Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Vincent Massol vinc...@massol.net wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean j...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass I would have preferred TranslationClass but I see your point. * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user WDYT about scope ? I'm implementing http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-8234 and I went for scope there because I think it's more than just visibility. OK for scope, I proposed visibility it to follow wiki macros but I don't like it much either. I prefer visibility because it's easier to understand IMO. scope is like saying stuff. I don't agree with you, scope generally means context (when talking about a software at least) which is exactly what we are talking about here a lot more than visibility. But it's a detail… Again all I'd like is consistency which is now broken... Thanks -Vincent As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? Here is my +1. -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
On Nov 10, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Vincent Massol vinc...@massol.net wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean j...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass I would have preferred TranslationClass but I see your point. * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user WDYT about scope ? I'm implementing http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-8234 and I went for scope there because I think it's more than just visibility. OK for scope, I proposed visibility it to follow wiki macros but I don't like it much either. I prefer visibility because it's easier to understand IMO. scope is like saying stuff. I don't agree with you, scope generally means context (when talking about a software at least) which is exactly what we are talking about here a lot more than visibility. You're proving my point :) Context has a lot of meanings and is very fuzzy, especially for a user. It can mean anything... Again we're not talking about the best terminology from a development point of view here but for an end-user UI. visibility is exactly how the user thinks about it: is my component going to be visible in the farm, in the wiki, etc). He doesn't care how technically it's done and whether there's an underlying notion of some context, etc. Thanks -Vincent But it's a detail… Again all I'd like is consistency which is now broken... Thanks -Vincent As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? Here is my +1. -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
On Oct 29, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean j...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass I would have preferred TranslationClass but I see your point. * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user WDYT about scope ? I'm implementing http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-8234 and I went for scope there because I think it's more than just visibility. OK for scope, I proposed visibility it to follow wiki macros but I don't like it much either. I prefer visibility because it's easier to understand IMO. scope is like saying stuff. But it's a detail… Again all I'd like is consistency which is now broken... Thanks -Vincent As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? Here is my +1. -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
Even if it's a detail let me elaborate a bit :) For me visibility implies that the object _is here_ but it is not visible (my opinion might be biased because of the visibility CSS property). On the other side this definition sounds good to me: In computer programming, a scope is the context within a computer program in which a variable name or other identifier is valid and can be used, or within which a declaration has effect. [1] The general definition fits too: extent or range of view, outlook, application, operation, effectiveness, etc.. About the consistency issue, as I said I'm committed to make wiki macros extend WikiComponents in the near future. [1] : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scope_(programming) [2] : http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scope On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Vincent Massol vinc...@massol.net wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean j...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass I would have preferred TranslationClass but I see your point. * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user WDYT about scope ? I'm implementing http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-8234 and I went for scope there because I think it's more than just visibility. OK for scope, I proposed visibility it to follow wiki macros but I don't like it much either. I prefer visibility because it's easier to understand IMO. scope is like saying stuff. But it's a detail… Again all I'd like is consistency which is now broken... Thanks -Vincent As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? Here is my +1. -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs -- Jean-Vincent Drean, XWiki. ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean j...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass I would have preferred TranslationClass but I see your point. * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user WDYT about scope ? I'm implementing http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-8234 and I went for scope there because I think it's more than just visibility. OK for scope, I proposed visibility it to follow wiki macros but I don't like it much either. As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? Here is my +1. -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs -- Jean-Vincent Drean, XWiki. ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
Hi Thomas, On 10/25/2012 04:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module Still haven't read it, I marked it as important. here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. This is to preserve backwards compat, right? Because I think it's important to be able to write an application which can be installed in versions 4.3 and not have to have 2 translation documents. I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. We should keep in mind backwards compat for these too. Otherwise sounds correct to me, +1. Thanks, Anca WDYT ? Here is my +1. ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Vincent Massol vinc...@massol.net wrote: On Oct 25, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean j...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass I would have preferred TranslationClass but I see your point. * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user WDYT about scope ? I'm implementing http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-8234 and I went for scope there because I think it's more than just visibility. Well the wording we have now is visibility. This is what we have for wiki macros… So if you want to change that I'm ok but we need to try to be consistent across the board :) Since I'm willing to remove this from wiki macros when they'll be wiki components, the consistency issue would be temporary Thanks -Vincent As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? Here is my +1. ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs -- Jean-Vincent Drean, XWiki. ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Arvind Gupta arvind.bernau...@gmail.com wrote: Hi +1 for translation, would like to help in Hindi translations Not that you can already help translation XWiki on http://l10n.xwiki.org. -arvind On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean j...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Vincent Massol vinc...@massol.net wrote: On Oct 25, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean j...@xwiki.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass I would have preferred TranslationClass but I see your point. * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user WDYT about scope ? I'm implementing http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-8234 and I went for scope there because I think it's more than just visibility. Well the wording we have now is visibility. This is what we have for wiki macros… So if you want to change that I'm ok but we need to try to be consistent across the board :) Since I'm willing to remove this from wiki macros when they'll be wiki components, the consistency issue would be temporary Thanks -Vincent As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? Here is my +1. ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs -- Jean-Vincent Drean, XWiki. ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
On 10/26/2012 03:06 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Anca Luca lu...@xwiki.com wrote: Hi Thomas, On 10/25/2012 04:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module Still haven't read it, I marked it as important. here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. This is to preserve backwards compat, right? Not really, just don't have the time to design and vote a new syntax so for the first version only the current syntax will be supported. Because I think it's important to be able to write an application which can be installed in versions 4.3 and not have to have 2 translation documents. The idea if that you would have a field (or you would directly use the document field I'm not sure yet) where you would indicate the syntax of the translation message and it would default on the current one when nothing is set. So there will be no backward compatibility issue. Yes, I understand, if it doesn't impact the format of the document itself, it should be fine. Thanks, Anca I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. We should keep in mind backwards compat for these too. Otherwise sounds correct to me, +1. Thanks, Anca WDYT ? Here is my +1. ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
[xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? Here is my +1. -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? +1 Thanks, Marius Here is my +1. -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
Hi Thomas, On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.comwrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? Big +1. Workspaces will be very happy when this becomes available :) Thanks, Eduard Here is my +1. -- Thomas Mortagne ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
Hi, On Oct 25, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module I still haven't read it… I'm late sorry…. here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass I'd prefer simply XWiki.TranslationClass (no need to mention document IMO since they're all about documents). * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. Using syntax = plain/1.0 ;) I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? Here is my +1. +1 Thanks -Vincent ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Dynamically registered wiki translations
On 10/25/2012 04:47 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Vincent Massol vinc...@massol.net wrote: Hi, On Oct 25, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne thomas.morta...@xwiki.com wrote: Hi devs, Following the discussion about general architecture of the new localization module I still haven't read it… I'm late sorry…. here is a more detailed proposal for the dynamically registered wiki translations pages. Here is how I propose to indicate that a document contains key=value pair translations: * put an object of class XWiki.TranslationDocumentClass I'd prefer simply XWiki.TranslationClass (no need to mention document IMO since they're all about documents). It was actually in case later we are able to put translation in an object as mentioned by Jerome. This way we are safe. Note there is always the possibility to use XWiki.TranslationSetClass or something like this later on for objects with translations (which is also more correct, since there is not just one translation). Jerome * set the visibility field to Global, Current wiki, Current user As for the content of the document it will stay the same as in preferences based documents for now. Using syntax = plain/1.0 ;) I have other fields in mind for later (on demand, translation message syntax, etc.) but this is a 4.3 proposal here. WDYT ? Here is my +1. +1 Thanks -Vincent ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs ___ devs mailing list devs@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
