[DDN] Invitation to NCTET's Critical Issue Forum

2006-09-12 Thread BBracey
 
 
  The National Coalition for Technology in Education and Training (NCTET) 
 invites you to the second in a series of education forums focusing on the 
 critical role technology plays in meeting our nation’s most challenging 
 education 
 and workforce development issues
   
 
  Space is Limited – RSVP NOW to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to reserve your space
   
  Globalization and US Competitiveness:
  The Role of K-12 Education in Assuring Language Competency
   
  Date:     Tuesday, September 26, 2006
  Time: 10:30 am – 12:00 noon
  Location:     US Capitol Building; HC-5
   
  Speakers will include:
  Ø  Keynote:  Dr. Richard D. Brecht, Executive Director, Center for 
 Advanced Study of Language, University of Maryland
  Ø  Dr. Yong Zhao, University Distinguished Professor , Director, Center 
 of Teaching and Technology, College of Education, Michigan State University
  Ø  Dr. Robert Fischer, Professor of French and Linguistics, Chair, 
 Department of Modern languages, Texas State University, Executive Director, 
 Computer-Assisted Language Instruction Consortium (CALICO)
  Ø  Martha Abbott, Director of Education, American Council on Teaching 
 of Foreign Languages
   
  NCTET’s “Critical Issues” forums are designed for policymaking audiences 
 to showcase current and emerging innovations in technology and their 
 application for learning achievement and workplace productivity.  NCTET’s 
 forums are 
 presented with support from Verizon Communications, Inc.
   
 
 

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[DDN] Ethics in Telecommunications Lecture and Awards Presented by Astroturf Group, TRAC.

2006-09-12 Thread Bruce Kushnick


Post Everywhere.

Teletruth News Alert - September 12th, 2006

http://www.newnetworks.com/ethicsaward.htm   

Ethics in Telecommunications Awards Presented by Astroturf Group.

United Church of Christ a Stooge for the Baby Bells?

Only in Washington DC would no one bat an eyelash when an astroturf group is
a sponsor and prime mover that gives out ethics' awards in
telecommunications at the National Press Club.

The Everett C. Parker Lecture and Awards Luncheon --The 24th Annual Everett
C. Parker Ethics in Telecommunications Lecture and Awards Luncheon, will
be held Tuesday, September 12, 2006, at 11:45 a.m. at the National Press
Club. The event is sponsored by the Office of Communication of the United
Church of Christ, Inc. (OC, Inc.) and the Telecommunications Research and
Action Center (TRAC).

TRAC: http://www.trac.org/events/

We are not commenting on whether any of the recipients deserve their awards.
TRAC is run by Issue Dynamics. Sam Simon is the chairman of TRAC as well as
the founder of Issue Dynamics, a group that works for the phone companies,
Verizon, ATT, BellSouth to create astroturf groups or work with co-opted
consumer, Hispanic, black, seniors or disabled groups for phone
company-sponsored campaigns and lobbying. 

See our homage page to astroturf groups:
http://www.newnetworks.com/skunkworks101.html

What is Astroturf?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Astroturf   

Some Data About TRAC: 

About TRAC: http://www.newnetworks.com/skunkworksTRAC.html 

1) TRAC published a series of biased reports that were used to help the Bell
companies enter long distance while trashing ATT and MCI. This data was
used and quoted by Verizon, BellSouth, SBC and others as real.

Example: A new study by (TRAC) found that consumers in Pennsylvania,
Illinois, Florida and Georgia could save at least $507 million and up to
$1.73 billion on local phone and long distance service after one year of
increased competition.

2) Even though TRAC is a non-profit, it was able to use money from Issue
Dynamics (the Bell companies as clients) to do these reports.

TRAC IRS filings for 2002 showed TRAC made $19,600, had $47,000 of expenses,
and owed Issue Dynamics and others $122,000 in liabilities. During the
year, TRAC purchased goods and services from an affiliated taxable
organization named Issue Dynamics, inc. Issue Dynamics, Inc. provider
management services as well as overhead costs for fees to TRAC.

3) Economics  Technology wrote about TRAC and its data: 
The so called consumer group that released these long distance studies,
TRAC, is actually the creation of a Washington, DC public relations firm
who's clients include Verizon, all of the other Bell companies, and the Bell
companies' lobbying organization, the United States Telephone Association.

The study's various assertions and assumptions, and the conclusions based
thereon, are demonstrably false. 

See; http://www.teletruth.org/docs/ETItestimonyvirginia2002.pdf

4) Teletruth filed a complaint with the FCC over the fact that TRAC and
other Bell funded groups are on the FCC Consumer Advisory Committee.
http://www.teletruth.org/consumeradvisory.html  

About the Other Sponsor, United Church of Christ (UCC)

Sourcewatch outlines some of the relationships between the Bell companies,
Issue Dynamics and the UCC.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=United_Church_of_Christ  
 
And a story at http://www.UCCtruths.com  asks United Church of Christ
Stooge for the Baby Bells?  Verizon (and Issue Dynamics) created a rally
and campaign with various groups including UCC and the Gray Panthers to make
MCI, then Verizon's largest competitor, look bad in the courts. Ironically,
it worked and Verizon ended up buying MCI.

What's wrong with astroturf groups? 
These faux grass-roots groups and their 'skunkworks' -- a cabal/campaign
that controls the message for various groups --- are essentially out to
deceive the regulators, the press and the public. This allows 
BellSouth, ATT and Verizon to use non-profit status' to create campaigns
that benefit these companies, but have the look-and-feel of being good for
consumers. Or worse, there are co-opted organizations such as American
Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD) or League of United Latin
American Citizens (LULAC), that represent various black, Hispanic, disabled
or seniors' issues. Because of their corporate funding, they make decisions
that help their non-profit organization, but at a cost -- many of the issues
they back don't help their constituents.

And there is a great deal of documentation that shows that various
Bell-funded campaigns raised customer rates, retarded competition and slowed
America's broadband deployment and the economy -- real harms because faux
groups have the funding of deep-pocket corporations to shout louder than
anyone else.

This problem is widespread and hundreds of millions of dollars are being
spent to fool the public. Go to Issue Dynamics web site and you 

Re: [DDN] Contacts and projects for Rural ICT/SMEs Business models

2006-09-12 Thread Eric Kimasha
Dear members,
   
  I am working in the ICT4RD project in Tanzania. I am in the preparation to 
conduct a stud on the appropriate Business model to diffuse broadband services 
in the rural. My vision is that the model integrate ICT and SMEs activities. It 
should also accomodate other e-services such as e-Local government, e-Health, 
and eLearning. I have limited reference for such iniatives. 
   
  I kindly, request whomever to provide contacts and reference materials with 
insights of ICT/SMEs business models with best practices in the rural.
   
  I advance thanks.
   
  Kimasha Erick,
  Co-ordinator,
  Entrepreneurship Pillar,
  ICT4RD Project-Tanzania
  Mob: +255 713 177372
  E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.ictanzania.ne.tz


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[DDN] Digital divide.. the access that is possible- can you connect? Depends

2006-09-12 Thread BBracey
 There are parts of the U.S. that do not have broadband service at
all... I think we have a clear role for government to play in terms
of filling that gap.
    -- Rep. Rick Boucher (D-Va)

The above quote from Benton Headlines. Those of us who travel widely in the 
rural parts of the country may see this up close and personal as we try to keep 
up with our email. 

My brother was traveling to Africa, and interestingly enough, he was able to 
send email every day, and sometimes pictures. The digital divide is very 
uneven, .. and you could say to me, well he was probably in big cities. But the 
email describing the baboons that took their sandwiches was from a very small 
place in Africa.   Yet I have gone to gasoline stations in Namibia to be able 
to 
send a post.

America's 50 states have populations rural and tribal who are touched by the 
installation of infrastructure. My friend Ferdi Serim is working with the 
Navajo as they install wireless.


Native American culture preservation and access to ICT

Karen Buller, President and CEO, National Indian Telecommunications Institute


Background
The History of telecom in Indian Country is a story of deprivation. To 
illustrate let me tell you a true story.   When phone service first came to 
North 
Dakota, copper lines were dragged over Indian lands to get to White customers.  
 My friend Carol Davis of Turtle Mountain Chippewa tribe told me about how 
her grandmother desired telephone service, but was ignored by the service 
provider.   In fact their phone company routinely pulled cable over her front 
yard 
to get to white customers.   After many requests and many rejections from the 
phone company, Carol's grandmother devised a plan.   Every morning she took a 
large scissors to her front yard and cut the phone wire.   It took several 
times of doing this before she finally received phone service too. I am proud 
that 
this brave little-old-lady found a way to get phone service when Native 
Americans were being ignored.   It has not been so easy for other Native 
Americans 
to obtain phone service.
.
 There are over 2 million Native Americans in the United States.   
An important background note for non-Indians is to recognize the diversity with 
the North American continent of Native Americans.   Today there are over 562 
federally recognized tribes in the Unites States.   They are each sovereign 
nations with treaty rights.   Before Europeans came, there were many more. Just 
as one would not lump all Europeans together as one of mind or spirit, neither 
can one lump all Native tribes together.   The tribes of North America have 
different languages, foods and religions.   To lump Tribes of the United States 
together would be like saying Italians are the same as Swedes because they 
are both Europeans.   The differences are great.
 
Don't expect diverse tribes to have the same opinions or ideas.   Also 
telecommunications solutions will by necessity vary widely due the different 
geographic situations.   For example a solution that is affordable in the 
plains may 
not even work in the mountains. Tribal diversity and geography must be taken 
into account when examining business and telecommunications solutions. 
So this is one of the tribal tales for your understanding. It is from Karen's 
chapter on Indian Telecommunications.

Bonnie Bracey Sutton
bbracey at aol com
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Re: [DDN] Digital Divide( too many blogs, too little time)

2006-09-12 Thread gerfalcon7
Hello BBracey et. al,
   
  It's no surprise to me that many who discuss the digital divide don't have 
much of a clue as to life in the trenches.  I work with a large population in 
the U.S. near the geographical area you indicate.  It is composed of 
non-English speakers who are not even literate in the language of their country 
of origin.  
   
  The World Health Organization estimates that 1% of the world's adult 
population has access to a computer.  Check their website for more specific 
stats if you are so inclined.
   
   
  The true victory of propaganda occurs when it makes losers feel like 
winners. 


  There is still a digital divide. We don't still have funding for the Digital 
Divide Network based on the proclamation that there is no longer a need but...


Most people are unaware of it because those of us on line forget that there 
are places where there is nothing. Many of the people blogging about the feds 
are my friends.

I probably believe them more than the Feds. But the feds are the ones who 
told us that there was no digital divide. I am a victim of fed sponsored 
separate 
but unequal education. It still affects my life.

Usually people in the majority may have an unawareness of the problems of 
being minority in a mainstream culture that has wealth, influence and power.

You may remember, about six months ago, we had a long discussion about the 
fact that some black activists proclaimed the divide to be over. I wrote an 
essay that talked about the developing changes in the new wave of technology 
that 
are not even at K-12 level, but...

I think you have to look at the variables of the digital divide, but before 
we do that. 

Have you worked in places where people don't have much of anything and the 
schools are bad?. Come to DC. In the home of the Education president, the 
schools are failing, and unfortunately it has nothing much to do with just the 
technology, the variables are set over history, decades of neglect and disdain 
about 'colored' people no matter what color they were. There have been many 
divides in the US that are not about technology. Who cares about DC schools. 
Heck we 
don't even have a vote. Our city belongs to the nation and the nation doesn't 
care about our schools or our political plight. Divide that.

The Navajo may have connectivity in their schools. Many children go to 
boarding schools, and many homes do not have telephones. I can tell you more of 
these tribal stories.

We may want to also think our web sites are not bilingual as others in other 
countries are to facilitate the use of dual language systems.

Probably the economic and education divide affect the  digital divide ' more 
than anything.
It's the reason we have the Black , Hispanic and Asian cultures. Our concerns 
and problems are not always mainstream. Our problems are often pushed aside. 
Higher education studies often only goes to schools in areas of choice. In the 
last school that I worked in DC, the conditions inside the school would be 
oppressive. Think ancient fumes of urine , huge rats and that kind of stuff and 
danger in the neighborhood, and theft.

Digital Divide as a Symptom

Education has always played a central role in human development. While today 
the world accepts universal primary education as an achievable goal, formal 
schooling for everyone is a relatively recent phenomenon. Even when it was 
less formalized or standardized, scientific and technical curiosity helped 
move mankind from the agricultural to the industrial and now into the knowledge 
economy.

 At a personal level, education helps individuals move beyond subsistence 
agriculture, and helps them compete against their peers. However, in today's 
globalized world, the competition is not just with people of the same 
village or region, but across continents.

A century ago, improving transportation was a driving force behind 
globalization. Now, information and communications technology (ICT) is a major 
factor. ICT's role in spurring development is positive, but it has also been 
seen 
as asymmetric. While it has the potential to be the great equalizer and 
democratizer, those who have been left outside its purview, or who fail to 
harness its potential, are increasingly at risk of falling further behind.


In response to increasing concerns about the “digital divide” - the gap 
between those who benefit from digital technologies and those who do not - a 
growing number of technology initiatives have emerged over the past decade, 
realizing the potential of digital technologies to underserved community 
members.

This comes from the work of Dr. Rahul Tongia, at Carnegie Mellon, who goes on 
to say
 The Digital Divide

 The digital divide, however defined, is a stark divide and a challenge
for development  and technology
professionals. It is actually a manifestation of other underlying
divides,  spanning economic, social, geographic, gender, and other
divides.

 Attempting to address  the 

Re: [DDN] Estimating the number of internet users in a country - amoving target

2006-09-12 Thread Fouad Riaz Bajwa
Dear Salman,

I have used and referenced stats from the following websites frequently and
most of these are updated on a regular basis and are widely referenced by
many sources.

Best website for identifying Website and Domain Hosting Info with detailed
analysis of companies and stakeholders, I particularly like the market
segmentation analysis they provide and has lot of important business data.
http://webhosting.info/ 


For Pakistan
http://www.webhosting.info/webhosts/tophosts/Country/PK 


Internet Usage World Stats - Internet and Population Statistics
Internet World Usage Statistics for 233 countries and regions of the world,
2006 population statistics and information for Internet Marketing Research.
http://www.internetworldstats.com 


Internet Society Market Research/Statistics
http://www.isoc.org/internet/stats/ 


ITU-International Telecommunication Union Free Statistics,
http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/statistics 


Internet Usage Snapshot Links
http://www.refdesk.com/netsnap.html 


Global Internet Statistics (by Language)
http://www.glreach.com/globstats/index.php3 


References:
http://global-reach.biz/globstats/refs.php3 


Details by Country
http://global-reach.biz/globstats/details.html   


Ecommerce Stats till 2004
http://glreach.com/eng/ed/art/2004.ecommerce.php3 



Regards
---
Fouad Riaz Bajwa
FOSS Advocate
FOSSFP: Free and Open Source Software Foundation of Pakistan
iFOSSF International Free and Open Source Software Foundation, MI, USA

-Original Message-
From: Salman Ansari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:30 AM
To: 'The Digital Divide Network discussion group'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [DDN] Estimating the number of internet users in a country -
amoving target

In the mail on Tele-medicine, what struck me was the figure of 50 M Internet
users in India. I feel the same way when I read statistics of other
countries as well.

 

I have always wondered how the number of Internet users in a country is
estimated. Over the last 10 years I have been struggling to get to an
educated estimate but the range is anything between 5 to 20 Million in
Pakistan. I am doing a comprehensive report for setting up Telecenters in
the rural areas and despite my long experience in Telecommunications and
Internet, I cannot  find a sensible and standard acceptable method of
finding out how many users does a country or region have.

 

The reason for this complexity for estimating this is because:

 

1.Each user does not have a registered unique identity like a telephone
number hence we cannot make (nearly) neat guesstimates like GSM users. Even
GSM users are off by over 20 - 30% since prepaid SIMs do not ensure that
every SIM has one user liked to it as people have multiple SIMs.

2.The same issue is exacerbated when trying to determine 'active' and
'inactive' users for this purpose.

3.Most users are pre-paid accounts using scratch cards. But scratch
cards are no measure of the number of users.

4.One cannot count e-mail address of local ISPs any longer, since a vast
majority uses gmail, hotmail, yahoo or other mail servers

5.The number of users of cyber cafes, Telecenters and other iterant
users cannot be counted

6.With HFC, DSL and Broadband in offices and building complexes with
local distribution via LANs but having hundreds of users behind a single IP
address

 

Hence I fear that the numbers of users given in each country is mostly
fiction. Can some one give a proper and standardized method of estimating
the number of Internet users in a country, region and world? Or is it just
someone conjuring up a number and getting as many people to use this for it
becoming THE respectable datum?!

 

The same is the issue with finding the e-readiness of a country by basing it
on the number of IP addresses and 'Hosts' alone.

 

What measure is used in different countries - especially in developed and
developing economies? I feel that that a standardized and accurate method
should be adopted since the status of countries, their own internal
development programs and for a variety of other purposes, is now being
reckoned based on faulty and uneven statistics of telecommunications usage,
specially the Internet.

 

Regards

 

Salman Ansari  

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Bhatt
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 3:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [DDN] Doc's prescription for tele-medicine

 

Hi all

An articlce about Internet and tele-medicine in India-

 

How is Internet helping tele-medicine to grow in villages of India? An

article recently published in Moneycontrol website points out the benefits

of Internet in shaping tele-medicine in India.

 

Excerpt:But now, Telemedicine has got a new lease of life, thanks to the

spread of the Internet. With the number of Internet users growing by leaps

and bounds (numbering over 50 million as of December 2005, 

Re: [DDN] Estimating the number of internet users in a country - a moving target

2006-09-12 Thread Mark Warschauer
I don't have a response to your question, but a good place to discuss 
these kinds of methodological issues is the Association of Internet 
Researchers List.  Subscriptions at:
http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org

Mark Warschauer
UC Irvine

In the mail on Tele-medicine, what struck me was the figure of 50 M Internet
users in India. I feel the same way when I read statistics of other
countries as well.



I have always wondered how the number of Internet users in a country is
estimated. Over the last 10 years I have been struggling to get to an
educated estimate but the range is anything between 5 to 20 Million in
Pakistan. I am doing a comprehensive report for setting up Telecenters in
the rural areas and despite my long experience in Telecommunications and
Internet, I cannot  find a sensible and standard acceptable method of
finding out how many users does a country or region have.



The reason for this complexity for estimating this is because:



1.Each user does not have a registered unique identity like a telephone
number hence we cannot make (nearly) neat guesstimates like GSM users. Even
GSM users are off by over 20 - 30% since prepaid SIMs do not ensure that
every SIM has one user liked to it as people have multiple SIMs.

2.The same issue is exacerbated when trying to determine 'active' and
'inactive' users for this purpose.

3.Most users are pre-paid accounts using scratch cards. But scratch
cards are no measure of the number of users.

4.One cannot count e-mail address of local ISPs any longer, since a vast
majority uses gmail, hotmail, yahoo or other mail servers

5.The number of users of cyber cafes, Telecenters and other iterant
users cannot be counted

6.With HFC, DSL and Broadband in offices and building complexes with
local distribution via LANs but having hundreds of users behind a single IP
address



Hence I fear that the numbers of users given in each country is mostly
fiction. Can some one give a proper and standardized method of estimating
the number of Internet users in a country, region and world? Or is it just
someone conjuring up a number and getting as many people to use this for it
becoming THE respectable datum?!



The same is the issue with finding the e-readiness of a country by basing it
on the number of IP addresses and 'Hosts' alone.



What measure is used in different countries - especially in developed and
developing economies? I feel that that a standardized and accurate method
should be adopted since the status of countries, their own internal
development programs and for a variety of other purposes, is now being
reckoned based on faulty and uneven statistics of telecommunications usage,
specially the Internet.



Regards



Salman Ansari 





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Bhatt
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 3:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [DDN] Doc's prescription for tele-medicine



Hi all

An articlce about Internet and tele-medicine in India-



How is Internet helping tele-medicine to grow in villages of India? An

article recently published in Moneycontrol website points out the benefits

of Internet in shaping tele-medicine in India.



Excerpt:But now, Telemedicine has got a new lease of life, thanks to the

spread of the Internet. With the number of Internet users growing by leaps

and bounds (numbering over 50 million as of December 2005, according to

Internetworldstats.com and broadband set to explode into Indian homes, the

World Wide Web might just be the medicine that the doctor had prescribed for

an ailing tele-medicine.



Read the full article at:

  Doc's prescription for tele-medicine

http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/tech/docsprescriptionfortelemedicine
telemedicine/docsprescriptionfortelemedicine/market/stocks/article/238775



Jay



Jay Bhatt

Information Services Consultant (Engineering)

Hagerty Library, Drexel University

TEL 215-895-1873

AOL IM jaybhatt59  YAHOO IM jay_bhatt_98

FAX 215-895-2070

EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Engineering Resources Blog:

http://www.library.drexel.edu/blogs/englibrary/



Jay's Information Initiatives in India community on the Digital Divide

Network

http://www.digitaldivide.net/community/InformationIndia



Jay's blog on the Digital Divide Network

http://www.digitaldivide.net/blog/jaybhatt



Jay's Journal on LISNews

http://www.lisnews.org/~Jay/journal



Jay's submissions on LISNews

http://www.lisnews.org/~Jay

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Re: [DDN] Contacts and projects for Rural ICT/SMEs Business models

2006-09-12 Thread Kris White
Dear Kimasha,

I recently heard a talk by a Senator Leornard Tsosie, from the state of New
Mexico in the U.S. On a project he is doing taking Internet to remote areas
of his state. The name of his project is Internet to the Hogan.

Good luck-
Kris White


http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2006/prod_041806.html


http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:0zAMPPDlkd4J:www.navajo.org/images/other
%2520pdf/The%2520Internet%2520to%2520the%2520Hogans.pdf+Senator+Leonard+Tsos
iehl=engl=usct=clnkcd=2




on 9/10/06 9:31 AM, Eric Kimasha at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear members,

   I am working in the ICT4RD project in Tanzania. I am in the preparation to
 conduct a stud on the appropriate Business model to diffuse broadband services
 in the rural. My vision is that the model integrate ICT and SMEs activities.
 It should also accomodate other e-services such as e-Local government,
 e-Health, and eLearning. I have limited reference for such iniatives.

   I kindly, request whomever to provide contacts and reference materials with
 insights of ICT/SMEs business models with best practices in the rural.

   I advance thanks.

   Kimasha Erick,
   Co-ordinator,
   Entrepreneurship Pillar,
   ICT4RD Project-Tanzania
   Mob: +255 713 177372
   E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   www.ictanzania.ne.tz
 
 
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Re: [DDN] [pakistanictpolicy] RE: Estimating the number of internet users in a country - amoving target

2006-09-12 Thread Salman Ansari
Dear Fouad

I have most of these sites but when one tries to get to the basis of each
statistic and one becomes uneasy since these refer to sources which (at
least for Pakistan) are in many cases, invalid. Also the data e.g. in the UN
reports are off by several years and are also incorrectly sourced. 

The issue is how one really estimates the number of Internet users. Claude's
and your inputs are useful and I feel that if I can get PTA to fund it, I
would compose a media campaign for a common short code SMS for all carriers,
broadcast to all users of cell phones to return with a yes or no to a
question if they use the Internet or not. This campaign would have rewards
linked to responses.

The logic is that Internet users will usually also be Cell phone users (40
Million of them!) and we may just get a better handle on at least where we
stand in Pakistan.

Regards

Salman  

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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:41 PM
To: 'The Digital Divide Network discussion group'; 'The Digital Divide
Network discussion group'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [pakistanictpolicy] RE: [DDN] Estimating the number of internet
users in a country - amoving target

Dear Salman,

I have used and referenced stats from the following websites frequently and
most of these are updated on a regular basis and are widely referenced by
many sources.

Best website for identifying Website and Domain Hosting Info with detailed
analysis of companies and stakeholders, I particularly like the market
segmentation analysis they provide and has lot of important business data.
http://webhosting.info/ 


For Pakistan
http://www.webhosting.info/webhosts/tophosts/Country/PK 


Internet Usage World Stats - Internet and Population Statistics
Internet World Usage Statistics for 233 countries and regions of the world,
2006 population statistics and information for Internet Marketing Research.
http://www.internetworldstats.com 


Internet Society Market Research/Statistics
http://www.isoc.org/internet/stats/ 


ITU-International Telecommunication Union Free Statistics,
http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/statistics 


Internet Usage Snapshot Links
http://www.refdesk.com/netsnap.html 


Global Internet Statistics (by Language)
http://www.glreach.com/globstats/index.php3 


References:
http://global-reach.biz/globstats/refs.php3 


Details by Country
http://global-reach.biz/globstats/details.html   


Ecommerce Stats till 2004
http://glreach.com/eng/ed/art/2004.ecommerce.php3 



Regards
---
Fouad Riaz Bajwa
FOSS Advocate
FOSSFP: Free and Open Source Software Foundation of Pakistan
iFOSSF International Free and Open Source Software Foundation, MI, USA

-Original Message-
From: Salman Ansari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:30 AM
To: 'The Digital Divide Network discussion group'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [DDN] Estimating the number of internet users in a country -
amoving target

In the mail on Tele-medicine, what struck me was the figure of 50 M Internet
users in India. I feel the same way when I read statistics of other
countries as well.

 

I have always wondered how the number of Internet users in a country is
estimated. Over the last 10 years I have been struggling to get to an
educated estimate but the range is anything between 5 to 20 Million in
Pakistan. I am doing a comprehensive report for setting up Telecenters in
the rural areas and despite my long experience in Telecommunications and
Internet, I cannot  find a sensible and standard acceptable method of
finding out how many users does a country or region have.

 

The reason for this complexity for estimating this is because:

 

1.Each user does not have a registered unique identity like a telephone
number hence we cannot make (nearly) neat guesstimates like GSM users. Even
GSM users are off by over 20 - 30% since prepaid SIMs do not ensure that
every SIM has one user liked to it as people have multiple SIMs.

2.The same issue is exacerbated when trying to determine 'active' and
'inactive' users for this purpose.

3.Most users are pre-paid accounts using scratch cards. But scratch
cards are no measure of the number of users.

4.One cannot count e-mail address of local ISPs any longer, since a vast
majority uses gmail, hotmail, yahoo or other mail servers

5.The number of users of cyber cafes, Telecenters and other iterant
users cannot be counted

6.With HFC, DSL and Broadband in offices and building complexes with
local distribution via LANs but having hundreds of users behind a single IP
address

 

Hence I fear that the numbers of users given in each country is mostly
fiction. Can some one give a proper and standardized method of estimating
the number of Internet users in a country, region and world? Or is it just
someone conjuring up a number and getting as many people to use this for it
becoming THE