Re: Asio Bindings?

[DanielG via Digitalmars-d-learn]

I'm a little late (1.5 years) to the ASIO discussion party, but I 
recently wrote something for myself that may be useful to others:


https://github.com/dewf/DASIOClient

I haven't published to DUB yet because 1) it's a pretty naive 
implementation and 2) I'm still very new to D, and 3) there's a 
built-in logging thing that will probably annoy everybody (which 
is why I need to spend more time with D, so I can learn The Right 
Way)


It's "batteries included" (DLL+LIB files for Win32/64), so you 
don't have to compile the C library yourself.


Note: it currently only really supports the ASIOSTInt32LSB sample 
type, because that's what all my test hardware uses; I have no 
idea if the other sample types are in common use with modern 
audio interfaces. But the C library also passes through 
ASIOSTFloat32LSB/ASIOSTFloat64LSB, so it would be very easy to 
modify the D wrapper to accommodate those, as well.


If the included example program plays silence, then you'll 
probably need a new sample type :)

Re: Asio Bindings?

[Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Saturday, 11 June 2016 at 04:11:59 UTC, Joerg Joergonson wrote:
Are you using any of their source code from the vst sdk? If you 
hand re-write any of their source code, it is yours.


That could actually be considered to be a translation and a 
derived work. If you implement from a specification you might be 
safe, although some claim that APIs are copyrightable 
(questionable IMO).

Re: Asio Bindings?

[Smoke Adams via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Wednesday, 8 June 2016 at 23:19:13 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

I do have (Steinberg) ASIO binding in D.

The problem is I couldn't release the bindings. I've asked 
Steinberg if it was OK to release D bindings and they were 
strongly against it unfortunately (and this was over 3 years 
ago..).


Any kind of direct use of ASIO requires their approval first.. 
meaning you had to register on their website.


I would recommend using third party libs that abstract the 
underlying engine, like PortAudio  or RtAudio (the later of 
which I'm going to release a port of soon!).


I had a binding to PortAudio but the devs of that library 
insisted on only supporting interleaved audio, RtAudio supports 
both interleaved and non-interleaved audio, and the library is 
easy to port.




Any news on this?

Re: Asio Bindings?

[Joerg Joergonson via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Friday, 10 June 2016 at 20:52:46 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
On 6/9/16, Joerg Joergonson via Digitalmars-d-learn 
 wrote:

[...]


Just to show that I'm not full of shit, here's the e-mail chain:

On 6/3/11, Andrej Mitrovic  wrote:

[...]




On 6/7/11, Yvan Grabit  wrote:

[...]




On 6/23/11, Andrej Mitrovic  wrote:

[...]



On 6/23/11, Yvan Grabit  wrote:

[...]




On 6/23/11, Andrej Mitrovic  wrote:

[...]




Unfortunately this is the last I've heard from them at the 
time..


Well, I definitely didn't think you were full of shit! But I see 
no negative statements against doing what you did. They simply 
said that you can't include their code directly... they want 
people who download your code to have to download the sdk from 
Steinberg.


You own your code, no one else, not even Steinberg... but you 
don't own or have the right, as they mention, to publish their 
code with yours.


Creating bindings is not a license infraction.


[...]



Are you using any of their source code from the vst sdk? If you 
hand re-write any of their source code, it is yours.


You say that the only two files from the sdk are aeffect.h and 
aeffectx.h, right?


Is it these:

https://github.com/falkTX/dssi-vst/blob/master/vestige/aeffectx.h

https://sourceforge.net/u/geyan123d/freepiano/ci/54f876d52c6f49925495f7ed880bd2434bda0504/tree/src/vst/aeffect.h?format=raw

http://www.dith.it/listing/vst_stuff/vstsdk2.4/doc/html/aeffect_8h.html

https://source.openmpt.org/svn/openmpt/branches/devBranch_1_17_03/include/AEffect.h

etc...

If so, as you can see, people already do what your wanting to do 
and their is probably a reason they stopped responding, and it's 
because they can't do much as long as you don't include anything 
from them.


Of course, don't take my word... maybe ask on stack overflow or 
something? If you are simply worried about being sued then that 
problem is relatively easily fixed! Just ask Walter or Andrei to 
fund your defense ;)


Don't let your hard work go to waste! ;) I think you should be 
more afraid of all the questions I'll be asking you on how to use 
it rather than being sued by Steinberg! ;)

Re: Asio Bindings?

[Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On 6/9/16, Joerg Joergonson via Digitalmars-d-learn
 wrote:
> Why would bindings have any issues with licensing?

Just to show that I'm not full of shit, here's the e-mail chain:

On 6/3/11, Andrej Mitrovic  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm currently porting the Steinberg VST and ASIO SDKs for use with the
> D programming language. I would like to know if there are any special
> licensing requirements before I can publish the source code to a
> public repository.
>
> Specifically, do I need to print out the licensing agreement PDF
> document, sign it, and send it via snail-mail to Steinberg? I'm
> currently unemployed, so there shouldn't be any issues from my part
> with regards to signing any licensing agreements, if that's required.
>
> The bindings themselves won't distribute any C/C++ header or
> implementation files from the SDK, as the D language can't use C
> header files directly.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrej Mitrovic
>



On 6/7/11, Yvan Grabit  wrote:
> Hi Andrej
>
> i will speak with our internal Product planning people about your
> concern...
> I will keep you inform about our decision as soon as we have a decision...
>
> Cheers
>
> Yvan
> 
> Yvan Grabit  mailto:y.gra...@steinberg.de
> Technical Manager - Technology Group Phone: +49-40-21035125
> Steinberg Media Technologies GmbHFax  : +49-40-21035300
> Neuer Hoeltigbaum 22-32, D-22143 Hamburg/Germany
>  http://www.steinberg.net
> 



On 6/23/11, Andrej Mitrovic  wrote:
> Hello Yvan,
>
> I apologize if this e-mail is unnecessary and a decision is yet to be
> made. If you are too busy should I try to contact one of Steinberg's
> official representatives?
>
> I am willing to provide the source code for examination to Steinberg
> if this could help  verify that I'm not breaking any licensing
> requirements.
>
> Have a nice day,
> Andrej Mitrovic
>


On 6/23/11, Yvan Grabit  wrote:
> Hi
>
> we have examine your request, and decide due to our current VST/ASIO
> license that you are not allowed to deploy/distribute a copy of the
> VST/ASIO SDK (partially or full).
> We will investigate a way to change our licensing for research or
> educational use.
>
> In your concrete case, could it be not possible to ask the people you give
> your source using the VST SDK (or ASIO)  to download the VST-SDK (or ASIO)
> (and agree the agreement) and provide a compiler macro (or something
> different) which will convert the VST /ASIO interface to something D
> compatible ?
>
> By the way how can we guaranty that the VST plugin or ASIO component
> developed in D could be load by a host developed in C ?
>
> Cheers
>
> Yvan
>
> 
> Yvan Grabit  mailto:y.gra...@steinberg.de
> Technical Manager - Technology Group Phone: +49-40-21035125
> Steinberg Media Technologies GmbHFax  : +49-40-21035300
> Neuer Hoeltigbaum 22-32, D-22143 Hamburg/Germany
>  http://www.steinberg.net
> 



On 6/23/11, Andrej Mitrovic  wrote:
> On 6/23/11, Yvan Grabit  wrote:
>> In your concrete case, could it be not possible to ask the people you
>> give
>> your source using the VST SDK (or ASIO)  to download the VST-SDK (or
>> ASIO)
>> (and agree the agreement) and provide a compiler macro (or something
>> different) which will convert the VST /ASIO interface to something D
>> compatible ?
>
> Yes, I believe I can do that. For ASIO, I have the following:
>
> - A "Loader", which is a source file made from scratch which searches
> for ASIO entries in the Windows Registry and provides a class which
> can load and initialize any found ASIO drivers. Through this class
> user code calls functions like "canSampleRate", "outputReady", etc.
>
> The Loader only requires the type definitions found in the
> asiosdk\common\asio.h header file. This header file can be
> automatically converted to D via an existing tool, and the Loader
> would then import the newly converted header file and use the type
> definitions.
>
> The Loader requires the OpenAsio DLL that can be found here:
> http://www.martinfay.com/openasio.htm
>
> The reason OpenAsio is required is because the ASIO COM class has the
> "thiscall" calling convention which is not directly supported by the D
> language. It might be possible to use inline assembler to simulate the
> "thiscall" calling convention, but this would require some work on my
> part to get it working.
>
> No other ASIO SDK file is required.
>
> From my current understanding, you would require me that 

Re: Asio Bindings?

[Joerg Joergonson via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Wednesday, 8 June 2016 at 23:19:13 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:

I do have (Steinberg) ASIO binding in D.

The problem is I couldn't release the bindings. I've asked 
Steinberg if it was OK to release D bindings and they were 
strongly against it unfortunately (and this was over 3 years 
ago..).


Any kind of direct use of ASIO requires their approval first.. 
meaning you had to register on their website.


I would recommend using third party libs that abstract the 
underlying engine, like PortAudio  or RtAudio (the later of 
which I'm going to release a port of soon!).


I had a binding to PortAudio but the devs of that library 
insisted on only supporting interleaved audio, RtAudio supports 
both interleaved and non-interleaved audio, and the library is 
easy to port.




Why would bindings have any issues with licensing? People release 
VST source code all the time. Sure they will be against it 
because they are muddlefudgers! They can't officially endorse it 
without having to dealing with the user end to some degree and 
Steinberg is known for that kind of behavior(just look at all the 
hoops one has to jump through to get asio in the first place).


Of course, I can't convince you but and I'll probably have to 
re-create your work, but hosting something like that on git 
shouldn't cause any problems. At most, SB will send you a cease 
and desist type of letter. In which case you take it down. Think 
of mono, it essentially duplicated .net and MS hasn't done a 
thing about it(they can't do much but flex their big muscles, in 
which case they didn't).


I would appreciate it though if you thought about it again, it 
would save me a bunch of work!


If the problem is that you have included SB source code, then 
that can easily be remedied by removing and and placing an 
abstraction in it's place where others can plug in the source 
when they d/l it from SB.


I haven't got into writing any audio stuff yet but when I look in 
to it more I'll check out the options. I don't need anything 
overly complex but do need low latency IO.

Re: Asio Bindings?

[Andrej Mitrovic via Digitalmars-d-learn]

I do have (Steinberg) ASIO binding in D.

The problem is I couldn't release the bindings. I've asked Steinberg
if it was OK to release D bindings and they were strongly against it
unfortunately (and this was over 3 years ago..).

Any kind of direct use of ASIO requires their approval first.. meaning
you had to register on their website.

I would recommend using third party libs that abstract the underlying
engine, like PortAudio  or RtAudio (the later of which I'm going to
release a port of soon!).

I had a binding to PortAudio but the devs of that library insisted on
only supporting interleaved audio, RtAudio supports both interleaved
and non-interleaved audio, and the library is easy to port.



On 6/2/16, Pie? via Digitalmars-d-learn
 wrote:
> On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 11:15:59 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:
>> On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 06:28:51 UTC, Pie? wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 04:52:50 UTC, Mithun Hunsur wrote:
 On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 04:02:36 UTC, Pie? wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is any Asio bindings or direct D
> available that allows for IO?

 Check out vibe.d: https://vibed.org/ - it includes a fairly
 complete implementation of asynchronous I/O, among other
 things.
>>>
>>> Oh, lol, I should have mentioned I meant for audio! ;)
>>
>> It doesn't seem to exist but using bindings for FMOD you should
>> be able to access ASIO as an audio driver.
>
> If FMOD is that commercial sound lib then I'm not interested. I
> guess I'll have to try and write some type of asio lib when I get
> around to it. Hopefully it is not too difficult.
>

Re: Asio Bindings?

[Pie? via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 11:15:59 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote:

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 06:28:51 UTC, Pie? wrote:

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 04:52:50 UTC, Mithun Hunsur wrote:

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 04:02:36 UTC, Pie? wrote:
Does anyone know if there is any Asio bindings or direct D 
available that allows for IO?


Check out vibe.d: https://vibed.org/ - it includes a fairly 
complete implementation of asynchronous I/O, among other 
things.


Oh, lol, I should have mentioned I meant for audio! ;)


It doesn't seem to exist but using bindings for FMOD you should 
be able to access ASIO as an audio driver.


If FMOD is that commercial sound lib then I'm not interested. I 
guess I'll have to try and write some type of asio lib when I get 
around to it. Hopefully it is not too difficult.

Re: Asio Bindings?

[Guillaume Piolat via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 06:28:51 UTC, Pie? wrote:

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 04:52:50 UTC, Mithun Hunsur wrote:

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 04:02:36 UTC, Pie? wrote:
Does anyone know if there is any Asio bindings or direct D 
available that allows for IO?


Check out vibe.d: https://vibed.org/ - it includes a fairly 
complete implementation of asynchronous I/O, among other 
things.


Oh, lol, I should have mentioned I meant for audio! ;)


It doesn't seem to exist but using bindings for FMOD you should 
be able to access ASIO as an audio driver.

Re: Asio Bindings?

[Pie? via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 04:52:50 UTC, Mithun Hunsur wrote:

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 04:02:36 UTC, Pie? wrote:
Does anyone know if there is any Asio bindings or direct D 
available that allows for IO?


Check out vibe.d: https://vibed.org/ - it includes a fairly 
complete implementation of asynchronous I/O, among other things.


Oh, lol, I should have mentioned I meant for audio! ;)

Re: Asio Bindings?

[Mithun Hunsur via Digitalmars-d-learn]

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 at 04:02:36 UTC, Pie? wrote:
Does anyone know if there is any Asio bindings or direct D 
available that allows for IO?


Check out vibe.d: https://vibed.org/ - it includes a fairly 
complete implementation of asynchronous I/O, among other things.