Re: [freenet-dev] Website Redesign Pre-pre-alpha

[Ian Clarke]

Same for me, access denied.  Probably not much reason to require a password.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 7:30 PM Dan Roberts  wrote:

> Hi Florent,
>
>  Thanks so much for putting that together. When I try to access
> staging.freenetproject.org I get an "Access Denied" error. In the past I
> recall there being an authentication challenge, am I missing something?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> On Mar 15, 2017 4:34 PM, "Florent Daigniere" 
> wrote:
>
> I have deployed it on
> https://github.com/freenet/website/tree/2016-redesign
> It gets auto-built by CI when you push to it
> https://travis-ci.org/freenet/website
> and auto-deployed to:
> https://staging.freenetproject.org/
>
> Florent
>
>
> On Fri, 2017-03-10 at 10:49 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:
> > Hi Ian,
> > I was going to solicit further feedback this weekend since nobody
> > has
> > commented on the language selection menu. Since that is my own
> > creation,
> > not from the original design I want a bit of review.
> >
> > My list of remaining items is extremely small at this point so
> > community
> > feedback is important in general.
> >
> > After i finish my list I can start in on content updates like you
> > pointed
> > out.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
> >
> > On Mar 9, 2017 7:44 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Dan,
> > >
> > > Any updates?
> > >
> > > Ian.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 8:27 AM, Ian Clarke i...@trystacks.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Only have a few seconds for feedback just now, but we should
> > > > change
> > > > "What's Freenet" to "What is Freenet?", and "Freenet Features" to
> > > > "Features".  We should probably have more to explain what Freenet
> > > > is, and
> > > > the Download link in the "What's Freenet" section doesn't really
> > > > belong
> > > > there.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 3:02 AM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Everyone,
> > > > I've put a new release up here: https://ademan-laptop.
> > > > github.io/freenet-website-redesign-pelican/ Some resource images
> > > > are
> > > > broken due to the /freenet-website-redesign-pelican/ prefix, and
> > > > I'm not
> > > > certain there's a good way to fix this. (Relative paths break with
> > > > our
> > > > i18n_subsites usage). Please ignore that for the moment.
> > > >
> > > > Please take a look at the language menu's style, I extrapolated
> > > > from the
> > > > design we bought, but I am not really a designer. I think I'll
> > > > change its
> > > > functionality so that changing language keeps you on the same
> > > > page. The
> > > > language menu picks up any messages.mo files (generated from .po
> > > > files) and
> > > > gives them a language entry.
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate any and all constructive feedback.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide  > > > eb.de>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dan Roberts  writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey Everyone,
> > > > > I'll be posting the website for feedback tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > Great!
> > > >
> > > > > I seem to constantly
> > > > > find new things to fix, but I could probably nit-pick forever,
> > > >
> > > > That’s common problem ☺
> > > >
> > > > > I'd like to also create and/or link to a google plus freenet
> > > > > page. I
> > > >
> > > > found
> > > > > this: https://plus.google.com/communities/107006765679470608749
> > > > > I think
> > > > > it's worth having something.
> > > >
> > > > There’s also the Deep Web community:
> > > > https://plus.google.com/communities/104253064892524682250
> > > >
> > > > > I'll be removing the pinterest and instagram social media links
> > > > > unless
> > > > > somebody thinks we should have a presence there too.
> > > >
> > > > There’s a difference between thinking we should be there and
> > > > having
> > > > someone who does it: If we had someone who maintains them, I’d say
> > > > we
> > > > should be there. According to teachers, instagram is where the
> > > > cool
> > > > people are are nowadays. If not, not. I think this goes for every
> > > > social
> > > > network.
> > > >
> > > > > The difference from twitter, google+ and facebook are that we
> > > > > incidentally generate content to put on those sites (news items
> > > > > can be
> > > > > copied and pasted and/or linked to), the more image-oriented
> > > > > social
> > > > > media would take extra effort (that I don't believe would be
> > > > > worth
> > > > > while).
> > > >
> > > > Sounds reasonable.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Arne
> > > > --
> > > > Unpolitisch sein
> > > > heißt politisch sein
> > > > ohne es zu merken
> > > >
> > > > ___
> > > > Devl mailing list
> > > > Devl@freenetproject.org
> > > > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 

Re: [freenet-dev] Website Redesign Pre-pre-alpha

[Dan Roberts]

Hi Florent,

 Thanks so much for putting that together. When I try to access
staging.freenetproject.org I get an "Access Denied" error. In the past I
recall there being an authentication challenge, am I missing something?

Thanks,
Dan

On Mar 15, 2017 4:34 PM, "Florent Daigniere" 
wrote:

> I have deployed it on
> https://github.com/freenet/website/tree/2016-redesign
> It gets auto-built by CI when you push to it
> https://travis-ci.org/freenet/website
> and auto-deployed to:
> https://staging.freenetproject.org/
>
> Florent
>
>
> On Fri, 2017-03-10 at 10:49 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:
> > Hi Ian,
> > I was going to solicit further feedback this weekend since nobody
> > has
> > commented on the language selection menu. Since that is my own
> > creation,
> > not from the original design I want a bit of review.
> >
> > My list of remaining items is extremely small at this point so
> > community
> > feedback is important in general.
> >
> > After i finish my list I can start in on content updates like you
> > pointed
> > out.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
> >
> > On Mar 9, 2017 7:44 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Dan,
> > >
> > > Any updates?
> > >
> > > Ian.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 8:27 AM, Ian Clarke i...@trystacks.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Only have a few seconds for feedback just now, but we should
> > > > change
> > > > "What's Freenet" to "What is Freenet?", and "Freenet Features" to
> > > > "Features".  We should probably have more to explain what Freenet
> > > > is, and
> > > > the Download link in the "What's Freenet" section doesn't really
> > > > belong
> > > > there.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 3:02 AM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Everyone,
> > > > I've put a new release up here: https://ademan-laptop.
> > > > github.io/freenet-website-redesign-pelican/ Some resource images
> > > > are
> > > > broken due to the /freenet-website-redesign-pelican/ prefix, and
> > > > I'm not
> > > > certain there's a good way to fix this. (Relative paths break with
> > > > our
> > > > i18n_subsites usage). Please ignore that for the moment.
> > > >
> > > > Please take a look at the language menu's style, I extrapolated
> > > > from the
> > > > design we bought, but I am not really a designer. I think I'll
> > > > change its
> > > > functionality so that changing language keeps you on the same
> > > > page. The
> > > > language menu picks up any messages.mo files (generated from .po
> > > > files) and
> > > > gives them a language entry.
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate any and all constructive feedback.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide  > > > eb.de>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dan Roberts  writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey Everyone,
> > > > > I'll be posting the website for feedback tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > Great!
> > > >
> > > > > I seem to constantly
> > > > > find new things to fix, but I could probably nit-pick forever,
> > > >
> > > > That’s common problem ☺
> > > >
> > > > > I'd like to also create and/or link to a google plus freenet
> > > > > page. I
> > > >
> > > > found
> > > > > this: https://plus.google.com/communities/107006765679470608749
> > > > > I think
> > > > > it's worth having something.
> > > >
> > > > There’s also the Deep Web community:
> > > > https://plus.google.com/communities/104253064892524682250
> > > >
> > > > > I'll be removing the pinterest and instagram social media links
> > > > > unless
> > > > > somebody thinks we should have a presence there too.
> > > >
> > > > There’s a difference between thinking we should be there and
> > > > having
> > > > someone who does it: If we had someone who maintains them, I’d say
> > > > we
> > > > should be there. According to teachers, instagram is where the
> > > > cool
> > > > people are are nowadays. If not, not. I think this goes for every
> > > > social
> > > > network.
> > > >
> > > > > The difference from twitter, google+ and facebook are that we
> > > > > incidentally generate content to put on those sites (news items
> > > > > can be
> > > > > copied and pasted and/or linked to), the more image-oriented
> > > > > social
> > > > > media would take extra effort (that I don't believe would be
> > > > > worth
> > > > > while).
> > > >
> > > > Sounds reasonable.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Arne
> > > > --
> > > > Unpolitisch sein
> > > > heißt politisch sein
> > > > ohne es zu merken
> > > >
> > > > ___
> > > > Devl mailing list
> > > > Devl@freenetproject.org
> > > > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ian Clarke
> > > > Stacks - Our AI will save your money
> > > > http://trystacks.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ian Clarke
> > > Stacks - Our AI will save your 

Re: [freenet-dev] Website Redesign Pre-pre-alpha

[Florent Daigniere]

I have deployed it on
https://github.com/freenet/website/tree/2016-redesign
It gets auto-built by CI when you push to it
https://travis-ci.org/freenet/website
and auto-deployed to:
https://staging.freenetproject.org/

Florent


On Fri, 2017-03-10 at 10:49 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:
> Hi Ian,
> I was going to solicit further feedback this weekend since nobody
> has
> commented on the language selection menu. Since that is my own
> creation,
> not from the original design I want a bit of review.
> 
> My list of remaining items is extremely small at this point so
> community
> feedback is important in general.
> 
> After i finish my list I can start in on content updates like you
> pointed
> out.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dan
> 
> On Mar 9, 2017 7:44 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
> 
> > Hey Dan,
> > 
> > Any updates?
> > 
> > Ian.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 8:27 AM, Ian Clarke i...@trystacks.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Only have a few seconds for feedback just now, but we should
> > > change
> > > "What's Freenet" to "What is Freenet?", and "Freenet Features" to
> > > "Features".  We should probably have more to explain what Freenet
> > > is, and
> > > the Download link in the "What's Freenet" section doesn't really
> > > belong
> > > there.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 3:02 AM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hey Everyone,
> > > I've put a new release up here: https://ademan-laptop.
> > > github.io/freenet-website-redesign-pelican/ Some resource images
> > > are
> > > broken due to the /freenet-website-redesign-pelican/ prefix, and
> > > I'm not
> > > certain there's a good way to fix this. (Relative paths break with
> > > our
> > > i18n_subsites usage). Please ignore that for the moment.
> > > 
> > > Please take a look at the language menu's style, I extrapolated
> > > from the
> > > design we bought, but I am not really a designer. I think I'll
> > > change its
> > > functionality so that changing language keeps you on the same
> > > page. The
> > > language menu picks up any messages.mo files (generated from .po
> > > files) and
> > > gives them a language entry.
> > > 
> > > I appreciate any and all constructive feedback.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dan
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide  > > eb.de>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dan Roberts  writes:
> > > 
> > > > Hey Everyone,
> > > > I'll be posting the website for feedback tomorrow.
> > > 
> > > Great!
> > > 
> > > > I seem to constantly
> > > > find new things to fix, but I could probably nit-pick forever,
> > > 
> > > That’s common problem ☺
> > > 
> > > > I'd like to also create and/or link to a google plus freenet
> > > > page. I
> > > 
> > > found
> > > > this: https://plus.google.com/communities/107006765679470608749
> > > > I think
> > > > it's worth having something.
> > > 
> > > There’s also the Deep Web community:
> > > https://plus.google.com/communities/104253064892524682250
> > > 
> > > > I'll be removing the pinterest and instagram social media links
> > > > unless
> > > > somebody thinks we should have a presence there too.
> > > 
> > > There’s a difference between thinking we should be there and
> > > having
> > > someone who does it: If we had someone who maintains them, I’d say
> > > we
> > > should be there. According to teachers, instagram is where the
> > > cool
> > > people are are nowadays. If not, not. I think this goes for every
> > > social
> > > network.
> > > 
> > > > The difference from twitter, google+ and facebook are that we
> > > > incidentally generate content to put on those sites (news items
> > > > can be
> > > > copied and pasted and/or linked to), the more image-oriented
> > > > social
> > > > media would take extra effort (that I don't believe would be
> > > > worth
> > > > while).
> > > 
> > > Sounds reasonable.
> > > 
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Arne
> > > --
> > > Unpolitisch sein
> > > heißt politisch sein
> > > ohne es zu merken
> > > 
> > > ___
> > > Devl mailing list
> > > Devl@freenetproject.org
> > > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ian Clarke
> > > Stacks - Our AI will save your money
> > > http://trystacks.com/
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Ian Clarke
> > Stacks - Our AI will save your money
> > http://trystacks.com/
> > 
> > 
> 
> ___
> Devl mailing list
> Devl@freenetproject.org
> https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl

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Re: [freenet-dev] Email infrastructure

[Florent Daigniere]

On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 20:42 +0100, x...@freenetproject.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 01:30:55 PM Florent Daigniere wrote:
> > the unsubscription part (hopefully) dealt with by your MUA through
> > the List
> > Unsubscribe header
> 
> I've thought some more about this and a problem may be that many
> people 
> nowadays only use minimalistic web mailers such as GMail.


Gmail does handle those headers.

> Those may not have UI for the Unsubscribe header and not allow the
> user to 
> manually interfere with mail headers.
> 
> Would it be possible to:
> - provide a web interface for unsubscribing
> - or allow unsubscribing with a plaintext email with special keywords
> in the 
> title/body?
> 

Everything is possible.

Florent

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Re: [freenet-dev] Email infrastructure

[xor]

On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 01:30:55 PM Florent Daigniere wrote:
> the unsubscription part (hopefully) dealt with by your MUA through the List
> Unsubscribe header

I've thought some more about this and a problem may be that many people 
nowadays only use minimalistic web mailers such as GMail.
Those may not have UI for the Unsubscribe header and not allow the user to 
manually interfere with mail headers.

Would it be possible to:
- provide a web interface for unsubscribing
- or allow unsubscribing with a plaintext email with special keywords in the 
title/body?

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Re: [freenet-dev] Email infrastructure

[Florent Daigniere]

On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 00:40 +, Freenet wrote:
> Who are the 3rd parties and will they be accessible anonymously and
> publicly?
> 

Here is my current list:
- http://gmane.org/
- http://n4.nabble.com/archive-your-mailing-list.html
- https://marc.info/
- https://www.mail-archive.com/


The question is whether we should link to (endorse) any/all of them on
the website. Ian?

> Can we get a mirror into Freenet/FMS?
> 

Not an official one.

There are at least three problems with it:
- we are looking at cutting down maintenance, not providing new services
- it requires running a permanent node (something FPI shouldn't do)
- it would contain email addresses that would be more easily harvest-
able for spammers (all of the options above have some form of
obfuscation)

Florent

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