Re: Does everyone make large objects, or is it just how I am using Dia?
Thank you, Andrey! I wondered why all the objects come in at the same size, since I need some different sizes. I was amazed to see your Sector object come in larger than the others. Surprise! I had not seen that in any other samples. -- dunn On 07/27/2014 01:40 AM, Andrey Repin wrote: Greetings, dunn! What I really don't think I'll figure out from the samples is the 'xmlns=' part, because I have no samples of what should be there. Just leave the first two lines as they are. They define the file as XML, and specify the root element of the shape/sheet. I suppose I'll lose the xml namespace and the duplicate shape definitions. I only ask such things because I don't want to go back and change the files I create because I didn't know the obvious. I can show a simple shape I've created myself. Practically by hands. Here. Hope that'll help you start. ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? shape xmlns=http://www.daa.com.au/~james/dia-shape-ns; xmlns:svg=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; nameHazeron - Binary Stars/name iconBinary.png/icon connections point x=0 y=0 main=yes/ /connections aspectratio type=fixed/ default-width3/default-width default-height3/default-height textbox x1=-1.35 y1=-0.9 x2=1.65 y2=1.1 align=center resize=no style=fill: background; fill-opacity: 127;/ svg:svg svg:circle style=fill: background; fill-opacity: 170; stroke: foreground; stroke-width: 0.75; cx=-0.75 cy=-0.75 r=0.75/ svg:circle style=fill: background; fill-opacity: 255; stroke: foreground; stroke-width: 1; cx=0.15 cy=0.15 r=1.35/ /svg:svg /shape I've attached a complete set of shapes with a sheet, though they are rather crude, I haven't had enough time to polish them to the production quality. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdae...@freemail.ru) 27.07.2014, 12:36 Sorry for my terrible english... ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Double 'shapes' in shape files
Thanks again, Andrey! So those were just coded that way because they were automatically generated. It's nice to know that if I don't use the method, my objects will still come out ok. -- dunn On 07/27/2014 01:43 AM, Andrey Repin wrote: Greetings, dunn! If this is more of an svg question and not something particular to Dia, just let me know please! All through the sample files, the shapes have xml like this, with two calls to ellipses, rectangles, circles: svg:svg svg:ellipse style=fill: default cx=5 cy=5 rx=7 ry=7/ svg:ellipse style=fill: none; fill-opacity:0; stroke-width: 0.1; stroke: #00 cx=5 cy=5 rx=7 ry=7/ /svg:svg ...but I get the same effect with just one call and a thicker stroke-width like this: svg:svg svg:ellipse style=fill: default; stroke-width:1 cx=5 cy=5 rx=7 ry=7/ /svg I really don't even see how the sample files get a thick line from this, since stroke-width:0.1 gives a hairline and the radii are the same in both the calls. Is there a reason to make shapes the first way as opposed to the second? This is a deficiency of Dia's shape exporter. I'm either make shapes by hands (if shape is simple enough, or if I need precise results), or proof-read and cleanup the shape after export (if shape is a complex/compound object). -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdae...@freemail.ru) 27.07.2014, 12:41 Sorry for my terrible english... ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Does everyone make large objects, or is it just how I am using Dia?
Got it, Andrey! I also learned from your sample that shapes could be in subdirectories underneath the 'shapes' directory. Nice! -- dunn On 07/30/2014 12:58 AM, Andrey Repin wrote: Greetings, dunn! I wondered why all the objects come in at the same size, since I need some different sizes. I was amazed to see your Sector object come in larger than the others. Surprise! I had not seen that in any other samples. That's default-width25/default-width I've used Sector shape as a backdrop to organize diagram. http://project.rootdir.org/gallery/Hazeron/?show=WHMap.png That's why I wanted it to be big enough. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdae...@freemail.ru) 30.07.2014, 11:55 Sorry for my terrible english... ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Do C Language plugins need to be compiled with Dia?
I know I'm causing a flurry of messages all at once, but I was wondering if a user makes a C Language plugin instead of Python, does it have to be compiled with the program, or does Dia find a library (and perhaps an XML file) in a folder and use it? Thanks, -- dunn ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Does everyone make large objects, or is it just how I am using Dia?
Howdy! I am just learning Dia and was about to try my hand at making some shapes. I notice the shapes I have used in Dia are very large, the borders are very thick at 0.1cm and the font is also large at 22.68pt (5/16). As I make my shapes, I would want to make them so they fit 9 pt font size (1/8 tall), which is what I consider to be the perfect size (so studies say for us CAD users), and the borders would be 0.5 mm thick instead of 0.1cm. This means I would make much smaller shapes. Would anyone be able to use those shapes, or want to? Are my shapes just very large because I have a default font setting somewhere that is setting my font so large? I did see in the faq that people questioned why there fonts were too small, so I don't know if for some people everything comes out smaller. Could everything be large because their printing makes things smaller? Thanks for the program :-). -- dunn ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Does everyone make large objects, or is it just how I am using Dia?
Thanks, Mike! I actually didn't have any files or shapes to share because I was about to create some, but if I have other questions, can we add an attachment on the mailing list messages? I've actually been working on figuring out why the shapes are coded the way they are. I copied some into my local shapes folder and couldn't figure out why my changes would not show up. It took a lot of tweaking thinking it was not having extents on the svg part, whether line thickness were not being accepted because in some shapes they're stated with reals, other integers, and some not at all. It turns out there was something to do with the prefix on the name of the shapes. I still couldn't state definitely what I had wrong. It will take some more testing to figure out how the sheet file finds the shapes (since I noticed this when I got a 'Duplicate Object error after a couple of hours of confusion :-!). (My file was still showing me the one I had copied even though I had created a new sheet and renamed the shape. Sheesh!) Thanks for the double-click on the tools tip. I read the whole manual before asking, but must have missed it. Some let me change the Draw Background, Text Padding, Text Alignment, Font, Font Size, Flip Horz Vert, and others just the Draw background and the Flips. None in the BPMN Sheet let me change the default Lineweight. I haven't really used Dia before trying to customize it though, and it wasn't until I had made my first shape that I learned everything is brought in at the same size anyway. (It would be nice to learn we can change this with Python on insertion or something!) So apparently, it is advice well taken that if I am rigid about font size or many other things, I might be in trouble! I wonder if there is anymore information than the manual and the samples on how to avoid name conflicts and what's supposed to be in the online XML, and how the seemingly cryptic attachment points are measured. I'll get the points, but I don't know about the xmlns= part. Thanks again, -- Dunn On 07/25/2014 12:11 PM, Michael Ross wrote: You should probably share the files of representative shape for people to talk sensibly about the. Shapes are created within a 1cm square area (or were when I last tried to make a shape). If you made them larger, then that could be the explanation. However the shape was sized, you should be able to scale it to whatever size you want. If you double click on a tool, a properties dialog will arise where you can set the default properties - such as line weight. I never worry about font size and just adjust font and page scale to get a readable output. This is the normal workflow for Dia. I am not sure what difficulties you will cause yourself by being rigid about font size. Mike On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM, dunn dnaugh...@dunnamin.com mailto:dnaugh...@dunnamin.com wrote: Howdy! I am just learning Dia and was about to try my hand at making some shapes. I notice the shapes I have used in Dia are very large, the borders are very thick at 0.1cm and the font is also large at 22.68pt (5/16). As I make my shapes, I would want to make them so they fit 9 pt font size (1/8 tall), which is what I consider to be the perfect size (so studies say for us CAD users), and the borders would be 0.5 mm thick instead of 0.1cm. This means I would make much smaller shapes. Would anyone be able to use those shapes, or want to? Are my shapes just very large because I have a default font setting somewhere that is setting my font so large? I did see in the faq that people questioned why there fonts were too small, so I don't know if for some people everything comes out smaller. Could everything be large because their printing makes things smaller? Thanks for the program :-). -- dunn ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org mailto:dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama* Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, The summer day. To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com mailto:michael.e.r...@gmail.com ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ
Re: Does everyone make large objects, or is it just how I am using Dia?
Alex, Very good advice on the 40%. I tried that but for my multi-page diagram, Dia still printed the same 6 pages to pdf with the 40% part at the upper left of each page. So I tried importing the svg into Inkscape set to cm, but it then printed the text at 1/16 instead of 1/8 (Inkscape does not do well with measurements!). So just exporting an svg and shrinking it will be the way to go, as you say. What I'm after mostly is nice svg files for the web anyway. Printing will work itself out :-). Thanks, -- Dunn On 07/25/2014 01:41 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM, dunn dnaugh...@dunnamin.com mailto:dnaugh...@dunnamin.com wrote: Howdy! I am just learning Dia and was about to try my hand at making some shapes. I notice the shapes I have used in Dia are very large, the borders are very thick at 0.1cm and the font is also large at 22.68pt (5/16). As I make my shapes, I would want to make them so they fit 9 pt font size (1/8 tall), which is what I consider to be the perfect size (so studies say for us CAD users), and the borders would be 0.5 mm thick instead of 0.1cm. This means I would make much smaller shapes. Would anyone be able to use those shapes, or want to? Just scale the page to whatever you want I use around 40% for UML diagrams and works pretty well but YMMV Best, Alex ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Double 'shapes' in shape files
If this is more of an svg question and not something particular to Dia, just let me know please! All through the sample files, the shapes have xml like this, with two calls to ellipses, rectangles, circles: svg:svg svg:ellipse style=fill: default cx=5 cy=5 rx=7 ry=7/ svg:ellipse style=fill: none; fill-opacity:0; stroke-width: 0.1; stroke: #00 cx=5 cy=5 rx=7 ry=7/ /svg:svg ...but I get the same effect with just one call and a thicker stroke-width like this: svg:svg svg:ellipse style=fill: default; stroke-width:1 cx=5 cy=5 rx=7 ry=7/ /svg I really don't even see how the sample files get a thick line from this, since stroke-width:0.1 gives a hairline and the radii are the same in both the calls. Is there a reason to make shapes the first way as opposed to the second? Thanks, -- Dunn ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Does everyone make large objects, or is it just how I am using Dia?
Andrey, Thanks! Sorry about the 'prefix' thing. It's just what I remembered from the manual, which is the same as the page link you sent. It says: As in the example, you may use compound names. Many shapes have first part of its name to indicate the sheet in which they appear, but this is optional. So, I had copied a shape and renamed it in its file, and I had copied from a sheet file and renamed the shape there. The names of both my sheet and the shape were different than the original. It wasn't until I changed the first part of the compound name inside the shape file from 'BPMN - ' to 'BPMN2 - ' that I could see my changes _and_ had no 'duplicate' error. I'm sure having made some of these or being familiar with the source code, the questions that I have most likely cannot even be seen. For example, I started with this file from BPMN sheet with the filename 'Start-Event-Message.shape': 01 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? 02 shape xmlns=http://www.daa.com.au/~james/dia-shape-ns; xmlns:svg=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; 03 nameBPMN - Start-Event-Message/name 04 iconStart-Event-Message.png/icon 05 connections 06 point x=0 y=0/ 07 point x=10 y=0/ 08 point x=10 y=10/ 09 point x=0 y=10/ 10 point x=5 y=12/ 11 point x=5 y=-2/ 12 point x=-2 y=5/ 13 point x=12 y=5/ 14 /connections 15 aspectratio type=fixed/ 16 svg:svg 17 svg:ellipse style=fill: default cx=5 cy=5 rx=7 ry=7/ 18 svg:ellipse style=fill: none; fill-opacity:0; stroke-width: 0.1; stroke: #00 cx=5 cy=5 rx=7 ry=7/ 19 svg:rect style=fill: default x=1 y=2 width=8 height=6/ 20 svg:rect style=fill: none; fill-opacity:0; stroke-width: 0.1; stroke: #00 x=1 y=2 width=8 height=6/ 21 svg:line style=fill: none; fill-opacity:0; stroke-width: 0.1; stroke: #00 x1=1 y1=2 x2=5 y2=5/ 22 svg:line style=fill: none; fill-opacity:0; stroke-width: 0.1; stroke: #00 x1=9 y1=2 x2=5 y2=5/ 23 /svg:svg 24 /shape line 02: None of the sample files I have opened have online files that match the 'xmlns=' field. I don't know if that was a cause of my 'duplicate' error, but none of the files reference the xml namespace anyway. line 03: This is where nothing worked with all the files renamed and this field set to 'BPMN - Start-Event-Message by dunn'. When I changed it to 'BPMN2 - Start-Event-Message by dunn' it worked. line 05-14: Here, the bounding box of the shape is 14x14, but the connection points have strange numbers. I thought they must just be relative to the bounding box size of the shape. But that wouldn't explain the negative numbers. So then I figured the points must all be relative to a 10x10 area centered in the center of the shape, but when I opened other files this was not true. When I opened other files they were different ranges but those had svg size in line 16. One of them had svg limits of 10,12 but was a circle. I don't know how the two are related. I'll figure it out with trial and error tonight though. lines 17-18: I don't know why the duplicate svg shapes all through the files. It doesn't seem to need it and I don't know why it's done like that. So, I am swimming in total ignorance :-! I am not just working with A typical shape file may look something like this..., because I have all of the sample files from the installation. I don't know which are supposed to be shining examples of what should be done, but I'm sure I'll get something working. What I really don't think I'll figure out from the samples is the 'xmlns=' part, because I have no samples of what should be there. I suppose I'll lose the xml namespace and the duplicate shape definitions. I only ask such things because I don't want to go back and change the files I create because I didn't know the obvious. Thanks, Andrey! -- Dunn On 07/25/2014 07:58 PM, Andrey Repin wrote: Greetings, dunn! I actually didn't have any files or shapes to share because I was about to create some, but if I have other questions, can we add an attachment on the mailing list messages? Yes. I've actually been working on figuring out why the shapes are coded the way they are. Quite easy - to be scalable. I copied some into my local shapes folder and couldn't figure out why my changes would not show up. Because they weren't listed in any sheet. Or because your shapes have duplicate names. Or both. It took a lot of tweaking thinking it was not having extents on the svg part, whether line thickness were not being accepted because in some shapes they're stated with reals, other integers, and some not at all. In reality (pun intended), the shape measuring units are relative to the shape itself, and bear [almost] no significance for resulting diagram. It turns out there was something to do with the prefix on the name of the shapes. There's no such thing as prefix. I still couldn't state definitely what I had wrong. It will take some more testing to figure
Dia software licences
Hi, Is the DIA software available for free use within a commercial enviroment thanks Anthony ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
