Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Carl Leitner]

Hi all,

At this point, the challenges in integrating DHIS2 and iHRIS for indicators are 
pretty much entirely related to governance and coordination.  The technological 
tools are there (and they are getting simpler and simpler to use).   If anyone 
is wanting help in these areas, please reach out to us (IntraHealth) and we 
should be able to find a way to support you with the tools and provide further 
guidance.

The main challenges in order of complexity, as I see them, are:
Often the HR and HMIS units do not work in close co-ordination.   The 
information needs for the HR unit (and other similar stakeholders) are 
different than for the HMIS unit.  If there is no formal platform (e.g. a TWG)  
for these groups to coordinate on and jointly own issues related to information 
needs and the associated data exchange needed to support this, than any attempt 
to have  sustainable data exchange will be dead in the water.   This, in my 
opinion, is the major point of failure. 
Lack of agreement of facility lists, as has already been mentioned.There 
are a couple of situations here:
One system (e.g. DHIS2) becomes the authority for the facility data.  In this 
case, there is existing tooling for iHRIS to load in DHIS2 facility data using 
a third piece of standards compliant software (more on that below) to handle 
the data management, an “InterLinked Registry".  This situation can be 
problematic, as Kayode alludes to,  if the two systems do not agree on what is 
a facility.   The set of facilities from an HR perspective is larger than the 
set of facilities that provide clinical services, for example.
DHIS2 and iHRIS each maintain their own independent facility lists.   This is 
the most common scenario and occurs when the HMIS unit does not agree to adopt 
all of the facilities that are required for the HR unit.   In this case, we 
need to ensure that the iHRIS facilities can cross-reference the DHIS2 
facilities.   There is significant tooling on this already, again using third 
piece of standards compliant software.   Note, on the OpenHIE InterLinked 
Registry call this Wednesday  (see below), Ally will be showing us some of the 
facility matching/de-duplication tools he developed for Sierra Leone and now 
extended to be used in other contexts.  Jembi has also worked on a lot of 
tooling to help automate and monitor the synchronization processes through the 
OpenHIM software.
There is a third party facility registry that both DHIS2 and iHRIS should 
synchronize with.  This is a pretty uncommon scenario.
Lack of agreement on the cadre, job or other health worker classification to 
report on.   There are three types of stakeholders here, and usually each has a 
different set of classifications for health workers they are interested in. 
These stakeholders are the HMIS unit with DHIS2, the HR unit with software like 
iHRIS Manage, and the professional councils with software like iHRIS Qualify.  
iHRIS Manage will give you the currently deployed health workers, while iHRIS 
Qualify would give you total number of available/licensed (though not 
necessarily deployed) health workers.  There are a couple of other HRIS systems 
that are also coming: iHRIS Train which is used to manage information a 
national picture on the health workers graduating from academic institutions 
and the iHRIS Community Health Worker Registry.

Because of this multiple types of classification, we often need to map the 
cadres from the source HRIS system into the cadres required for the HMIS/DHIS2. 
   This mapping can be handled within the HRIS system or can be handled through 
the use of a Terminology Service (TS) which handles mapping between 
terminologies.   Though a TS is a bit more overhead, I think it would be 
warranted in a country such as Nigeria with many HRISs (one for state and one 
for each professional council) and which is already contemplating a TS as part 
of their larger eHealth Architecture.  
Finally, there is a technical challenge in that the DHIS2 API changes over time 
with different versions of DHIS2.   The risks here are contained when we use 
open international standards for data exchange.   Right now we support the 
“Care Services Discovery (CSD)” standard for exchange of the facility and org 
unit hierarchy between the systems.   In the coming year we will see support 
for the more modern and RESTful FHIR standard.  For data reporting into DHIS2, 
we need to make better use of the ADX standard to help mitigate issues w/ DHIS2 
API changes.  Though the the necessary tooling isn’t in place quite yet, I 
think we will see it over the next year.
Documentation.   Because these tools have evolved over time, and  because the 
scenarios have a fairly wide range, we don’t have yet a complete tutorial on 
all the needed steps.   There is partial documentation, but it needs a bit of 
tender loving care.

Note, that we are trying to pull together a training/workshop to address 
exactly these issues (and explore 

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Bob Jolliffe]

Hi Kayode

I think they can.

It is just that usually they are not because hmis people generally
assemble the orgunit hierarchy to support reporting requirements for
hmis.   Just as LMIS people assemble theirs with logistics logic in
mind.

But absolutely nothing which can't be addressed through "local
arrangements and understandings"

On 8 October 2016 at 13:16, Kayode Odusote  wrote:
> Dear Bob,
>
> Getting back to what you said, why can't offices in the Ministry be
> included in the DHIS2 facility list?  They are also service centres
> though they are offering administrative services and should need
> monitoring as well.
>
> Kayode
>
>
> On 10/8/16, Bob Jolliffe  wrote:
>> Hi Lungo
>>
>> Not quite what I said.  It is early days for the SL shining case study
>> but well worth watching.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bob
>>
>> On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo  wrote:
>>> Dear Arthur,
>>>
>>> Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
>>> facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.
>>>
>>> Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
>>> referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
>>> permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn
>>> facility
>>> attributes from external database easier.
>>>
>>> See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.
>>>
>>> One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
>>> for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
>>> will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Lungo
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Bob Jolliffe 
>>> To: Arthur Heywood 
>>> Cc: Juma Lungo ; dhis2-users
>>> ; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com"
>>> ; dhis2-devs 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
>>> to
>>> integrate with DHIS
>>>
>>> Hi Arthur
>>>
>>> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
>>> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
>>> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
>>> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
>>> as far as I know.
>>>
>>> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
>>> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
>>> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
>>> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
>>> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
>>> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>>>
>>> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
>>> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
>>> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
>>> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
>>> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>>>
>>> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
>>> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
>>> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
>>> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
>>> strategy to solve all problems
>>> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
>>> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
>>> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
>>> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
>>> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
>>> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
>>> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
>>> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>>>
>>> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
>>> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
>>> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
>>> demons.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood 
>>> wrote:
 Lungo
 Good to hear from you ... long time no see
 Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
 implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
 make
 integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

 Regards
 Arthur

 **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
 Zappa)
 *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
 Tanzania* +255-773669393 

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Kayode Odusote]

Dear Bob,

Getting back to what you said, why can't offices in the Ministry be
included in the DHIS2 facility list?  They are also service centres
though they are offering administrative services and should need
monitoring as well.

Kayode


On 10/8/16, Bob Jolliffe  wrote:
> Hi Lungo
>
> Not quite what I said.  It is early days for the SL shining case study
> but well worth watching.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo  wrote:
>> Dear Arthur,
>>
>> Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
>> facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.
>>
>> Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
>> referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
>> permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn
>> facility
>> attributes from external database easier.
>>
>> See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.
>>
>> One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
>> for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
>> will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Lungo
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Bob Jolliffe 
>> To: Arthur Heywood 
>> Cc: Juma Lungo ; dhis2-users
>> ; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com"
>> ; dhis2-devs 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
>> to
>> integrate with DHIS
>>
>> Hi Arthur
>>
>> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
>> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
>> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
>> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
>> as far as I know.
>>
>> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
>> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
>> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
>> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
>> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
>> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>>
>> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
>> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
>> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
>> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
>> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>>
>> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
>> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
>> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
>> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
>> strategy to solve all problems
>> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
>> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
>> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
>> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
>> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
>> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
>> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
>> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>>
>> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
>> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
>> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
>> demons.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bob
>>
>> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood 
>> wrote:
>>> Lungo
>>> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
>>> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
>>> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
>>> make
>>> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
>>> Zappa)
>>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  wrote:

 Hi Arthur,

 I would recommend iHRIS.

 It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
 countries and it is being supported by an active community working
 closely
 with DHIS2 developers.

 Lungo


 
 From: Calle Hedberg 
 To: Arthur Heywood 

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Bob Jolliffe]

Hi Lungo

Not quite what I said.  It is early days for the SL shining case study
but well worth watching.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 11:29, Juma Lungo  wrote:
> Dear Arthur,
>
> Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the
> facility list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically.
>
> Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
> referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
> permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn facility
> attributes from external database easier.
>
> See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.
>
> One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
> for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
> will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lungo
>
>
> 
> From: Bob Jolliffe 
> To: Arthur Heywood 
> Cc: Juma Lungo ; dhis2-users
> ; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com"
> ; dhis2-devs 
> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to
> integrate with DHIS
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
> as far as I know.
>
> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>
> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>
> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
> strategy to solve all problems
> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>
> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
> demons.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood  wrote:
>> Lungo
>> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
>> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
>> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
>> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>>
>> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
>> Zappa)
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Arthur,
>>>
>>> I would recommend iHRIS.
>>>
>>> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
>>> countries and it is being supported by an active community working
>>> closely
>>> with DHIS2 developers.
>>>
>>> Lungo
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Calle Hedberg 
>>> To: Arthur Heywood 
>>> Cc: dhis2-users ; dhis2-devs
>>> ; gerald thomas ;
>>> Seleman Ally 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System
>>> to integrate with DHIS
>>>
>>> Arthur,
>>>
>>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
>>> 

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Juma Lungo]

Dear Arthur,
Bob has said it all. To integrate health systems, the culprit is the facility 
list. As the list evolve, the integration die automatically. 

Facility registry is the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS 
referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration 
permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn facility 
attributes from external database easier. 

See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.

One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking for a 
minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands will 
increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
Best regards,

Lungo


  From: Bob Jolliffe 
 To: Arthur Heywood  
Cc: Juma Lungo ; dhis2-users 
; "calle.hedb...@gmail.com" 
; dhis2-devs 
 Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System to 
integrate with DHIS
   
Hi Arthur

Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
as far as I know.

I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.

One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..

So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
strategy to solve all problems
2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,

In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
demons.

Cheers
Bob

On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood  wrote:
> Lungo
> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Arthur,
>>
>> I would recommend iHRIS.
>>
>> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
>> countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely
>> with DHIS2 developers.
>>
>> Lungo
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Calle Hedberg 
>> To: Arthur Heywood 
>> Cc: dhis2-users ; dhis2-devs
>> ; gerald thomas ;
>> Seleman Ally 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System
>> to integrate with DHIS
>>
>> Arthur,
>>
>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
>> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
>> back to you.
>>
>> Regards
>> Calle
>>
>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Calle
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
>> districts ...
>>
>> 

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[gerald thomas]

Hi all,
In Sierra Leone we successfully deployed both applications and it was a
success but we had an intermediary connection which is the facility
register, which is this case helps us to synchronize the facility list
between both applications. Normally, iHRIS gives the full background
information of staff within each facilities which can be useful for
analysis during disease outbreak or even as part an indicator.
Furthermore, our iHRIS was empowered using mHERO, which is two-way SMS
connection between iHRIS and health workers. They could update their
profile in iHRIS or receive alter of outbreak or even medical instructions
from their leads.

On Oct 8, 2016 5:45 AM, "Bob Jolliffe"  wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
> as far as I know.
>
> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>
> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>
> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
> strategy to solve all problems
> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>
> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
> demons.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood 
> wrote:
> > Lungo
> > Good to hear from you ... long time no see
> > Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
> > implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
> make
> > integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
> >
> > Regards
> > Arthur
> >
> > **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
> Zappa)
> > *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> > Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Arthur,
> >>
> >> I would recommend iHRIS.
> >>
> >> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
> >> countries and it is being supported by an active community working
> closely
> >> with DHIS2 developers.
> >>
> >> Lungo
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> From: Calle Hedberg 
> >> To: Arthur Heywood 
> >> Cc: dhis2-users ; dhis2-devs
> >> ; gerald thomas  >;
> >> Seleman Ally 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
> System
> >> to integrate with DHIS
> >>
> >> Arthur,
> >>
> >> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current
> focus
> >> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and
> get
> >> back to you.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Calle
> >>
> >> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Calle
> >> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
> >> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
> >> districts ...
> >>
> >> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it
> to
> >> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)
> and
> >> then feed back into the development