1 platforms Hi, The list of reference Tier 1 platforms at http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5#Platforms is somewhat out of date ... Here is a new proposal Reference Platforms: We have the following platform configurations as reference platforms for Qt 5.0: PLATFORM CONFIGURATION COMPILER linux-x86-32-gcc-x11 Ubuntu Linux 11.10 ×86 32 bit, X11as provided linux-x86-64-gcc-x11 Ubuntu Linux 11.10 ×86 64 bit, X11as provided windows-7-32-msvc2010-angle Microsoft Windows 7 32 bit, ANGLE MSVC2010-SP1 32-bit osx-10.7-64 Apple Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Cocoa 64 bit as provided Tier 1 platforms: In addition to the reference platform configurations, we support the following configurations on Tier 1 level. PLATFORM CONFIGURATION COMPILER windows-7-64-msvc2010-angle Microsoft Windows 7 64 bit, ANGLE MSVC2010-SP1 64-bit windows-7-32-msvc2010-opengl Microsoft Windows 7 32 bit, OpenGL MSVC2010-SP1 32-bit windows-7-64-msvc2010-opengl Microsoft Windows 7 64 bit, OpenGL MSVC2010-SP1 64-bit windows-7-32-mingw-builds Microsoft Windows XP Windows 7 32 bit gcc 4.7 (MinGW-builds) windows-xp-32-msvc2008Microsoft Windows XP SP3 32 bit MSVC 2008 32-bit osx-10.6-64 Apple Mac OS X 10.6 Cocoa 64 bit as provided Remarks: Before you shoot, check http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2011/wiki/Qt5ProductDefinition#4582cf86974b397c8f3a2ed2fd502f8c to see what we agreed upon back then what the requirements of a 'reference platform' and 'Tier 1 platform' are, specifically that they are in tested by the CI system, and are available as alpha, beta, final packages. windows-7-64-msvc2010, windows-7-64-msvc2010-angle, windows-7-32-mingw-builds aren't checked in the CI system right now. Still I think they are important enough to deserve an exception, and remain in Tier 1. I understood that whether we can keep osx-10.6-64 bit as Tier 1 platform for qtwebkit is yet unclear. Finally, I don't know what to do with the *wayland, *mips, *icc platforms in the current version of the page. Regards Kai ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
