Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Keep old LTS till next version N.4.1 is released

[Eduard Moraru]

+1 for proposal 2.

Thanks,
Eduard

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:23 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu  wrote:

> +1 for proposal 2.
>
> On 01/04/2016 03:46 AM, vinc...@massol.net wrote:
> > Hi devs,
> >
> > I see on http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download that
> the new LTS is 7.4.
> >
> > I think that’s a bit dangerous because LTS means that users can put it
> in production with eyes closed and we’re guaranteeing stability. In
> practice it’s a bit too early to decide if 7.4 is really that stable.
> >
> > In the future I’d suggest that we wait till 7.4.1 (i.e. N.4.1) is
> released because we remove the previous LTS and swap it with the new one.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
>
>
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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Keep old LTS till next version N.4.1 is released

[Thomas Mortagne]

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 10:06 AM, vinc...@massol.net  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 4 Jan 2016 at 09:59:14, Thomas Mortagne 
> (thomas.morta...@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.morta...@xwiki.com)) wrote:
>
>> In my understanding the rule is supposed to be 3 supported branches
>> (dev, stable, lts) so I guess we can say until 8.0 is released 7.4.x
>> is just the stable branch (and 6.4.x the lts). We pretty much always
>> have the same conversation every time we start a new major version
>> branch.
>
>
> Well, the rule is 3 supported branches at most. It doesn’t mean there’s 
> always 3 branches. For example when we release 7.3, we have stable = latest = 
> 7.3 and we have only 2 branches.

3 branches does not means 3 releases, in your example we do support 3
branches: master (7.4-SNAPSHOT), 7.3.x and 6.4.x.

>
> So we have now 2 proposals:
>
> * Proposal 1: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the first bugfix release of the 
> new N.4 release is released (i.e. N.4.1) and then do the switch.
> * Proposal 2: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the next cycle’s first stable 
> release is done (i.e. N.0) and then do the switch.
>
> Proposal 2 is safer (it allows more time for having at least 2 bugfix 
> releases of the N-1.4). It means a bit more work since it means continuing to 
> merge bugfixes to N-1.4.x a bit longer.
>
> I personally have a preference for Proposal 2.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Let’s agree and then we can document it in 
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/VersioningAndReleasePractices 
> (and add the notion of LTS which we haven’t documented there btw).
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM, vinc...@massol.net wrote:
>> > Hi devs,
>> >
>> > I see on http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download that the 
>> > new LTS is 7.4.
>> >
>> > I think that’s a bit dangerous because LTS means that users can put it in 
>> > production with eyes closed and we’re guaranteeing stability. In practice 
>> > it’s a bit too early to decide if 7.4 is really that stable.
>> >
>> > In the future I’d suggest that we wait till 7.4.1 (i.e. N.4.1) is released 
>> > because we remove the previous LTS and swap it with the new one.
>> >
>> > WDYT?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > -Vincent
>> >
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[xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Keep old LTS till next version N.4.1 is released

[vinc...@massol.net]

Hi devs,

I see on http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download that the new 
LTS is 7.4.

I think that’s a bit dangerous because LTS means that users can put it in 
production with eyes closed and we’re guaranteeing stability. In practice it’s 
a bit too early to decide if 7.4 is really that stable.

In the future I’d suggest that we wait till 7.4.1 (i.e. N.4.1) is released 
because we remove the previous LTS and swap it with the new one.

WDYT?

Thanks
-Vincent

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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Keep old LTS till next version N.4.1 is released

[Marius Dumitru Florea]

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:06 AM, vinc...@massol.net 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 4 Jan 2016 at 09:59:14, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.morta...@xwiki.com
> (mailto:thomas.morta...@xwiki.com)) wrote:
>
> > In my understanding the rule is supposed to be 3 supported branches
> > (dev, stable, lts) so I guess we can say until 8.0 is released 7.4.x
> > is just the stable branch (and 6.4.x the lts). We pretty much always
> > have the same conversation every time we start a new major version
> > branch.
>
>
> Well, the rule is 3 supported branches at most. It doesn’t mean there’s
> always 3 branches. For example when we release 7.3, we have stable = latest
> = 7.3 and we have only 2 branches.
>
> So we have now 2 proposals:
>
> * Proposal 1: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the first bugfix release of
> the new N.4 release is released (i.e. N.4.1) and then do the switch.
> * Proposal 2: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the next cycle’s first stable
> release is done (i.e. N.0) and then do the switch.
>
> Proposal 2 is safer (it allows more time for having at least 2 bugfix
> releases of the N-1.4). It means a bit more work since it means continuing
> to merge bugfixes to N-1.4.x a bit longer.
>
> I personally have a preference for Proposal 2.
>

+1 for proposal 2

Thanks,
Marius


>
> WDYT?
>
> Let’s agree and then we can document it in
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/VersioningAndReleasePractices 
> (and
> add the notion of LTS which we haven’t documented there btw).
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM, vinc...@massol.net wrote:
> > > Hi devs,
> > >
> > > I see on http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download
> that the new LTS is 7.4.
> > >
> > > I think that’s a bit dangerous because LTS means that users can put it
> in production with eyes closed and we’re guaranteeing stability. In
> practice it’s a bit too early to decide if 7.4 is really that stable.
> > >
> > > In the future I’d suggest that we wait till 7.4.1 (i.e. N.4.1) is
> released because we remove the previous LTS and swap it with the new one.
> > >
> > > WDYT?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Keep old LTS till next version N.4.1 is released

[Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)]

+1 proposal 2

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote:

> +1 for proposal 2.
>
> 2016-01-04 10:30 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea <
> mariusdumitru.flo...@xwiki.com>:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:06 AM, vinc...@massol.net 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On 4 Jan 2016 at 09:59:14, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.morta...@xwiki.com
> > > (mailto:thomas.morta...@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> > >
> > > > In my understanding the rule is supposed to be 3 supported branches
> > > > (dev, stable, lts) so I guess we can say until 8.0 is released 7.4.x
> > > > is just the stable branch (and 6.4.x the lts). We pretty much always
> > > > have the same conversation every time we start a new major version
> > > > branch.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, the rule is 3 supported branches at most. It doesn’t mean there’s
> > > always 3 branches. For example when we release 7.3, we have stable =
> > latest
> > > = 7.3 and we have only 2 branches.
> > >
> > > So we have now 2 proposals:
> > >
> > > * Proposal 1: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the first bugfix release
> of
> > > the new N.4 release is released (i.e. N.4.1) and then do the switch.
> > > * Proposal 2: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the next cycle’s first
> > stable
> > > release is done (i.e. N.0) and then do the switch.
> > >
> > > Proposal 2 is safer (it allows more time for having at least 2 bugfix
> > > releases of the N-1.4). It means a bit more work since it means
> > continuing
> > > to merge bugfixes to N-1.4.x a bit longer.
> > >
> > > I personally have a preference for Proposal 2.
> > >
> >
> > +1 for proposal 2
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marius
> >
> >
> > >
> > > WDYT?
> > >
> > > Let’s agree and then we can document it in
> > >
> >
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/VersioningAndReleasePractices
> > (and
> > > add the notion of LTS which we haven’t documented there btw).
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM, vinc...@massol.net wrote:
> > > > > Hi devs,
> > > > >
> > > > > I see on http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download
> > > that the new LTS is 7.4.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that’s a bit dangerous because LTS means that users can put
> > it
> > > in production with eyes closed and we’re guaranteeing stability. In
> > > practice it’s a bit too early to decide if 7.4 is really that stable.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the future I’d suggest that we wait till 7.4.1 (i.e. N.4.1) is
> > > released because we remove the previous LTS and swap it with the new
> one.
> > > > >
> > > > > WDYT?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > -Vincent
> > > > >
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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Keep old LTS till next version N.4.1 is released

[Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau]

+1 for proposal 2.

2016-01-04 10:30 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.flo...@xwiki.com>:

> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:06 AM, vinc...@massol.net 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 4 Jan 2016 at 09:59:14, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.morta...@xwiki.com
> > (mailto:thomas.morta...@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> >
> > > In my understanding the rule is supposed to be 3 supported branches
> > > (dev, stable, lts) so I guess we can say until 8.0 is released 7.4.x
> > > is just the stable branch (and 6.4.x the lts). We pretty much always
> > > have the same conversation every time we start a new major version
> > > branch.
> >
> >
> > Well, the rule is 3 supported branches at most. It doesn’t mean there’s
> > always 3 branches. For example when we release 7.3, we have stable =
> latest
> > = 7.3 and we have only 2 branches.
> >
> > So we have now 2 proposals:
> >
> > * Proposal 1: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the first bugfix release of
> > the new N.4 release is released (i.e. N.4.1) and then do the switch.
> > * Proposal 2: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the next cycle’s first
> stable
> > release is done (i.e. N.0) and then do the switch.
> >
> > Proposal 2 is safer (it allows more time for having at least 2 bugfix
> > releases of the N-1.4). It means a bit more work since it means
> continuing
> > to merge bugfixes to N-1.4.x a bit longer.
> >
> > I personally have a preference for Proposal 2.
> >
>
> +1 for proposal 2
>
> Thanks,
> Marius
>
>
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Let’s agree and then we can document it in
> >
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/VersioningAndReleasePractices
> (and
> > add the notion of LTS which we haven’t documented there btw).
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM, vinc...@massol.net wrote:
> > > > Hi devs,
> > > >
> > > > I see on http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download
> > that the new LTS is 7.4.
> > > >
> > > > I think that’s a bit dangerous because LTS means that users can put
> it
> > in production with eyes closed and we’re guaranteeing stability. In
> > practice it’s a bit too early to decide if 7.4 is really that stable.
> > > >
> > > > In the future I’d suggest that we wait till 7.4.1 (i.e. N.4.1) is
> > released because we remove the previous LTS and swap it with the new one.
> > > >
> > > > WDYT?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Keep old LTS till next version N.4.1 is released

[vinc...@massol.net]

Hi,

On 4 Jan 2016 at 09:59:14, Thomas Mortagne 
(thomas.morta...@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.morta...@xwiki.com)) wrote:

> In my understanding the rule is supposed to be 3 supported branches
> (dev, stable, lts) so I guess we can say until 8.0 is released 7.4.x
> is just the stable branch (and 6.4.x the lts). We pretty much always
> have the same conversation every time we start a new major version
> branch.


Well, the rule is 3 supported branches at most. It doesn’t mean there’s always 
3 branches. For example when we release 7.3, we have stable = latest = 7.3 and 
we have only 2 branches.

So we have now 2 proposals:

* Proposal 1: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the first bugfix release of the 
new N.4 release is released (i.e. N.4.1) and then do the switch.
* Proposal 2: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the next cycle’s first stable 
release is done (i.e. N.0) and then do the switch.

Proposal 2 is safer (it allows more time for having at least 2 bugfix releases 
of the N-1.4). It means a bit more work since it means continuing to merge 
bugfixes to N-1.4.x a bit longer.

I personally have a preference for Proposal 2.

WDYT?

Let’s agree and then we can document it in 
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/VersioningAndReleasePractices 
(and add the notion of LTS which we haven’t documented there btw).

Thanks
-Vincent

> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM, vinc...@massol.net wrote:
> > Hi devs,
> >
> > I see on http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download that the 
> > new LTS is 7.4.
> >
> > I think that’s a bit dangerous because LTS means that users can put it in 
> > production with eyes closed and we’re guaranteeing stability. In practice 
> > it’s a bit too early to decide if 7.4 is really that stable.
> >
> > In the future I’d suggest that we wait till 7.4.1 (i.e. N.4.1) is released 
> > because we remove the previous LTS and swap it with the new one.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Keep old LTS till next version N.4.1 is released

[Thomas Mortagne]

In my understanding the rule is supposed to be 3 supported branches
(dev, stable, lts) so I guess we can say until 8.0 is released 7.4.x
is just the stable branch (and 6.4.x the lts). We pretty much always
have the same conversation every time we start a new major version
branch.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM, vinc...@massol.net  wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> I see on http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download that the 
> new LTS is 7.4.
>
> I think that’s a bit dangerous because LTS means that users can put it in 
> production with eyes closed and we’re guaranteeing stability. In practice 
> it’s a bit too early to decide if 7.4 is really that stable.
>
> In the future I’d suggest that we wait till 7.4.1 (i.e. N.4.1) is released 
> because we remove the previous LTS and swap it with the new one.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Keep old LTS till next version N.4.1 is released

[Thomas Mortagne]

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 10:06 AM, vinc...@massol.net  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 4 Jan 2016 at 09:59:14, Thomas Mortagne 
> (thomas.morta...@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.morta...@xwiki.com)) wrote:
>
>> In my understanding the rule is supposed to be 3 supported branches
>> (dev, stable, lts) so I guess we can say until 8.0 is released 7.4.x
>> is just the stable branch (and 6.4.x the lts). We pretty much always
>> have the same conversation every time we start a new major version
>> branch.
>
>
> Well, the rule is 3 supported branches at most. It doesn’t mean there’s 
> always 3 branches. For example when we release 7.3, we have stable = latest = 
> 7.3 and we have only 2 branches.
>
> So we have now 2 proposals:
>
> * Proposal 1: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the first bugfix release of the 
> new N.4 release is released (i.e. N.4.1) and then do the switch.
> * Proposal 2: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the next cycle’s first stable 
> release is done (i.e. N.0) and then do the switch.
>
> Proposal 2 is safer (it allows more time for having at least 2 bugfix 
> releases of the N-1.4). It means a bit more work since it means continuing to 
> merge bugfixes to N-1.4.x a bit longer.

Note that 2 is also what we did last time (6.4.x was "stable" release
until 7.0 final release).

>
> I personally have a preference for Proposal 2.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Let’s agree and then we can document it in 
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/VersioningAndReleasePractices 
> (and add the notion of LTS which we haven’t documented there btw).
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM, vinc...@massol.net wrote:
>> > Hi devs,
>> >
>> > I see on http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download that the 
>> > new LTS is 7.4.
>> >
>> > I think that’s a bit dangerous because LTS means that users can put it in 
>> > production with eyes closed and we’re guaranteeing stability. In practice 
>> > it’s a bit too early to decide if 7.4 is really that stable.
>> >
>> > In the future I’d suggest that we wait till 7.4.1 (i.e. N.4.1) is released 
>> > because we remove the previous LTS and swap it with the new one.
>> >
>> > WDYT?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > -Vincent
>> >
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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Keep old LTS till next version N.4.1 is released

[Sergiu Dumitriu]

+1 for proposal 2.

On 01/04/2016 03:46 AM, vinc...@massol.net wrote:
> Hi devs,
> 
> I see on http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download that the 
> new LTS is 7.4.
> 
> I think that’s a bit dangerous because LTS means that users can put it in 
> production with eyes closed and we’re guaranteeing stability. In practice 
> it’s a bit too early to decide if 7.4 is really that stable.
> 
> In the future I’d suggest that we wait till 7.4.1 (i.e. N.4.1) is released 
> because we remove the previous LTS and swap it with the new one.
> 
> WDYT?
> 
> Thanks
> -Vincent


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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Keep old LTS till next version N.4.1 is released

[Denis Gervalle]

+1 proposal 2

Thanks,

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
vali...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 proposal 2
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
> gdelhum...@xwiki.com> wrote:
>
> > +1 for proposal 2.
> >
> > 2016-01-04 10:30 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea <
> > mariusdumitru.flo...@xwiki.com>:
> >
> > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:06 AM, vinc...@massol.net <
> vinc...@massol.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On 4 Jan 2016 at 09:59:14, Thomas Mortagne (
> thomas.morta...@xwiki.com
> > > > (mailto:thomas.morta...@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In my understanding the rule is supposed to be 3 supported branches
> > > > > (dev, stable, lts) so I guess we can say until 8.0 is released
> 7.4.x
> > > > > is just the stable branch (and 6.4.x the lts). We pretty much
> always
> > > > > have the same conversation every time we start a new major version
> > > > > branch.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, the rule is 3 supported branches at most. It doesn’t mean
> there’s
> > > > always 3 branches. For example when we release 7.3, we have stable =
> > > latest
> > > > = 7.3 and we have only 2 branches.
> > > >
> > > > So we have now 2 proposals:
> > > >
> > > > * Proposal 1: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the first bugfix release
> > of
> > > > the new N.4 release is released (i.e. N.4.1) and then do the switch.
> > > > * Proposal 2: Keep previous N-1.4.x LTS till the next cycle’s first
> > > stable
> > > > release is done (i.e. N.0) and then do the switch.
> > > >
> > > > Proposal 2 is safer (it allows more time for having at least 2 bugfix
> > > > releases of the N-1.4). It means a bit more work since it means
> > > continuing
> > > > to merge bugfixes to N-1.4.x a bit longer.
> > > >
> > > > I personally have a preference for Proposal 2.
> > > >
> > >
> > > +1 for proposal 2
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marius
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > WDYT?
> > > >
> > > > Let’s agree and then we can document it in
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/VersioningAndReleasePractices
> > > (and
> > > > add the notion of LTS which we haven’t documented there btw).
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM, vinc...@massol.net wrote:
> > > > > > Hi devs,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I see on
> http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download
> > > > that the new LTS is 7.4.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that’s a bit dangerous because LTS means that users can
> put
> > > it
> > > > in production with eyes closed and we’re guaranteeing stability. In
> > > > practice it’s a bit too early to decide if 7.4 is really that stable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the future I’d suggest that we wait till 7.4.1 (i.e. N.4.1) is
> > > > released because we remove the previous LTS and swap it with the new
> > one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WDYT?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > -Vincent
> > > > > >
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